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Editing a Wikipedia Table

Hi Folks,

I came across this wiki page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_model#Economics and within the table, a company called 'Sauce Labs' is described as the leading company for Selenium (an open-source project). That being said, the citation used - https://www.battery.com/powered/boss-index-tracking-explosive-growth-open-source-software/ clearly mentions BrowserStack and Sauce Labs. Could you guide me to the best way of incorporating 'BrowserStack' into the table? I am a novice and want to be cautious as there is also a conflict of interest (I work for BrowserStack).

Thank you in advance for removing the time to reply.

WP:PinkLock

Hey, so it might just be me being new but can someone explain WP:Pinklock? i'm not finding the page on wp:protect helpful :/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stainless Steel Stalinism (talk • contribs) 08:23, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Which part of the section at WP:PINKLOCK don't you understand? --David Biddulph (talk) 09:00, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

​Template protection is used for templates that are used on a large number of pages, as templates both employ rather complex wikicode, and are present on many pages, meaning it is both easy to break the templates, and that breaking the templates can cause a lot of damage. (additionally, as they are used on a lot of pages, the process for gaining consensus is more comprehensive) ~~ OxonAlex - talk 12:21, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Ahhhh, that explains a lot, thanks Stainless Steel Stalinism (talk) 17:19, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Plectranthus esculentus

I have just completed my first ever edition on a plant. I added Zulu names for the plant. It seems another editor has blanked out my edition, with the comment that: the edition is not constructive and a further comment to seek help.

I have no idea what would constitute a constructive edition in this particular instance.

Thank you Mofotox — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mafotox (talk • contribs) 17:04, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Mafotox, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a collaborative project, and editors often disagree about what is appropriate. This doesn't mean that they are right, (or that you are right): it just means that the two of you disagree. When that happens, the thing to do is to engage with the editor who reverted you, and try to reach consensus: usually on the talk page Talk:Plectranthus esculentus. Make sure you Ping the other editor, so that they know you have opened a discussion. See BRD for how this is supposed to work. --ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Mafotox I'll expand on ColinFine's excellent advice by adding that there were several issues with the info you added. The info was put in the lede, without any indication of why it was important enough to be there. The info was poorly formatted, and the sourcing wasn't included. I took a look at the article, and besides the fact that the plant is native to Africa, I don't see why the Zulu words for this plant would be important to a reader's understanding. Don't be discouraged though - there's a lot of info that is missing - you can always engage on the talk page to get advice before editing. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:35, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Mafotox: The post calling it unconstructive was reverted by the same editor a minute later.[1] This usually indicates the post was made by mistake and should be ignored. Many editors use tools where they can select a standard message with a single click. Maybe they misclicked. But note that you are at https://en.wikipedia.org where "en" means the English Wikipedia. Names in foreign languages should usually not be included here unless it's the official name in the language of a subject, e.g. a city or organization. There are Wikipedia editions in hundreds of other languages including Zulu at https://zu.wikipedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:46, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

A Study in Afrikaans about Opera Librettos

Good evening I don't want so much to edit as publish. I am busy with a study about intertextuality and intermediality as illustrated in a few world-famous operas. It is still a work in progress. At the moment it is written in Afrikaans, but I am willing to submit it both in Afrikaans and English once it is finished. What is my next step?

Sincerely Dr Anna-Marie le Roux, Windhoek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anna-Marie le Roux (talk • contribs) 19:26, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place to publish your research. See WP:OR and WP:NOT. RudolfRed (talk) 19:33, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Question about content

Hi there, long time reader first time editor, I have a question about content. Sometimes I will come across an article that is relatively short (say 5-7 paragraphs) but overwhelmed by a LOT of very specific details about a particular event that is only a small piece of the article. For example let's say I had a 5 paragraph article on myself, and 1 full paragraph was devoted to some relatively unimportant things I did in summer of 2013. It's all correct and accurate, but it doesn't make sense to have that much focus. What is wikipedia's policy on balanced weighting of content in articles? 2001:4898:80E8:B:4E7D:5F96:FCD8:FC94 (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

The relevant policy is WP:BALANCED and WP:BALASP. Ruslik_Zero 19:51, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Many Wikipedia articles have undue emphasis on certain aspects of a subject, generally because the editor has only managed to find sources which emphasize a subset of the topic, or because an editor has expounded on their preferred aspect of a subject. This reduces the usefulness of the article. Feel free to make edits which achieve a more balanced coverage of an article's subject, either through additions or removals of material.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:37, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

electric cars

Battery trays for electric cars are the future of electric cars. That is assuming that governments of the world can co ordinate the manufacturing process. Battery trays, of various sizes would be available at " service stations." Cars would have tray "slots" where a new , fully-charged battery could be inserted in a matter of a few minutes. The car owner would never own a tray. A simple and effective way to eliminate most current issues with electric cars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.234.227 (talk) 19:59, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure this is a great idea, but the Teahouse is for questions about editing Wikipedia, and Wikipedia isn't the right place for publishing your ideas. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 20:20, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

How does one obtain control over an article/Pending review of an edit

I just encountered something that I never encountered before. An edit that is pending review. How does one obtain control over an article to the extent that they have authority to review and approve edits.I asked the question on the articles talk page, but ask it here as well.Oldperson (talk) 21:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

