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Die Gedanken sind frei -

der Verfasser dieses Liedes / Gedichtes soll angeblich unbekannt sein, es soll schon Ende des 18. Jahrhunderts nachweisbar sein.

Warum hat mir meine Mutter dann früher gesagt, der Straßenname meines Geburtshauses (Freiligrath-Straße)sei nach einem Dichter der Freiheitsbewegung aus dem 19. Jahrhundert benannt, von dem auch der Text für das Lied stammte: Die Gedanken sind frei ....

Inzwischen bin ich über 60 Jahre alt, für mich war der Autor des Liedtextes immer Ferdinand Freiligrath.

Kann es ein "Frühwerk" von ihm sein ?!

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.246.135.57 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 8 July, 2005 (UTC) (UTC)

Seems this should be translated, as it appears in an English-language section of Wikipedia. Allow me to try my hand:

"The author of this song/poem is supposedly unknown, and supposedly there is a record of its appearance around the end of the 18th centure."

Then why did my mother used to tell me that the street on which I was born (Freiligrath-Strasse) was named after a poet in the freedom movement from the 19th century, the same poet who wrote the text for the song "die Gedanken sind frei"?

Meanwhile I'm over 60 years old, and for me, the author of the text was always Ferdinand Freiligrath.

Might it be an "early work" of his?

Drkeithphd 17:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)drkeithphd[reply]

Actually thats nonsense. The song already existed when Freiligrath was born. The writer of the song is still unknown and we will probably never figure him out. ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.131.73.240 (talk • contribs) Tsaryu 21:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the lyrics to "Grillen mich plagen" sinc ethe "Willen verklagen" hardy appears in German songbooks and doesn't nake a lot of sense anyway. Let me know what you guys think. HyperrealORnot 22:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC) Some later versions indeed say "mit Willen verklagen" but in the 1842 version of the song pictured on the article it reads "mit Grillen so plagen". So I suggest to change it to "mit Grillen so plagen"! 89.50.29.89 (talk) 17:34, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edited the translation of Dietmar von Aist's quote. The word "leidig" means vexing (http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&p=tLMk.&search=leidig), it has nothing to do with "in the end". 12.47.185.242 22:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The word is ledig, not leidig. The meaning is "only thoughts are free". —Angr 16:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about a link to 'Freedom of speech'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.84.212.57 (talk) 17:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While I think the "Pulver und Blei" line at the end of the first verse fits really well, and makes sense, I've never heard a version of the song that includes it. I also notice it's not in the 1842 version of the song pictured on the article. Can anybody elaborate on this? Martinihenry (talk) 15:21, 25 February 2010 (UTC) In the 1842 version of the song pictured on the article it reads simply "Es bleibet dabei" instead of "Pluver und Blei" which may be a later version!? 89.50.29.89 (talk) 17:34, 4 September 2010 (UTC). this song was the anthem of my school (as of 2004) and there was no 'Pluver und Blei' either. also, the section about girls and wine was missing.. 188.134.8.72 (talk) 12:10, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The section about the wine and the girl is "usually" missing. I wonder why... (Note that this song is frequently taught in schools, etc.) In any case, if you don't want to sing "es bleibet dabei" twice, you have to sing "mit Pulver und Blei", and so it is usually done.--2001:A61:21C5:4901:752C:8262:14A1:1CA6 (talk) 23:46, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

An earlier attribution

http://www.liederprojekt.org/lied29164-Die-Gedanken-sind-frei.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.55.141 (talk) 18:09, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Urgently Needs a Better Translation in English

As noted in the article this profound thought is ancient and of the people. That this was the song of the White Rose resistance in Germany during World War II is of great significance. Unfortunately the literal translation that you give does not begin to impart the depth of its poetic feeling. The version that Pete Singer uses should be listed in this article. However that version in English existed years before he first sang it in public in the 1950's. I know because I learned it in the late 1940s. THOUGHTS ARE FREE = 1. Die Gedanken Sind Frei - My thoughts freely flower. Die Gedanken Sind Frei - My thoughts give me power. No scholar can map them - no hunter can trap them - No man can deny - Die Gedanken Sind Frei. 2. So I think as I please and this gives me pleasure. - My conscience decrees - this right I must treasure. My thoughts will not cater to duke or dictator. No man can deny. Die Gedanken Sind Frei. 3. If tyrants take me - and throw me in prison. My thoughts will burst free - like blossoms in season. Foundations may crumble - Great structures may tumble - and free men will cry - Die Gedanken Sind Frei. You can find this online under Pete Seeger and Die Gedanken Sind Frei. ````I am Margaret9Mary and wrote on Double Binds for Wikipedia in the early 2000s. I can't remember my password so take it like it is.