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Project News
By Lionelt
Last month's auspicious relaunch of our newsletter precipitated something of an uproar in the Wikipedia community. What started as a localized edit war over censorship spilled over onto the Administrator's Noticeboard finally ending up at Wikipedia's supreme judicial body ArbCom. Their ruling resulted in the admonishment of administrator Future Perfect at Sunrise for his involvement in the dispute. The story was reported by Wikipedia's venerable flagship newspaper The Signpost.
The question of whether to delete all portals--including the 27 Christianity-related portals--was put to the Wikipedia community. Approximately 400 editors have participated in the protracted discussion. Going by !votes, Oppose deletion has a distinct majority. The original Christianity Portal was created on November 5, 2005 by Brisvegas and the following year he successfully nominated the portal for Featured Portal. The Transhumanist has revived WikiProject Portals with hopes of revitalizing Wikipedia's system of 1,515 portals.
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Achievements
Four articles in the Project were promoted to GA: Edict of Torda nom. by Borsoka, Jim Bakker nom. by LovelyGirl7, Ralph Abernathy nom. by Coffee and Psalm 84 nom. by Gerda_Arendt. The Psalm ends with "O Lord of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee." Words to live by. Please support our members and send some WikiLove to the nominators!
Featured article
Nominated by Spangineer
Operation Auca was an attempt by five Evangelical Christian missionaries from the United States to make contact with the Huaorani people of the rainforest of Ecuador. The Huaorani, also known as the Aucas, were an isolated tribe known for their violence, both against their own people and outsiders who entered their territory. With the intention of being the first Protestants to evangelize the Huaorani, the missionaries began making regular flights over Huaorani settlements in September 1955, dropping gifts. After several months of exchanging gifts, on January 2, 1956, the missionaries established a camp at "Palm Beach", a sandbar along the Curaray River, a few miles from Huaorani settlements. Their efforts culminated on January 8, 1956, when all five—Jim Elliot, Nate Saint, Ed McCully, Peter Fleming, and Roger Youderian—were attacked and speared by a group of Huaorani warriors. The news of their deaths was broadcast around the world, and Life magazine covered the event with a photo essay. The deaths of the men galvanized the missionary effort in the United States, sparking an outpouring of funding for evangelization efforts around the world. Their work is still frequently remembered in evangelical publications, and in 2006, was the subject of the film production End of the Spear. (more...)
Did You Know
Nominated by Dahn
"... that, shortly after being sentenced to death for treason, Ioan C. Filitti became manager of the National Theatre Bucharest?"
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Project news
By Lionelt
Here are discussions relevant to the Project:
- Liberty University has an RFC regarding the university's relationship with President Trump; see discussion
- Is Genesis History? has an RFC regarding acceptability of movie reviews for inclusion; see discussion
- United States pro-life movement has a requested move to United States anti-abortion movement; see discussion
The following articles need reviewers for GA-class: Type of Constans nom. by Gog the Mild, Tian Feng (magazine) nom. by Finnusertop. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
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Did You Know
Nominated by Gonzonoir
... that in 1636, Phineas Hodson, Chancellor of York Minster, lost his 38-year-old wife Jane during the birth of the couple's 24th child?
Featured article
Nominated by Cliftonian
The Mortara case was a controversy precipitated by the Papal States' seizure of Edgardo Mortara, a six-year-old Jewish child, from his family in Bologna, Italy, in 1858. The city's inquisitor, Father Pier Feletti, heard from a servant that she had administered emergency baptism to the boy when he fell sick as an infant, and the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition held that this made the child irrevocably a Catholic. Because the Papal States had forbidden the raising of Christians by members of other faiths, it was ordered that he be taken from his family and brought up by the Church. After visits from the child's father, international protests mounted, but Pope Pius IX would not be moved. The boy grew up as a Catholic with the Pope as a substitute father, trained for the priesthood in Rome until 1870, and was ordained in France three years later. In 1870 the Kingdom of Italy captured Rome during the unification of Italy, ending the pontifical state; opposition across Italy, Europe and the United States over Mortara's treatment may have contributed to its downfall. (Full article...)
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Ichthus: July 2018
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The Top 7 report
By Lionelt
The big news was the marriage of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. The Top 7 most popular articles in WikiProject Christianity were:
- Elizabeth I of England – legendary monarch who ushered in the Elizabethan Era over the dead body of her half-sister (#5)
- Henry VIII of England – on his deathbed the last words of the king who founded the English Reformation were "Monks! Monks! Monks!"