• As for your first query, one does not. Wikipedia is a communal project, built on the principle that anyone can edit and ameliorate it, and as such, you cannot assert ownership or control over an article, even one you have written. The reason you have an edit which appears to be pending review is because the article you are trying to edit, Assault rifle, is subject to pending changes protection. As you are an extended-confirmed user, you can edit such pages without requiring review acceptance, but edits can be held up occasionally by a backlog of pending changes which required review, but your edit is visible, and in most cases, as you will see from the edit history of the article in question, is automatically accepted. In order to have the right to review pending changes, you need to be a pending changes reviewer, a right afforded automatically to administrators, or which can be requested here, provided you have a suitable rationale. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 22:22, 27 September 2019 (UTC).
  • Oldperson, articles that have had long term vandalism, especially of the BLP-violating variety, sometimes are put on pending-changes protection. In no way does this give "one person" control of the article. What would make you think that? There is an advanced permission called "Pending change reviewer", which has a minimum requirement to apply (6 months/500 mainspace edits), and review of your edits will be done prior to granting it. Someone who holds that permission (there are many) must review the edit prior to its publication. This is to protect the encyclopedia from libel claims. John from Idegon (talk) 22:30, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Stormy Clouds and John from Idegon:Thanks to both for educating me. For John you asked why would I think that one person has control over the article, but the link to pending changes reviewer is just that. One person, the reviewer, has control over what edits are published. Is it not so? Other than that I do see the need to protect important articles from vandalism and WP from law suits.Oldperson (talk) 22:39, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

The pending changes reviewer doesn't have control over the article per se; they only determine whether the edits they review are in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines. Editors tend to get granted pending changes reviewer rights only when they are deemed to have a pretty good grasp of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and have shown they know how to apply them through their own editing. This doesn't mean that they never make mistakes, and if they do the "mistake" can be discussed on the article's talk page. So, if one of your pending edits is not approved, then the first thing to do is probably try and understand why; assume that it might actually be possible that there was something about the edit which was amiss. Check to see if an edit summary was given explaining why; most pending changes reviewers will leave an edit summary when an edit is declined. So, if you do that bit of self-assessment and you still don't understand why the edit wasn't accepted, you can ask for clarification on the article's talk page. You could post something on the reviewer's talk page, but it's better to discuss such things on the article's talk page because it makes it easier for others interested in the subject to know about the discussion and participate in it; you can then either ping or otherwise advise the reviewer of the discussion. You are now in the process of Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and things will be resolve through consensus. If the consensus turns out to be that the edit was OK, it will be made; if not, it won't. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Oldperson: There is not just "one person". There are many editors with PCR rights. Any of them can review pending changes on any such protected article. Any of them can review and revert changes that have been accepted by others, as well as make contributions of their own. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 17:02, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Permission error when trying to upload company logo

Hi,

Am trying to upload a company logo in preparation for a new article. But I get an error message when trying to do so.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_company, I follow the link in "Upload a wordmark/logo graphic using the organization logo upload form."

Which consistently gives the following error:

Permission error

You do not have permission to upload this file, for the following reason:

The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Autoconfirmed users, Administrators, Confirmed users.

Any ideas?

Vapor57 (talk) 22:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Vapor57: - as the error message indicates, you don't presently have the required permissions to upload a logo to Wikipedia, as you are not autoconfirmed. The criteria for autoconfirmation are that you have an account which is at least four days old, and have made at least 10 edits. As such, your account, with the prerequisite number of edits under your belt, will become auto-confirmed once your account is more than four days old. You will be notified when this occurs, and at this point you can upload the logo, provided it follows fair use. Stormy clouds (talk) 22:30, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

• • Vapor57, you cannot upload a fair use image without a target article in the encyclopedia. So at this point, you've got the cart ahead of the horse. Without fair use, it's likely inadvisable to upload a copyrighted logo. To do it in another way, it would have to be licensed in a manner that would remove the copyright owner's control of it. John from Idegon (talk) 22:38, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks both, that answers my question. Vapor57 (talk) 23:33, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

How do you make a reference?

I noticed that there are a lot of references and I’m very curious on how you make a reference — Preceding unsigned comment added by Japan Airlines Flight 123 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Japan Airlines Flight 123. Welcome to the Teahouse. See WP:Referencing for beginners. If you have questions about that, feel free to ask. John from Idegon (talk) 22:44, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Days ago, on your own Talk page, you were advised to stop using this User name. Please comply. David notMD (talk) 02:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

New page

How do I upload a page from my sandbox to live on Wikipedia?

