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Assessment discussion

This article is closer to a stub by length standards on Wikipedia; however, it is well written and referenced so it could be classed a "start" class. It falls short of B class as not useful to all readers. To whit, it does not have any information on physical plant, architecture, natural setting, access. A map and or photo would be very helpful to illustrate some of these elements. Feralfeline 01:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Photos have been added. July 29, 2019 Liza Zimmerman (talk) 21:57, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Files used on this page have been nominated for speedy deletion

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Commons files used on this page have been nominated for speedy deletion Sections merged ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:41, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page have been nominated for speedy deletion:

You can see the reasons for deletion at the file description pages linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 00:21, 13 July 2019 (UTC) It is photo on Flickr that Morgan Beard and the winery own. Liza Zimmerman (talk) ~[reply]

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I am a journalist and I have been editing and correcting the Duckhorn page. I am being paid to do this, which I disclosed on my page weeks ago. The changes are needed to make the page accurate and all of them are referenced to current articles in respected publications. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 17:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The {{request edit}} template is not necessary to make the disclosure itself, only for proposed changes to the article. I've added the disclosure to the top of the talk page. Regards,  Spintendo  21:09, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Example request

I'm being paid by Duckhorn Vineyards to edit this article. This is about the following edits: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Duckhorn_Vineyards&diff=909053452&oldid=908910880


Request 1, not specific enough

Heading changed from duplicate "Edits by Liza Zimmerman" ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:40, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request lacks specificity: We can't just reinstate all changes at once, as at very least a part of them clearly lack the neutrality required in an encyclopedia. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:57, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.


I am being paid to correct errors on the Duckhorn page . This is about the following edits:

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Duckhorn_Vineyards&diff=909053452&oldid=908910880

I was asked by the winery to correct errors and add important additional information. The page did not list the founder's wife, Margaret, who also founded it with him, nor the wines that they currently produce. It also does not contain current information about employees, key data about who owns the winery or up-to-date pics.

All the original info is listed here (and documented by a variety of sources):

sure; I think they all should be visible here: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Duckhorn_Vineyards&oldid=908910880

"Can we please reinstate these changes? Thanks. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 18:23, 21 August 2019 (UTC)"[reply]

At least some of the proposed changes clearly lack the neutrality we expect in an encyclopedia. See my answer to the section below. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:38, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request 2, neutrality disputed

Heading added, old heading converted to bold text ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:54, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Liza Zimmerman

Greetings. I have made a number of corrections to this page that have been removed. I discussed from the start that I am a journalist being paid by Duckhorn to correct errors.

These are the changes I would like to make:

Duckhorn Vineyards is a winery outside St. Helena, California, which is part of the Duckhorn Wine Company portfolio which consists of eight wineries: Duckhorn Vineyards, Decoy [5], Goldeneye, Migration [6][7], Paraduxx, Canvasback, Calera and Kosta Browne.[8]

See published sources below: 

"Decoy 2014 Cabernet Sauvignon (Sonoma County)". 2017-01-02.
"Migration".
"Wine Review Online - A Quest for Cool-Climate Chardonnay".
"Schiller-wine: The Wines of Duckhorn Vineyards, Napa Valley, US". 2010-04-16.


Dan and Margaret Duckhorn founded Duckhorn Vineyards together in 1976, with the purchase of a 10 acres (4.0 ha) property off of Lodi Lane, in St. Helena.[9] The first vintage of Duckhorn was crafted by founding winemaker Tom Rinaldi,[10] and included 800 cases of Three Palms' Vineyard Merlot and 800 cases of Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon. Duckhorn released its first Sauvignon Blanc in 1982. [11]

Sources: Valley, US". 2010-04-16. 

"Wine Ink: A new flight path — Duckhorn takes a turn".
"Duckhorn's Alex Ryan on navigating a changing Napa Valley wine industry".
"1982 Duckhorn Vineyards Merlot, Napa Valley, USA".