- Martin Luther King Jr. – can't wait to see the new US$5 bill featuring the "I Have a Dream" speech
- Seven deadly sins – surprisingly "original research" is not one of the Seven deadly sins
- Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC)
- Michael Curry (bishop) – our article says that he upstaged Meghan at her wedding. Did you see her wedding pictures? All I can say is {{dubious}}
- Robert F. Kennedy – when informed that missiles were being installed in Cuba he famously quipped, "Can they hit Oxford, Mississippi?"
Did you know
Nominated by The C of E
... that the little-known 1758 Methodist hymn "Sun of Unclouded Righteousness" asks God to send the doctrine of the "Unitarian fiend ... back to hell", referring to both Islam and Unitarianism?
Our newest Featured list
Nominated by Freikorp
List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events. Predictions of apocalyptic events that would result in the extinction of humanity, a collapse of civilization, or the destruction of the planet have been made since at least the beginning of the Christian Era. Most predictions are related to Abrahamic religions, often standing for or similar to the eschatological events described in their scriptures. Christian predictions typically refer to events like the Rapture, Great Tribulation, Last Judgment, and the Second Coming of Christ.
Polls conducted in 2012 across 20 countries found over 14% of people believe the world will end in their lifetime, with percentages raging from 6% of people in France to 22% in the US and Turkey. In the UK in 2015, the general public believed the likeliest cause would be nuclear war, while experts thought it would be artificial intelligence. Between one and three percent of people from both countries thought the apocalypse would be caused by zombies or alien invasion. (more...)
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Delivered: 06:39, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
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thank you for your efforts to clean up Alleged corruption in the Catholic Church. Mannanan51 (talk) 21:22, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry I accidentally deleted the stuff
Hi, my edit wasn't vandalism, I just thought that was a useful category. The "snake person" thing was probably caused by a browser add-on that I forgot about. Qualiesin (talk) 04:36, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Krupabhishekam Convention deletion
Hi, thought you might be interested to see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Krupabhishekam Convention.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 00:41, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
LifeSiteNews RfC
Hi PluniaZ, I noticed that you started a discussion about LifeSiteNews at WP:RSN § RfC: LifeSiteNews, but you didn't add the {{rfc}} tag to designate the discussion as a request for comment. Could you please add the tag immediately under the section heading, and also include the applicable RfC categories? Alternatively, if you just want to start a plain discussion (and not an RfC), could you please remove the "RfC:" from the section heading? Thank you. — Newslinger talk 04:39, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Edit warring block
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. 
PluniaZ (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Per WP:BLPREMOVE, I have the right to remove material from a biography of a living person that is unsourced or poorly sourced, regardless of the 3RR rule. I explained on the talk page for Thomas Rosica and on The BLP Noticeboard why the material I removed is in some cases unsourced, and in other cases poorly sourced. --PluniaZ (talk) 20:31, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Accept reason:
It appears that the source, indeed, is generally viewed as less-than-reliable (though the RfC has yet to be closed, that does appear to be the trend), so invoking the BLP exemption has been accepted. For future reference, please invoke such exemptions in your edit summaries, or at the very least, your reports. El_C 20:43, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
You have failed to invoke the BLP exemption in your AN3 report. //Investigating. El_C 20:35, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
McCarrick
I made a dispute resolution request regarding the Wuerl paragraph as well as the paragraph regarding the impact of the McCarrick case here. Also, please respond to my talk page post regarding your removal of the content from the CNA article. Display name 99 (talk) 18:12, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
_The article about McCarrick is no more non-neutral about Wuerl. But with the rfc name99 decided to set up, you unfairly block every contribution in the article. Just a quick question : who decides when this rfc ends up ? You ? And when does come to an end ? In 2029 ? 2050 ?... 2100 ?
This is a real joke. Moreover my last contribution was well sourced and absolutely neutral. I didn't accuse Wuerl of anything. I only wrote he'd said he "forgot". So it does not fit in the subject of your RFC. It is true it's not justifyied to say Vigano's allegation are proved, because they're not. But the point of my contribution was not to affirm Vigano's allegations were true. I brought a merely factual element. I accept not to talk about the Washington Post accusation. But when Wuerl says he forgot, nobody is entitled to say it is a conflictual WP:NPOV to write down he did. Why deleting the "he asserted" ? It is clearer and neutral.
In deleting every new contribution in this section though it is unclear and not complete you're making an ABUSE OF POWER.
It's been lasting since May, and if you continue I will be bound to declare an Edit Warring.