Extended content

Col Bishop (photographer} Colin Francis Bishop is a Brisbane based Australian photographer originally from the UK, born 8th July 1962. Early Years He was born in the UK and grew up in various locations as his father was a Royal Navy Officer, this includes overseas postings. He arrived in Australia in January 1977 after his father transferred to the Royal Australian Navy. The family lived in Nowra, New South Wales. Career He joined the Australian Army in 1982 and after initial training was allocated to the Infantry. At the completion of his training he was posted to the 3rd Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment which was converting to a Parachute Infantry Battalion. He did various parachute courses eventually becoming a Parachute Jump Instructor, resulting in a posting to the Parachute Training School. He was medically discharged due to injuries in 2008 and has since completed many surgeries mostly on his back. Photographer After leaving the Army, he took up photography again after a 20 year gap. His main interests are landscape, wildlife and architectural photography; however, he also conduct portrait and wedding photography. He has been invited to display his work in New York in the past. External Links

Charlie Bravo Photography http://farm6.clik.com/CBP/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Col Bishop (talk • contribs) 23:34, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Col Bishop. You already asked about this above at Wikipedia:Teahouse#New page, and an answer was given. Please refer to that thread for reference. In general, you don't need to start a new thread each time you post about the same thing at the Teahouse; most of the time, your initial post will have been responded to by time you decide to post again, but, even if it hasn't, it's OK to add another question to the original post if you want further clarification. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:44, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hid the draft of the article, which does not belong in Teahouse. David notMD (talk) 02:16, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Finding my place

I recently completed the Wikipedia Adventure,I really enjoyed it I was wondering. What are some other ways someone can contribute to Wikipedia, besides just editing articles?SkyRobin (talk) 23:59, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi SkyRobin. You might find some suggestions in Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia, but in general anything you do that helps contribute to building Wikipedia will be appreciated. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:02, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you User:Marchjuly for showing me this! I will look over thisSkyRobin (talk) 00:48, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi SkyRobin. You might want to check out Wikipedia:Maintenance where help are always needed. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk)

Contacting an Editor

Hello new user here. I found an article of interest to me and want to explore it further. Is there any way to directly contact an editor so that I may learn more? Thanks in advanceThomasMüllerUglyAF (talk) 02:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@ThomasMüllerUglyAF: You can contact anyone via their talk page. LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 02:34, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, ThomasMüllerUglyAF. Your question is unclear. Do you want to know more about editing Wikipedia? There are some very helpful links posted on your Talk page. If you need further help with Wikipedia, just ask again here at the Teahouse or at the Help desk.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:41, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Quisqualis: For your clarification, I think he/she is asking about how to reach out to another editor for information about a topic. LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 03:13, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

If I understand you correctly, you want to talk to whoever wrote the article. This is usually several people, and they may be inactive. At the top of the article, (on a laptop or in desktop view) click "View history". Here you see the editors involved. Click "talk" for the one you want to talk to, then "New section" on their talkpage and start writing. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:23, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@ThomasMüllerUglyAF: looking towards the bottom of an article is also a good idea. There you will find all the references used to create that page. Following these is really the best way to find out more about any given topic. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:33, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

How can I create a new page?

Wondering how I can submit a page for review by more qualified editors. Is it the Sandbox? ContentWizard (talk) 10:16, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

ContentWizard, welcome to the Teahouse! Userspace is a good way. See Help:Userspace draft, Wikipedia:So you made a userspace draft and Help:Your first article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:03, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Common advice to new editors (often ignored) is to gain experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create a new article. When a draft is submitted via Articles for Creation it goes to a review by editors with new article review experience. Submissions that are declined (with comments on why) can be revised and resubmitted, but sometimes the comment is that the topic does appear to meet Wikipedia's concept of encyclopedic notability, and no amount of revision will make it so. My advice is to look for articles similar in topic to what you want to create in order to learn what is needed as per content and referencing. David notMD (talk) 12:37, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you.ContentWizard (talk) 14:12, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

बुवाजी बुवा महाराज संस्थान, रोशनपुरी

रोशनपुरी हे बीड जिल्ह्यात माजलगाव तालुक्यातील सिंधफना नदीतीरावर वासलेलं एक तिर्थक्षेत्र आहे.

येथे श्रीसंत बुवाजीबुवा महाराज यांची समाधी असून पंचक्रोशीतील भाविकांचे श्रद्धास्थान आहे. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sukhdev Tekale (talk • contribs) 15:22, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

To whom it may concern - Goggle translation

Buajaji Buva Maharaj Institute, Roshanpuri

Roshanpuri is a pilgrimage situated on the river Sindfana in Majalgaon taluka in Beed district.

Here is the mausoleum of Sreesanth Bujajibuwa Maharaj and a tribute to the devotees of Panchkroshi.

Sukhdev Tekale Hello, This is English Wikipedia and we use English as the main language for communication. For Marathi Wikipedia, please go to Here. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 15:38, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

How to Change Page Title?

Hello, How to change page title cause I seems one page title is wrong I.e. middle name is invalid. How to correct same? Can you help me same...

