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Problem with biographical dates

By other online resources, the date 19 January 1557 is wrong (1 Sep is given) and 31 December 1491 as birth looks also rather improbable (see the given link). [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malyctenar (talk • contribs) 13:19, 5 May 2005 Jacques Cartier's parents are:Geffine janstar and Jamet Cartier he explored the americans,particulary Brazil,before making three mayor north america boyages in 1534

First Voyage

It sayds that the reason he was recomended to head the voyage was because he had already made voyages to Brazil and Newfoundland. So ... how can this be his first voyage?--Matt D (talk) 18:30, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a bad point. However almost nothing is known about these earlier trips to the New World, except that Le Veneur reportedly said that Cartier made them. Meanwhile the voyages in 1534, 1535-36 and 1541-42 are extensively described in the Relations and other documents. It may be more prudent to talk about the first, second, and third Relations. Eulalie Écho (talk) 09:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The second sentence of the article on Jacques Cartier is definitely NOT English and is impossible to interpret:

"He was the first who described and mapped[1] the Gulf of Saint Lawrence and the shores of the Saint Lawrence River, which he named "The Country of Canada(s)", as was so called both Iroquoian big settlements he saw in Stadaconna (Quebec City) and in Hochelaga (Montreal Island)".

Perhaps the original author intended to say something like:

He was the first who described and mapped the Gulf of Saint Lawrence and the shores of the Saint Lawrence River. He named the land, Canada, the name used by Iroquois and claimed it for France. He reported visiting two major Iroquois settlements: Stadaconna (now Quebec City) and Hochelaga (on Montreal Island). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.156.191 (talk) 02:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wait didn't he discover at least three things??? Gwendylu (talk) 00:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Typo?

Under 'First Voyage', it says "During this trip he took Domagaya and Taignoagny, the sons of Huron Chief Donnacona, back to Europe." But at the link it provides at the bottom, it says Donnacona was 'Laurentian Iroquois', not Huron. Even the Wikipedia article about Donnacona says he is Iroquois. Is there a reason for this? Is it a typo?

Not Iroquois, Iroquoian. Former refers to tribe, latter refers to linguistic group. Kinda like German versus Germanic, which could apply to English, etc.

French or Breton?

Saint-Malo is in Brittany, and his baptismal name Jaques Cartier looks more Breton than French. Was he in fact Breton? --Angr/tɔk tə mi 13:50, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Brittany is a part of France. Hence he is FASS--2001:56A:7570:7E00:FDAC:7195:353A:D96D (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2017 (UTC)--2001:56A:7570:7E00:FDAC:7195:353A:D96D (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2017 (UTC)--2001:56A:7570:7E00:FDAC:7195:353A:D96D (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2017 (UTC)--2001:56A:7570:7E00:FDAC:7195:353A:D96D (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2017 (UTC)rench. CQFD.ASSBITCHKILLER[reply]


Bull. He was born (1491) Breton because Brittany wasn't absorbed into France yet (1532). As it says in the article. --Urhixidur 01:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

total bullshit. Bretagne was incorporated in Crown (private domaine of the King) in 1532, not in the Kingdom, moronism at its best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.7.237.18 (talk) 18:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Bretagne always was a french teritory, and dialect names just show local languages, so stop revisionism from something you can' t understand, french history! and stop with your Lawrence river, anglisism that NEVER STATED AT THIS TIMES, evrybody, and western world was speaking french, your kings too! UK was a french duchy, terre neuve was the real name for this times, trying to spin the history is a englis sport anyways!

The writer of the above comment is ignorant. Brittany was an independent CELTIC duchy, not French, when Jakez Karter was born. The Breton language is related more closely to Welsh than it is to French, and is not a "dialect" of anything, it's a language that the French governement has given no respect or regognition to because they're too stuck up an ignorant of thier own minorities. The English and French are equally good at "spinning history" I would say. UK, a French Duchy? In 1067 maybe...not in 1500. Common man, learn history.
Doesn't change much, if the process had been started or not, the fact is it was not formally a part of France. Well little Breton does not mean no Breton in any case, if Karter did speak it the fact probably got hushed up by the French government anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.151.160.105 (talk) 05:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The annexation of Brittany was in process long before 1532 -- see Anne of Brittany. Cartier was born in Saint-Malo on the Norman border where little Breton was spoken.Eulalie Écho (talk) 03:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense! Breton was spoken in Saint Malo of course! Your claim is as stupid as saying that people don't speak English so much in Texas because of its proximity to the linguistic border. Jakez Karter was Breton. His parents spoke only Breton. His mother sang lullabies to him in Breton, and his father would scold him in Breton. That's what I call "first language". Because he was fortunate, he received an education, and hence he learned Latin, Greek, and "French". I'm listing French in quotes, because back in those days, the dwellers of the French kingdom spoke a variety of local languages and dialects. There was no "national language". That being said, Breton itself is *not* a dialect of French or English. It is a language in its own right, a very old Celtic language in fact, very close to Welsh. To this day, it is still spoken by many people. I should know, because I speak it. My 80 year old grandparents speak exclusively Breton (except for official documents required to be in French). They only had learned French when they were 10 years old. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.58.144.199 (talk) 23:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Care to mention a a source that shows that Cartier spoke Breton? Eulalie Écho (talk) 18:41, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting a French identity for Cartier: - Born in Brittany, which is part of France - Conducted his voyages under the employ of the King of France

Supporting a Breton identity for Cartier: - Born in Brittany in 1491; Brittany was not formally annexed by France until 1532 (that the annexation was underway before this time is irrelevant; up until 1532, maps would have shown it as independent) - Name displays Breton characteristics (Karter, similar to English "Carter"), albeit not unequivocally (Cartier similar to "Carretier", an older form of "charretier") - Two of his ships were the Grande Hermine and the Petite Hermine, i.e. the "Great Ermine" and the "Little Ermine". The ermine is intimately associated with Brittany; the four cantons in the top left corner of the flag of Brittany and the myriad ones on the Breton coat of arms are stylizations of ermines' tails, and the Breton motto Kentoc'h mervel eget bezañ saotret, "Rather death than dishonour" refers to the medieval belief that, if a trapper smeared mud around the entrance to an ermine's den, the ermine would refuse to re-enter it, preferring to be caught and killed than to defile its pristine fur.

Logical conclusion: Cartier was Breton by birth, but was a French explorer. Calling him a French explorer is no less correct than calling Italian-born Giovanni Caboto (John Cabot) an English explorer. However, to claim that he himself was not Breton is incorrect: even after Brittany was annexed by France, Cartier still held residence in St. Malo, Brittany (when he was not overseas). After 1532 he would have been French by nationality, but Breton by region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Casey Goranson (talk • contribs) 05:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Baptism

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Bishop Jean Le Veneur

The good bishop was never Bishop of St. Malo. fart *Gulik, Guilelmus van; Konrad Eubel (1923). L. Schmitz-Kallenberg (ed.). Hierarchia catholica medii aevi (in Latin). Vol. Volume III (editio altera ed.). Münster: sumptibus et typis librariae Regensbergianae. p. 231. {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help) He was bishop of Lisieux (1505-1539) (same book, p. 224). And he did know King Francis I. This article The first voyage set sail on 20 April of 1534 (Gordon p. 14).

Fix the mistakes, please. --Vicedomino (talk) 08:26, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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the moon is cheese

I heard that the moon was cheese so I sent someone to check it out, he died! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:648:8401:DF9F:3D31:BAC5:CD33:655D (talk) 03:24, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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