109.62.69.38 (talk)Le Vernaculaire
- Multiple editors agreed to set up the RfC regarding McCarrick. Please read the Talk page at Talk:Theodore_Edgar_McCarrick#RfC_about_three_disputed_paragraphs. Per WP:RFC, "Edits to content under RfC discussion may be particularly controversial. Avoid making edits that others may view as unhelpful. Editing after others have raised objections may be viewed as disruptive editing or edit warring. Be patient; make your improvements in accord with consensus after the RfC is resolved." We would welcome your input at the RFC, available here: Talk:Theodore_Edgar_McCarrick#Request_for_Comment. --PluniaZ (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- The most important is what the reader sees (and not what the contributors know). When he reads "Vigano... informations Wuerl didn't have" (or something like that) it looks like it's crystal clear wuerl is out of cause. At least ~~PluniaZ, add a flag which allows the lambda reader to know there is a controversial debate about Wuerl's implication. Wikipedia is (too) often considered as Bible Truth by people. If there is a doubt, it should be clearly displayed.
- Thank you in advance.
- PluniaZ, there is a big problem of organization in Theodore Edgar McCarrick talk page. There seem to be several sections about Wuerl, and it's not clear. The page it too spacy, too long. Maybe some sections could be archived. For my part, I won't risk modifying anything on it. But you, you seem to be a "kinda" administrator of this page. So, if you were to sort it out : thanks.
- Here are some of the sections containing a discussion about the accusations against Wuerl :
- WP:NPOV and WP:BLP issues regarding statements about Cardinal Wuerl
- Issues regarding McCarrick's letters released on May 28, 2019
- Superfluous material in Vigano section
- Protected Edit Request
- RfC: Superfluous material in a biography of a living person that is not supported by the sources provided
- Protected Edit Request
- Three paragraphs
- RfC about three disputed paragraphs
...all that and more...etc.
- This cannot be read easily because there are too many different talks about the same problem. The least contributor who wants to edit about Wuerl(like me f.e) ignores he gets parachuted in the middle of a neverending battle.
Why not using a "structured discussion" to start settling this ? I suggest creating a bot which deletes any contribution in the Vigano Section for one year or more if necessary. And adding a kind of "Section Under RFC" flag (I don't exactly what flag is appropriate) is really URGENT. You could also unilaterally (it's faster this way¯\_(ツ)_/¯) to merge Vigano'spage and McCarrick's page because Vigano doesn't exist without the McCarrick Case.
- Good Job.
- Le Vernaculaire -- The concerns you raise need to be brought to the attention of the wider community. I recommend you start a new section on the talk page for Theodore Edgar McCarrick stating your concerns. You can also create a new section on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Catholicism or, if you really think this is important, on Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard. --PluniaZ (talk) 21:00, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Apparently the Dispute resolution board is not the appropriate place to deal with this. Display name 99 (talk) 02:55, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
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The sad news was the 2019 Sri Lanka Easter bombings. The Top 6 most popular articles about People in WikiProject Christianity were:
- Louis XIV of France – a monarch of the House of Bourbon who reigned as King of France. He did say, "Every time I appoint someone to a vacant position, I make a hundred unhappy and one ungrateful."
- Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC), Mary was found guilty of plotting to assassinate Elizabeth I of England in 1586, and was beheaded the following year.
- Elizabeth I of England – The Virgin Queen, Elizabeth was the last of the five monarchs of the House of Tudor who ushered in the Elizabethan Era, reversed re-establishment of Roman Catholicism by her half-sister.
- Henry VIII of England – King of England, He was an accomplished musician, author, and poet; his known piece of music is "Pastime with Good Company". He is often reputed to have written "Greensleeves" but probably did not. He had six marriages.
- Martin Luther King Jr. –" There are three urgent and indeed great problems that we face not only in the United States of America but all over the world today. That is the problem of racism, the problem of poverty and the problem of war."
- Billy Ray Cyrus – Having released 12 studio albums and 44 singles since 1992, he is best known for his number one single "Achy Breaky Heart", which became the first single ever to achieve triple Platinum status in Australia.
... that the first attempt to build the Holy Trinity Cathedral of the Alexander Nevsky Lavra resulted in the demolition of the nearly completed structure?
Saint Fin Barre's Cathedral is a Gothic Revival three-spire cathedral in the city of Cork, Ireland. It belongs to the Church of Ireland and was completed in 1879. The cathedral is located on the south side of the River Lee, on ground that has been a place of worship since the 7th century, and is dedicated to Finbarr of Cork, patron saint of the city. It was once in the Diocese of Cork; it is now one of the three cathedrals in the Church of Ireland Diocese of Cork, Cloyne and Ross, in the ecclesiastical province of Dublin. Christian use of the site dates back to a 7th-century AD monastery, which according to legend was founded by Finbarr of Cork. The entrances contain the figures of over a dozen biblical figures, capped by a tympanum showing a Resurrection scene.