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppch83 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Ppch83: To change the title, there is a drop down next to the button that says Edit source. Click it, then you will see a button that says Move. Type in the new title of the page, then press Move Page. If you are unable to do that, you can request that someone else move it at WP:RMTR. Interstellarity (talk) 16:30, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Change title

Hi, How to request someone else from any edit? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppch83 (talk • contribs) 12:44, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Ppch83 and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm kind of confused about what exactly your question is, can you provide some clarification on what you're looking for or need help with? Clovermoss (talk) 17:52, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Afrikaans Wikipedia

How do I join the Afrikaans version of Wikipedia. I also want to publish there. Anna-Marie le Roux — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anna-Marie le Roux (talk • contribs) 17:37, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Anna-Marie le Roux and welcome to the Teahouse! Here is the link to the Wikipedia you're looking for: https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuisblad. You don't have to do anything else to join, as you can use the same account for each language version of Wikipedia. Clovermoss (talk) 17:44, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

How to Change Page Title

Hello,

I need small help I.e. I looking change the minor edit of page title, but earlier discussion I have not show “Move” option can please someone help me on change the person middle name. Link are below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudhakar_Bhalerao_Shrungare

Politician middle name is wrong, We help on “Tukaram” instead of “Bhalerao” — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppch83 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Ppch83: - as you have not yet been an editor on Wikipedia for four days, you are not an autoconfirmed user, and as such you cannot presently move a page. If you wish to move the page Sudhakar Bhalerao Shrungare, you can request such a move here, though you will need to provide a valid rationale. Given that your grievance is regarding the subject's name, you will need to supply some sort of reliable reference to attest to the fact that his middle name is "Tukaram", as a cursory check on a search engine doesn't bear this out, with most media coverage using the present title of the article to refer to the politician. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 18:25, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

I will go further, Ppch83. There has already been some edit warring in the article on the politician's name. Your duty now is to begin a discussion on the subject with the other editors who disagree, according to BRD. If you were to move the article without having reached consensus to do so, that would be disruptive editing, irrespective of whether you are right or wrong about the facts. --ColinFine (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Do the 320/4s really have a maximum speed of 100mph?

Someone reverted my edit of British Rail Class 320, I think it was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Northernrailwaysfan (talk • contribs) 17:53, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Northernrailwaysfan: - the Teahouse is not the appropriate venue for such discussions, disputes such as the one you are engaged in are better addressed at the relevant article talk page. However, the reason why your edits have been reverted are because they lack citations from reliable sources. You cannot simply add material to a Wikipedia article - see WP:OR. More pressingly, you have added this same material thrice, and have had it reverted on each occasion, which indicates that you are engaged in an edit war. If you have a reference as to the speed of the train, please supply it on the talk page, and allow someone else to implement it, otherwise I would urge that you drop the stick. You are already, as far as I can see, at the verge of violating the three-revert rule, and continuing to add unsourced material as you have been doing will likely result in a ban. Your edits are appreciated, and it is clear from your name that you are a rail enthusiast, but you simply cannot add or alter material in articles without suitable citations. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 18:19, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Album style question

Hello. I have a question about the style/formatting for albums, particularly stubs. I've read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Musical_style,_writing,_composition, but the answer didn't jump out. When noting that all songs were written by person X, except where indicated, should that sentence end in a period? Here's an example: A Man Alone (album). No period after All songs written by Rod McKuen

Another: Odetta in Japan. No period after All tracks arranged by Odetta; except where indicated

I've also seen similar sentences in other stubs that DO end with periods (maybe a majority?)...so perhaps it's a preference? Seems like there should be a period in these cases, but I'm unsure if this was decided long ago.

Just wondering! Sorry for worrying about such a minor thing. Thank you very much for your help. Caro7200 (talk) 18:05, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Caro7200. Those notes are not complete sentences, and only complete sentences should end with a period. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:22, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I see. I guess that brings up the larger philosophical Wikipedia question: if an editor sees the opposite occurring (using a period), should it be edited? When the "error" may occur across hundreds of articles/stubs? Example: Alice's Restaurant (album). Thank you! Caro7200 (talk) 18:53, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Caro7200: Thanks for pointing this out. Alice's Restaurant (album) and many other articles transclude the template {{Tracklist}}, which invokes Module:Track listing, which creates those notes. I'll raise the issue of re-writing those as sentences or footnotes at Module talk:Track listing. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:18, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I appreciate it. Caro7200 (talk) 19:34, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

First article, and then?

Hello,

I just posted my first article, about a person called Kornelia Imesch Oechslin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Shopping25&action=edit

I don't know if I wikified/edited it correctly. Could anyone check it for me please, and publish it ?

Many thanks, S — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shopping25 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello Shopping25. The draft article at User:Shopping25/sandbox is unlikely to be accepted as an article once you submit it. This is because it does not adequately demonstrate the subject's notability. Wikipedia is not a place to promote a subject, but rather an encyclopedia with notability standards for article inclusion. Please do not confuse Wikipedia with a directory or social media. Some important links have been posted to your User talk page. You will want to familiarize yourself with their contents.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:47, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

How to rate the importance scale of an article?

Hello,

I'm a member of Wikiproject Apps.

I would like to know:

1- How to rate the scale of importance of an article (e.g. Talk:tvOS).

2- How to change the scale of importance of an article (e.g.Talk:Microsoft Windows).

