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@Saqiwa: As explained in WP:SCHOLARSHIP, academic papers, such as a thesis, can sometimes be cited as sources for Wikipedia articles, but generally only when they've been published in peer-reviewed journals or have received coverage in secondary sources; the papers themselves are for the most part considered to be primary sources which means they need to be used very carefully. Claims made in such papers are for the most part considered to be original research until they've been covered in secondary sources or otherwise vetted for accuracy.

I'm not sure what your trying to cite with this link, but it looks like a pdf file named File:Archeological Investigation of Vatanitawake -A Ceremonial Mound on the Island of Bau, Fiji Islands..pdf that you or someone else uploaded to Wikipedia. That file was deleted by an administrator named Explicit; so, you can ask him about it if you want to know why. However, files of scans/copies of reliable sources don't need to be uploaded to Wikipedia as long as the original source is considered to be reliable for Wikipedia's purposes; for example, an old newspaper article can be cited per WP:SAYWHERE as long as it's from a reliable source and is used in proper context even if it's not available online. I'm not an administrator so I cannot see the pdf file you uploaded, but perhaps maybe you can clarify what it is and where it came from (i.e. a newspaper, magazine, journal, etc.). If it's a public or private document which has been WP:PUBLISHED, then at the very best it would be considered a primary source and have limited use; on the other hand, if it's never been published or is otherwise user-generated content, then it wouldn't be acceptable for Wikipedia. --Marchjuly (talk) 05:24, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Marchjuly: Thanks for justifying the removal of the Vatanitawake Archaeological report, however, I cannot help but feel the inconsistencies of certain Wikipedia editors. What about the removal of the Fiji Times article of Nov 13th, 1985 on the traditional title of Roko Tui Bau- Ratu Joni Madraiwiwi's installation in Bau with the photo of the Minister for Fijian Affairs Adi Samanunu Cakobau and Dr Ratu Wilisoni Tuiketei Malani's inside the traditional Vatanitawake temple? My point is that the Vatanitawake Archaelogical Report which contained the details (on pg 103) of the Tui Viti sacred stone title or Tawake being kept at the foundation of the Vatanitawake sacred temple by Vueti, the 1st Roko Tui Bau and the Nov 13th, 1985 -Fiji Times article on how Ratu Wilisoni Tuiketei Malani as the original eldest lineage (Gonesau) of Vueti, the 1st Roko Tui Bau and the Ancient Monarchy of Fiji- Tui Viti. It is important to report such authority/approval/endorsement/etc. so that wikipedia readers, especially the younger generation of Fiji will understand the logic behind ancient traditional authority and protocols that were not reported well (not accurately) by Fiji's main stream media as well as early Christian missionaries during Ratu Cakobau's time. Fiji historians and missionaries reported that the title of the Monarchy of Fiji-Tui Viti were self styled in the mid 1800s by Ratu Cakobau or his father Ratu Tanoa, which is incorrect. The Monarchy of Fiji or Tui Viti title was a genuine traditional title and descendants are still alive today. Fiji is currently under a lot of political and economical challenges with significant external forces that continue to support miscommunication and suppression of ancient traditional authorities and the rule of law. There were reasons for the ancient traditional lineage for supporting the latter traditional authority but recently, this support has become more abused.The right has become more wrong and the wrong has become more right. I would have thought that my contributions to wikipedia would have contributed to my intentions to correct the miscommunications, that are politically and commercially motivated but frustratingly, the editing rules has convinced my heart to move away. This will be my last contribution to wikipedia. I say this with a good heart as I do not want to be a point of continued disagreements with fellow wikipedia editors. Saqiwa (talk) 05:17, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]