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Third opinion
I have requested a third opinion regarding our disagreement at the Tobin article. Display name 99 (talk) 21:53, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- I have a question if you don't mind me asking. You seem like a faithful Catholic. Why do you desire to include material that reflects poorly on our bishops in Wikipedia articles? The bishops are the successors of the Apostles. We should be seeking to protect their good name and reputation. --PluniaZ (talk) 01:17, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
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A suicide attack on July 11th claimed by Islamic State (IS) near a church in the Syrian city of Qamishli shows that Christians remain a major target of the terror group. The Top 6 most popular articles about People in WikiProject Christianity were:
- Henry VIII of England – King of England, He was an accomplished musician, author, and poet; his known piece of music is "Pastime with Good Company". He is often reputed to have written "Greensleeves" but probably did not. He had six marriages.
- Elena Cornaro Piscopia – was a Venetian philosopher of noble descent who in 1678 became one of the first women to receive an academic degree from a university, and the first to receive a Doctor of Philosophy degree. In 1669, she translated the Colloquy of Christ by Carthusian monk Lanspergius from Spanish into Italian.
- Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC), Mary was found guilty of plotting to assassinate Elizabeth I of England in 1586, and was beheaded the following year.
- Bob Dylan – American singer-songwriter, author, and visual artist. " Take care of all your memories. For you cannot relive them."
- Elizabeth I of England – The Virgin Queen, Elizabeth was the last of the five monarchs of the House of Tudor who ushered in the Elizabethan Era, reversed re-establishment of Roman Catholicism by her half-sister.
- Billy Ray Cyrus – Having released 12 studio albums and 44 singles since 1992, he is best known for his number one single "Achy Breaky Heart", which became the first single ever to achieve triple Platinum status in Australia.
... that The Vision of Dorotheus is one of the earliest examples of Christian hexametric poetry?
When God Writes Your Love Story: The Ultimate Approach to Guy/Girl Relationships is a 1999 book by Eric and Leslie Ludy, an American married couple. After becoming a bestseller on the Christian book market, the book was republished in 2004 and then revised and expanded in 2009. It tells the story of the authors' first meeting, courtship, and marriage. The authors advise single people not to be physically or emotionally intimate with others, but to wait for the spouse that God has planned for them.
The book is divided into five sections and sixteen chapters. Each chapter is written from the perspective of one of the two authors; nine are by Eric, while Leslie wrote seven, as well as the introduction. The Ludys argue that one's love life should be both guided by and subordinate to one's relationship with God. Leslie writes that God offers new beginnings to formerly unchaste or sexually abused individuals.
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McCarrick archive?
This may be in the wrong section: ...As the Talk page is now over 165K bytes, I was going to archive the first 13 entries which do not seem to pertain to the present on-going discussion. -I even practiced on my Talk page. However, I am a bit unsure of that part of the directions that state: "4.Paste the clipboard contents into this archive and add
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to the top and bottom of the code." Firstly what is meant by "code" -I fear I'm dating myself here -and it looked a bit dumb. Is the Archive template supposed to go on the top and bottom of the page? -the relatively computer illiterate Manannan67 (talk) 06:30, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
- I have no idea about these sorts of things. You might want to ask our favorite Wiki gnome, User:JoeHebda. --PluniaZ (talk) 15:53, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
- Greetings, Firstly McCarrick mentioned is a disambig page. Archiving is something I'm very not-familiar with. So I can only refer you to Help:Archiving a talk page and Archive basics. By way of example, from my own talk page.
{{Talk header}}
{{Archive basics
|archive = User talk:JoeHebda/Archive %(counter)d
|counter = 2019}}
{{Archived annually}}
For the talk page you want to archive, add something like this (or a variation). Or if you ask at WP:Teahouse someone there may be better able to help you. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 18:14, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Post-Vatican II Mass
I have removed your "proposed deletion" tag from Post-Vatican II Mass. See Talk page. Bealtainemí (talk) 06:26, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Request for arbitration declined
The request for arbitration James Martin (priest, born 1960) has been declined by the committee. The arbitrators' comments about the request can be viewed here. SQLQuery me! 04:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Notice of Dispute resolution noticeboard discussion
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- I explained why I made the edit you recently reverted on the dispute resolution page.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 02:33, 27 August 2019 (UTC)