Best regards, Coel Jo (talk) 19:55, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Coel Jo: That would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Apps#Importance scale and discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Apps. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 20:50, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

idk random thoughts

what is oof? — Preceding unsigned comment added by UhZeletics (talk • contribs) 22:42, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, UhZeletics. The Teahouse is a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. I can help you if you have a question. LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 23:25, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Urban dictionary defines it as slang for a mess, as a person being oofed up. Is there another definition you had in mind? David notMD (talk) 01:40, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

About editors on Wikipedia

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The original poster has been blocked for violating Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry and will be unable to respond to any further posts here. If anyone has any concerns about the content of Saini, they should discuss them at Talk:Saini. If anyone has any concerns about the original poster being blocked, they should discuss them with Bbb23 who is the Wikipedia administrator blocked the account. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:07, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

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After my several afforts no one here to listen my voice why you publicly publish wrong information one of your senior editor name sitush without reading my reliable sources to improve article they immediately removed the request even other editors have corrected my article again sitush editor have convinced them revert change to my article totally false information is spreading in whole world this will lower down our morale please help Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordann Singh (talk • contribs) 22:44, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jordann Singh: I am sorry that you are in a dispute with others and you are having a hard time. Who are the others? You can leave a message on their talk pages but be patient when waiting for a response. You can also try dispute resolution LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 23:22, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Indef blocked as sockpuppet David notMD (talk) 01:47, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Subpage deletion

Is there a way I can delete a subpage of mine? Melofors (talk) 01:15, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Melofors: You can request deletion of your subpage by tagging it with {{db-g7}}. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 01:36, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@LPS and MLP Fan: Thank you. Melofors (talk) 01:39, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Why did my edit get undone?

Hello. I was working on editing the article "Women and HIV/AIDS". I noticed that this article was an orphan article, so I linked two other articles to it and removed the template. But my edit was reverted immediately, and I don't know why. Did I do anything wrong? It would be nice to know.

KaylaOrloff (talk) 03:36, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Looking at the edit history, I see we would have to ask Apap04 why they reverted your edit. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:54, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I guess I edit a bit too quickly, sorry! –apap04 ^{talk | contributions} 03:58, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@KaylaOrloff: Your edit is back, don't worry. :) Thank you for pinging me here Ian.thomson. –apap04 ^{talk | contributions} 04:03, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

How to use a certain template from the "Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents" page

I am considering reporting a certain user for persistent disruptive editing on the "Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents" page. On that page it says to notify a user on their talk page when you start a discussion about them, and it gives a template, but I do not know how to use this template or what it is for (or where to put it — and do I just copy/paste it on their talk page, or copy/paste something inside of it...?). Here is the link to the page with the template I am referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&action=edit&section=new Any help is appreciated, thank you. Skllagyook (talk) 05:09, 29 September 2019 (UTC)Skllagyook (talk) 05:06, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Skllagyook. All you needed to do is copy the snippet of wikicode that is in the small white box in the larger golden box. Then, paste that wikicode into a new section on the reported editor's user talk page. No additional editing needed. Just save it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:55, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Cullen328:Thank you very much. Skllagyook (talk) 06:18, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Time Approval of Article

Dear Expert,

I am an independent individual content writer and recently started contributing to Wikipedia.

I have published an article on the title "Artha Venture Fund" (first version published about 10 days before), A reviewer has declined my article due to error in the reference citation and some other reasons. Taken the suggestions of the reviewer on priority and with high respect and improved the article accordingly and submitted 8 days before.

It's been now 8 days and no comment received from the reviewer.

Could you please let me know the status of my article as well as when it will be approved.

Thanks Maverick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverickwroks (talk • contribs) 13:39, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Maverickwroks Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The reviewer will not necessarily comment again unless you ask them to directly. If you feel that you have addressed the issue, you can resubmit the draft for another review. This will likely take several weeks if not months as there are thousands of drafts awaiting review.

If you are being paid to write the draft, you are required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use to comply with the paid editing policy and declare that; this is mandatory if you are compensated in any way. You may also need to review Conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 13:51, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy - It is currently an unpublished draft: Draft:Artha Venture Fund. It was declined. Reasons in the grey box and the Comment underneath. To resubmit requires clicking on the Submit button, but in my opinion the draft will be declined again. As written and referenced, the draft does not meet Wikipedia's definition of notability. Of high importance, you must declare your relationship to Artha on your Talk page - paid, conflict on interest, or no connection other than this being a topic you decided to write about on your own with not connection whatsoever to Artha. David notMD (talk) 15:24, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for inviting me at the Teahouse. A few minor questions as a new user.

I started with minor editing on different topics for which I have got a preparation. My English level is not bad, but I am not a native speaker. For this reason, I would like my English language editing to be reviewed. Is it possible to ask somebody for the review or it comes automatically with the main "tutors" of the page I am editing?

I am planning to create a new wikipage about a mathematical fact and I have understood that I cannot do it until I have made at least 10 editings and be registered in wikipedia for at least 4 days. Is this correct? Is there a nice and synthetic guide for creating a wikipage?