Founder Dan Duckhorn, a Santa Rosa native and Berkeley graduate, toured the Pomerol and Saint-Émilion regions in the Bordeaux region of France in the mid-1970s with Ric Forman,[12] who as winemaker of Sterling Vineyards had introduced vintage-dated Merlot wine to California. He returned to California with his then-wife Margaret to promote a new market for Merlot. They founded Duckhorn Vineyards in 1976.[12]The first vintage of Duckhorn was crafted by founding winemaker Tom Rinaldi and included 800 cases of Three Palms Vineyard Merlot and 800 cases of Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon.[13] Using grapes from Marlee’s Vineyard at Lodi Lane, Duckhorn released its first Sauvignon Blanc in 1982.[14]

Beginning in 1988, Duckhorn purchased seven estate vineyards on Howell Mountain and the valley floor,[15] for a total of 168 acres (68.0 ha) in Napa Valley, and four vineyards totaling 153 acres (61.9 ha) in the Anderson Valley, Mendocino County.[12]

In 1981, Alex Ryan began working at the winery while on summer vacation from high school [10]. After completing the viticulture program at Fresno State in 1988[16], Ryan wwas brought on to work in the cellar, the vineyard and the office.[10] Alex Ryan worked his way up the ranks to President and CEO of Duckhorn Wine Company[17].

Duckhorn wines have also been enjoyed at the White House; President Barack Obama served Duckhorn Napa Valley Sauvignon Blanc and Goldeneye Anderson Valley Pinot Noir at the official inaugural luncheon, in January 2009. [18]

In July, 2007, GI Partners, a private equity firm, purchased a controlling interest in Duckhorn Wine Company and with it Duckhorn's various brands and operations[19] at a valuation believed to exceed $250 million.[12][20] The company was sold to another private equity firm, TSG Consumer Partners, in 2016.[21]

Sources: 

James Laube & Daniel Sogg (July 31, 2007). "New investor takes control of Duckhorn Wine Co". Wine Spectator. Retrieved 2007-07-06.
"Duckhorn Three Palms Merlot Worth The Splurge".
"2015 Duckhorn Napa Valley Sauvignon Blanc (375ml) - SKU".
"Continuing the Tradition". Retrieved 2007-07-06.
"Impact Napa Conference 2014: Alex Ryan, Duckhorn Wine Company". 2014-08-25.
"The story behind Duckhorn's big win".
"Duckhorn, Korbel served at official Obama inaugural lunch". 2009-01-21.
Steve Heimoff (July 2007). "Duckhorn Wine Company sells controlling share". Wine Enthusiast. Retrieved 2007-08-01.
Jon Bonné (2007-08-01). "Napa Valley stunner - famed winery sold". San Francisco Chronicle. Retrieved 2007-08-01.
Quackenbush, Jeff (April 15, 2019). "Duckhorn Wine CEO: Planning for luxury market after boomers, coping with new Napa County regulations". North Bay Business Journal.

Production Duckhorn Vineyards produces several single-vineyard Merlots and Cabernet Sauvignons, as well as a Sauvignon Blanc. Today, Duckhorn Vineyards is the most-recognized producer of Merlot in Napa Valley. [22] The winery has been focusing on producing classic, full-bodied, food-friendly and age-worthy Napa Valley wines. [23]

Winemaker Renée Ary is Duckhorn’s fourth winemaker in four decades.[24] Her approach to winemaking is one that balances artistry and science with a deep respect for the viticultural side.[25] According to Ary, “My job is to let the vineyards speak and convey the soul of the wine.” [26] She does upwards of 60 individual fermentations of each vintage just to make six Merlots, underlying the variety of the sourced fruit and the complexity of the finished wines. [27] The Napa Valley Chardonnay is 90% barrel fermented, went through just 45% malolactic fermentation, and was aged in 40% new French oak. [28]

Sources: 

"Duckhorn Vineyards and the Unusual Triumph of Merlot in Napa Valley".
"Interview with a Winemaker: Renée Ary, Duckhorn Vineyards". 2015-03-25.
"Women Winemakers of California and Beyond |Renée Ary".
"Duckhorn Vineyards".
"Women of an Influential Nature". 2015-01-21.
"Duckhorn Vineyards and the Unusual Triumph of Merlot in Napa Valley".
"Interview with Renee Ary, Head Winemaker at Duckhorn Vineyards".