Thanks and Best Regards;

Dario — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dario Pellegrinetti (talk • contribs) 16:33, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

You should follow WP:YFA for guidance on creating a new article. There is a wizard there you can use to create a draft article for review. RudolfRed (talk) 16:45, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Dario Pellegrinetti. I'm not sure what you mean about by mathematical fact, but you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:No original research as well as item 1 of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought to make sure the article you want to create is suitable for Wikipedia. You might also want to ask for feed back at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics since that's where your likely to find editors experienced in creating and editing articles about mathematics. No disrespect is intended, but I'd imagine that most "mathematical facts" which meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for an article most likely already have Wikipedia articles written about them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:40, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Add poornachandran wikipedia

AMAVASI BECOMES POORNACHANDRAN

[copyright violations removed] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poornachandran Saigramam (talk • contribs) 16:37, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poornachandran Saigramam (talk • contribs) 16:38, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Poornachandran Saigramam: I don't know what you want to ask at the Teahouse. I can help you if you give me enough information. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 16:46, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Poornachandran Saigramam: This isn't the place to post an article draft. If you'd like to create an article, follow the guidance at WP:YFA and you can create a draft article for review. RudolfRed (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Rough workspace

Is there any rough work-space in Wikipedia where i can work on developing an existing article ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Rookie (talk • contribs) 18:10, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Edward Rookie: You can directly edit an article by clicking the "edit" tab on desktop or the pencil icon on mobile. If you want to experiment with developing content you want to add to the article, try using your sandbox. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 18:14, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick replay and yeah that box is the one I've been looking for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Rookie (talk • contribs) 18:18, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

What sort of Steps are necessary to create a Unique articles for website

Hi am a new blogger i have a passion to become a expert in blogging but i also need some suggestion that how i create a unique content to make it professional . i am a admin of website [Globe news ] and i have write alot of content but i got no traffic in my website so thats why am eager to know about necessary steps to make a unique content — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farazswati (talk • contribs) 22:27, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Farazswati Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia. We cannot help you with driving traffic to your blog or website. Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? 331dot (talk) 22:36, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the last thing Wikipedia wants is "unique content". Articles in Wikipedia are based on secondary and tertiary sources which are considered reliable by Wikipedia's definition.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:25, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

You are clearly not here to make an encyclopedia. Your edits inserting spam links to your website have been reverted. Please heed the warnings on your Talk page.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:49, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Something that is bothering me

hello. i have a minor problem i'd like to discuss. i went to the article for regular show and in the, well, i don't know what they are called, so i'll just call information boxes there to links to articles about the show's characters but when i click on them it sends me to the list of characters article. it has always annoyed me when blue links are giving to pages that don't exist. so please, someone, ethier get rid of the links or actually start writing the articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill cage (talk • contribs) 22:59, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Bill cage Such links may exist for a variety of reasons; they are a placeholder until an article is written by a volunteer (we're all volunteers here who do what we can when we can), or the subject does not meet the criteria for a standalone article. If you feel a redirect is not needed, you are free to propose its deletion at Redirects for discussion.331dot (talk) 23:13, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

i don't want to delete it though. i actually do want someone to write those articles. heck, iv'e been waiting 9 years for someone to make those articles. i tried to once, but my article was declined. and i myself am not particualarly great at writing articles. i don't even know how to cite sources. Bill cage (talk) 00:03, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Bill cage: Are you referring to the character links in {{Regular Show}}? It's called a navbox or navigation template. An infobox is something else. In a navbox it does look dumb to have a whole list where every item is a redirect to the link in the group name "Characters". Some of them were once brief articles like [2] but were redirected to List of Regular Show characters. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Bill cage. Regarding your comment iv'e been waiting 9 years for someone to make those articles. i tried to once, but my article was declined. and i myself am not particualarly great at writing articles, articles are reallyrarely declined because they're poorly written (at least they shouldn't be); they tend to be declined because the subject is considered not to be Wikipedia notable. Fictional characters, in particular, can be tricky to write about per WP:NFICT because they are not usually themselves the subject of much significant secondary coverage in reliable sources, which is one reason these "articles" often end up being redirected to list articles or the primary article about the show. It's possible that it was simply WP:TOOSOON the first time you tried to write the article, but if no article has been created in nine years then perhaps the "character" is never going to really be Wikipedia notable to support a stand-alone article. You can try asking at WT:TV; perhaps a member of that WikiProject can do a quick assessment of notability. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:03, 30 September 2019 (UTC); [Note:Post edited by Marchjuly to change "really" to "rarely" per the below comment. -- 07:23, 30 September 2019 (UTC)]

Marchjuly, did you mean "rarely declined"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:09, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes I did. Thanks for catching that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:23, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Bill cage, I took a look at List of Regular Show characters, and my opinion is, no, these characters should not have separate articles on WP (but I haven't actually looked for sources). Actually, considering the sources cited in that article, I think it's bloated as it is, even if I think that citing the series itself is to some extent justified in cases like this. IMO, what you're after is something like this, which probably doesn't have WP-rules like WP:GNG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:31, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Naming a tributary that has the same name on the same river

I am working on creating articles for tributaries to the Haw River in North Carolina, USA. In doing so, I have come upon two tributaries (Terrells Creek) that have the same name and are within 2 river miles of one another. Generally, the tributary would be named--Terrells Creek (Haw River tributary). However, in this case, there would be two of the same. The two tributaries are on opposing sides of the river and because of this I have thought about naming them "Terrells Creek, Left Bank (Haw River tributary)" and "Terrells Creek, Right Bank (Haw River tributary)."

What are your thoughts on the above naming proposal and/or is there an established way of handling this situation?

Thank you in advance.Veg Mapper (talk) 02:51, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Veg Mapper. The Teahouse is pretty good place for asking general questions about Wikipedia editing, but your mileage may vary which more specific detailed questions like yours. What you're asking sounds like a Wikipedia:Disambiguation and Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names related question to me, but you might get a more specific answer by asking for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers since this kind of thing probably has come up before and there may be a specific way of dealing with it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:30, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Veg Mapper: I think the question is "what are they called by sources?". I saw "Terrells Creek" vs. "Terrells Creek (west)" in one source. In another, a separate column indicated the road they were near – "NC 87" vs. "SR 1520". The former seems better to me, though I'd make the first one "Terrells Creek (east)" and a dab page at "Terrells Creek". At Geonames, the eastern one's alternate names include "Ferrells Creek", which is also in some other sources, so the possibility exists that that is the correct name for that creek. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 05:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Veg Mapper, I would consider "Terrells Creek (Haw River tributary, left bank)" and "Terrells Creek (Haw River tributary, right bank)". Maproom (talk) 06:59, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Seems a sensible suggestion, providing the editor appreciates that 'true left' and 'true right' banks are so named solely from the perspective of being on the river, looking in the direction of flow, and not left and right as seen when looking at a river drawn on a map. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:05, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Old article title appearing in Safari's search bar auto-suggestion

Hello and thanks for this helpful forum! I'm writing to make sure that the article for Katharina Stenbeck is set up correctly. The article used to have the title "Galleriet", but the title was appropriately changed to "Katharina Stenbeck" back in March. However, when one begins typing in the name "Katharina Stenbeck" into the search bar of a Safari browser, the suggested Wikipedia article that pops up still has the title "Galleriet" (but, when clicked on, it takes you to the Wikipedia article correctly titled "Katharina Stenbeck"). When "Katharina Stenbeck" is searched for in a search engine, the Wikipedia article comes up correctly in the search results, so this problem only relates to that "auto-suggestion" function that Safari has when you type a name directly into the search bar. Will this eventually update on its own, or is there a reason that the Safari search bar is still pulling up the old article title?

Here's hoping you'll be able to test this out in a Safari search bar on your end to see what I mean (I don't believe old cookies on my devices could be the culprit, but perhaps it's possible).

Thank you! Agnes1984 (talk) 03:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

You need to clear your browser cache, and flush your DNS. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 03:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the speedy reply, Thegooduser, I'll give that a go in the morning! Did you by chance try it out on your end? Did the correct article title come up in the Safari search bar auto-suggestion for you? It would give me some lovely peace of mind to know that it did! Thanks a bunch! Agnes1984 (talk) 03:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello again, I was too eager to wait until the morning so I went ahead and cleared my Safari browser cache (under the Develop menu) and flushed my DNS (using the Terminal) now. However, I'm afraid the old Wiki article title is still appearing when I begin typing the name into my Safari search bar. It would mean a lot if someone from Wiki could test this out on their end. I'd love to confirm if this is only a problem on my devices or not. Thanks! Agnes1984 (talk) 03:49, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Agnes1984: I tried on my iPhone using Safari and Katharina Stenbeck came up. Out of curiosity, I also tried on my laptop (using Firefox browser though), and got the same result. S0091 (talk) 03:58, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch for checking on this, that's really helpful @S0091: And just to make sure, your test was in relation to the auto-suggestion feature that "pops up" as you type into the search bar, and not in relation to the actual search results that come up after hitting enter (those have always been correct)? Thanks so much! Agnes1984 (talk) 04:10, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Agnes1984: Yes, when I type Katharina, Katharina Stenback comes up in the list (about the 5th down or so). When I add the S after, she is the top hit. S0091 (talk) 04:16, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@S0091: Thank you for clarifying and for taking the time to look into this. Just to confirm, are you by any chance only referring to the auto-suggestions that come up as words/other names? If so, what I'm referring to is a bit different. As you type into Safari's search bar (I'm not sure if any other browser has this, but Safari does), Safari auto-suggests the corresponding Wikipedia article to what you're entering (if what you're entering has a Wikipedia article). This Wikipedia suggestion pops up and is shown right above the words/other names suggestions in Safari's search bar. It's in this spot that the suggested Wikipedia article title is still showing as "Galleriet" and not as "Katharina Stenbeck" for me. Here's hoping that makes sense? Pardon if this is complicated, it's a bit tricky to describe! Thanks for the help! Agnes1984 (talk) 04:32, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@S0091: If it's of any additional help, I've found that the feature is called Safari Suggestions. The following link concerns how to disable the feature (which is not of importance, as I wish to keep the feature enabled), but it also does a good job of describing what the feature is and how it goes about suggesting a Wikipedia article: http://osxdaily.com/2018/04/02/disable-safari-suggestions-mac/. It's in my Safari Suggestions that the Wikipedia article comes up with the old title, "Galleriet". Agnes1984 (talk) 05:01, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Agnes1984: I'm not in a position to test anything for you, but it seems that names of frequently used pages are stored locally by your browser as part of its history, so you'd need to edit that list. Take a look at this Q&A or maybe this blog. Let us know if this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 07:57, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