Three Palms Vineyard Duckhorn Vineyards has been producing wine from the Three Palms Vineyard since their inaugural vintage, in 1978.[29] California Wine Advisors' Ric Forman of Sterling Vineyards introduced the Duckhorns to the owner of this vineyard, brothers John and Sloan Upton, as Forman was producing a reserve Merlot off the Three Palms Vineyard site. Napa Wine Project [30]. In the late 1800s, San Francisco socialite Lillie Hitchcock Coit, of Coit Tower fame, owned this site and planted the now-famous three palms around her wine country vacation home. [31] In 1967, the Upton brothers purchased the land and began planting vine on it the following year. The Three Palms Vineyard site features rocky, alluvial soils that are covered in volcanic stones. [32][29] Fast forward to 2015, when Duckhorn Vineyards acquired the Three Palms Vineyard from Sloan and John Upton. [33]

Awards Duckhorn was voted the winemaker of the year by the San Francisco Chronicle in 2005. [34] In 2005, the San Francisco Chronicle also proclaimed Dan Duckhorn its winemaker of the year and named four of his wines to its list of the "Top 100 Wines of 2005."[35]

In 2017, the winery received Wine Spectator's Wine of the Year Award in 2017, for their Three Palms' Vineyard Merlot.[36] Dan Duckhorn was named Mr. Merlot by The New York Times.[37]

In 2018, Dan Duckhorn was voted wine executive of the year, by the Wine Enthusiast.[38]

Sources: Vineyards". 

"Duckhorn acquires storied Three Palms Vineyard".
"Launching Bordeaux-Style Wines in the Napa Valley: Sterling Vineyards, Newton Vineyard, and Forman Vineyard".
"Merlot's Quiet Comeback" (PDF).
"Duckhorn Vineyards, United States, California, St Helena | Kazzit US Wineries & International Winery Guide".
"Duckhorn buys Three Palms Vineyard in Napa Valley". 2015-05-13.
"WINEMAKER OF THE YEAR / DUCKHORN TAKES WING / And the winner is... Dan Duckhorn and his winemakers wow our tasters with a flock of great wines". 2005-12-08.
"WINEMAKER OF THE YEAR / DUCKHORN TAKES WING / And the winner is... Dan Duckhorn and his winemakers wow our tasters with a flock of great wines". 2005-12-08.
"Wine No. 1 in Wine Spectator's Top 100 of 2017".
Prial, Frank J. (1998-05-20). "Wine Talk; when in Doubt, They Just Say Merlot". The New York Times.
"Wine Industry Awards: Alex Ryan, Duckhorn Wine Co". 2017-12-04.

All of the sources are respected publications and authors. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 18:12, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liza Zimmerman, thank you very much for the request.
Sadly, in this unmodified form that was correctly already reverted from the article, the request can not be fully implemented. This is due to a clear lack of the neutrality we expect in an encyclopedia.
Unacceptably promotional examples:
  • Her approach to winemaking is one that balances artistry and science with a deep respect for the viticultural side.
  • According to Ary, “My job is to let the vineyards speak and convey the soul of the wine.”
  • (…), underlying the variety of the sourced fruit and the complexity of the finished wines.
These three sentences can never be added to a neutral article without compromising its neutrality so strongly that not even the best references could fix the issue. These three sentences will never be added to the article; please do not request these specific changes to be made again.
I do not yet have a comment on the (larger, more neutral) rest of the request. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 08:06, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Photo reinstatement requests

Ticket number from photographer to use photo

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(Redacted)

As far as I can see, the picture (File:Dan Duckhorn.png) has been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and the permission e-mail has been reviewed and accepted. No further action is required. Regards, decltype (talk) 17:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Picture removal

Heading changed from "Liza Zimmerman's edits" and converted to subheading ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:49, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Request help

I put the winery picture on the Duckhorn page and it was taken down? Why? It was approved yesterday and we have the rights to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liza Zimmerman (talk • contribs) 20:57, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Without including the filename here on the talk page, other editors are prevented from investigating whether the image has been approved or not by OTRS. The COI editor is also asked to remember to sign the end of all posts on talk pages using four tildes. Regards,  Spintendo  01:32, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Liza Zimmerman's edits Liza Zimmerman (talk) 01:41, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Heading coverted to bold text ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"{{request edit}}"Liza Zimmerman (talk) 01:41, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I put the winery picture on the Duckhorn page and it was taken down? Why? It was approved yesterday and we have the rights to it. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 01:41, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]


As far as I can see, the picture (File:Dan Duckhorn.png) has been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and the permission e-mail has been reviewed and accepted. No further action is required. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 01:41, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please advise. Thanks. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 01:41, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately the email queue that deals with these permission emails is backlogged, and it will take some time until the relevant emails will be acted on. Please be patient. Huon (talk) 02:01, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed a request below that was pretty much a duplicate of this one. The answer remains the same. And no, asking daily won't make the volunteers who process the permission emails work any faster. Huon (talk) 23:29, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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