General Inquiry

Hi Team

This is Emma and I wanted to ask that, I want to submit an educational information about my website in wikipedia.org but what is the process? Because once I tried to submit but I got banded. Can anyone show me the correct way how to do it.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronikal (talk • contribs) 06:36, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Articles in Wikipedia need to meet our notability guidelines, meaning they must be covered well by reliable sources for verification. For help on writing an article please see this guide. I hope that helps, if you have anymore questions, please return. Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 06:46, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ronikal and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no correct way to advertise your website on Wikipedia because that is not what Wikipedia is for. As an encyclopaedia, Wikipedia has articles on subjects that have already been written about in WP:Reliable sources. If your website has already been written about in newspapers and educational publications, then perhaps someone will write an article about it for Wikipedia, but this should not be you because you have a WP:Conflict of interest. Sorry to disappoint you, but you will have more success if you use social media to advertise your website. Dbfirs 06:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ronikal. I'm not sure what you mean by but I got banded. Being banned from Wikipedia generally requires causing some pretty serious problems; so, perhaps you mean you got blocked instead. There's no record, however, your account (i.e. the Ronikal account) ever being blocked; so, perhaps you're referring to another account. If that's the case, then you really shouldn't be creating new accounts to try and edit because that's almost certainly just going to lead to those accounts being blocked as a violation of Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. What you should do is request that your original account, i.e. the one you used to try and create the article about your website, be first unblocked, and only then worry about trying to create an article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:40, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

How to cite, quote or whatever word definitions from a reputable source?

Hi, I'm trying to update a wiki page as I have often done. However this one is entitled "Calendar reform" and people seem to be a lot more interested in and critical of changes. I am trying to separate out the old meaning of "Calendar reform" from the newer meanings, something the article seems to have neglected. Even the subscript of the Page title says it has more than one meaning "Calendar reform or calendrical reform, is any significant revision of a calendar system. The term sometimes is used instead for a proposal to switch to a different calendar design." It seems logical to explain what is meant by a "significant revision" as opposed to ones that could be called insignificant. Or whether the term is being used within the article to indicate a proposal instead of an actual reform. When I first read the article I had assumed it was only about proposals for reform as historic calendar reforms are far better covered and cited under the separate calendar pages already in Wikipedia.

In short, word definitions are important in this page to sort the confusion but other editors delete them as not properly referenced, whether I use dictionaries or quotes from original works for how words were used in the past (they say they are outdated). Any suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tgru001 (talk • contribs) 09:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

You have done the right thing by discussing this on the talk page of the article. Consensus should be reached there. I see that some of your changes to the article have been accepted. Page numbers are very useful in citations. Dbfirs 09:32, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Adventure

Some of the adventures are not allowing me to finish them therefore i cannot get some of the badges — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicoborza99 (talk • contribs)

Hello, Nicoborza99. Welcome to Wikipedia and to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you've not managed to get all 15 badges in one go. I see you've tried it twice now. Keep going - there are two common reasons for getting stuck. One is that there is a notice at the start of the Adventure that suggests it doesn't work best on mobile devices, or on older browsers. Might this include you? If you're able to try again on a desktop/laptop you might have more luck. The second problem I've encountered as that, mid-way through the Adventure, one needs to click some sort of 'next' button to complete that page and to move on. It was positioned very low down on the page and really took some looking for before I could continue. Do please try again, and let us know how you get on. You are, or course, free to remove all the duplicate Welcome to the Wikipedia Adventure messages from your talk page, as these can get rather annoying if you keep having multiple goes at it.

We're here to help and to point you towards any guidance you might need, so come back and seek further assistance if you'd like it. For a less 'interactive' guide to how things work around here, do visit Wikipedia:Tutorial or Help:Getting started, and check out the links in the welcome message I've just left on your user page. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:00, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

planetary roller extruder

Hello, I would like to publish the article "planetary roller extruder" on wiki. Please check this article. Find here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Entex/sandbox The article already exists in the German Wiki. I look forward to your support.Entex (talk) 09:58, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

It wouldn't be acceptable as an article as it has no references. Please read the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:00, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Article on the Serwaa Kesse Girls Senior High School

I would like to keep my article on wikipedia and for that matter would edit it very well for the consumption of the public. Please educate me on what i need to do to make this article mature enough for wikipedia Abdulai Jamila (talk) 11:35, 30 September 2019 (UTC) thank you

Abdulai Jamila Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would suggest that you review the reason the article has been proposed for deletion, which can be found in the deletion discussion(linked to in the red box at the top of the article), and if you can address the concerns given, please do so. The main concern is that the school does not seem to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization and the sources do not seem to be there.

Based on your wording here, I would ask if you represent or work for this school; if so, you must review and comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies. 331dot (talk) 11:20, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Temporarily disabling a Wikipage?

Hi, 

I just wanted to know whether a Wikipage I've written can be temporarily disabled so that I can correct the issues that others have pointed out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psview (talk • contribs) 12:17, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

A new internet forum for Kenya Kenyans247.com

Hi guys, A new forum targeted at Kenyans was created early this year i have tried to create a page for it here on Wikipedia but its rejected kindly help the site is kenyans247.com