User talk:Khoikhoi/Archived

I may not respond swiftly to queries.

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Warning

Put a protection on the Armenia site the guy is going to keep putting that Turkey information and imagesArarat arev 21:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC) On my talk page, you said: "I have some concerns of this comment of yours. It violates WP:NPA, in the sense that we shouldn't really be discussing other editors in this manner. I'm not quite sure what it proved by pointing out people's blocks logs, and such comments can only sidetrack the discussion. In fact, it was quite provocative. Please don't make such comments like that again. Violations of WP:NPA and Wikipedia:Harassment are considered a very serious matter—and usually end with blocks with the length being increased each time. Khoikhoi 02:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)"

Noted, however I strongly disagree with your assessment; such comments are justified in this particular context. In a RfC the topic of discussion is the editor who is subject to the RfC, but it is also relevant and sometimes even necessary to discuss the past behaviour of the other contributing editors. ´

WP:NPA states: "Remarks describing an editor's actions and made without involving their personal character should not be construed as personal attacks."

WP:STALK states: "This does not include [..] reading a user's contribution log; those logs are public for good reason."

Finally, WP:RFC states: "An RfC may bring close scrutiny on all involved editors".

If you had contributed to that RfC I would have examined your block log in the same manner that I examined every other editor who contributed to that RfC. I would also have mentioned my own block log if it contained any items.

However, I do agree that outside of a RfC such comments would be considered inappropriate, since talk pages in Wikipedia are provided in order to discuss improvements in an article (which might be why you have reacted so strongly as to actually issue a warning).

On a more general note: the entire process of a Request for Comment regarding a user could be regarded as a violation of WP:NPA, WP:Harassment, and also quite provocative. --Oden 05:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I have noticed that you have placed a sign on this talk page that you are {{busy}}, yet your contributions show multiple edits after that. You have stated that my behaviour "usually end with blocks with the length being increased each time", which is a very serious allegation in my opinion. I am assuming good faith in your failure to respond both on my talk page and yours, but I am also starting to become concerned about your lack of response. If you feel that the warning left on my talk page was not justified you could consider striking it (<s> and </s>).--Oden 06:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, you're not busy, just lazy (diff). My concern was that you were quite verbal when you wrote the warning. I think I understand your reason for a lack of response though, and I will let the matter rest. Sincerely, --Oden 06:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Response

On my talk page User:Irpen has written: "I think the warning is way too soft but the dismissive response from this particular user was only to be expected. His disrputing the user conduct RfC with trollish remarks totally unrelated to the subject in question is pure trolling as well as endless discussions the user conducts very much in line with WP:DFTT#Pestering. The defence above with selective citing policies that obviously do not apply to the user's behavior is not even worthy a responce. --Irpen 06:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)"

Since you wrote the original comment, I would now strongly urge you to strike it out if you believe it is inappropriate. Othwerwise I would strongly urge you to elaborate on it. Please respond. --Oden 06:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll let the matter rest. No hard feelings on my part. Sincerely, --Oden 06:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks, harrassment, baiting and pestering by user:Oden

User:Irpen has writte the following on Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks.2C_harrassment.2C_baiting_and_pestering_by_user:Oden: "User Oden (talk · contribs) has been recently involved exclusive in a controversial activity of challenging selected by him users attacking their images. I put aside for now the issue of the interpretation of the WP:FU policy as good people obviously disagree in good faith on the policy interpretation as well as the policy itself. However, even if one chooses to take upon himself such a sensitive task as implementing a policy for the good of Wikipedia, such task can only be taken with utmost sensitivity to other editors. With a couple of other editors joining what many perceived as a disruptive crusade in whose process the worst attitudes were displayed, several editors opened a Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali against one of such crusaders. Notably, the RfC is not about the policy or implementing an unpopular policy but about the unacceptable attitude and abusive Harassment."

"Shortly after, user:Oden posted to the RfC this disgusting attack directed at all the involved editors bringing all sorts of unrelated issues that had no relation to what the RfC was about thus substituting tackling the issue with attacking the opponents. And hour or so ago Admin:Khoikhoi (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) who was not involved in the dispute in any way gave Oden a (rather soft IMO) warning reminding of WP:NPA and WP:Harassment policies. Reaction of user:Oden was this barrage of irregular stuff."

"When I commented on his response as being lacking the substance, Oden responded by a series of entries [1][2][3] where he baits Khoikhoi and brings up another barrage of irrelevant stuff (see also WP:DFTT#Pestering)."

"Third party input is requested. --Irpen 07:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)"

You wrote the original warning, so I would really appreciate it if you could provide some input. I appreciate the fact that you are a serious and valuable contributor to Wikipedia. I will take any positive suggestions from you on how I can improve my contributions to Wikipedia to heart. --Oden 10:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ...

... for your comments here. I did not know that he had once again reported me. I've tried to explain why I believe he is stalking me. I hope that comment helps to settle down the conflict.

Tājik 16:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi is a clown

This guy is a fucking clown. I urge all users to make appropriate actions so this guy gets out off here fast!. As for me koink koink, I ll always be there to correct your mistakes193.92.232.149 21:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. NinaEliza 07:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Nina, you're supposed to put the warning on the attacker's talk page..--Vercalos 07:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I did. I thought I was supposed to put it here as well to let KhoiKhoi know that it was done, and he could remove it at his leisure. I actually read that I could remove it, but that didn't seem right for me to do. In any case, I apologize. NinaEliza 07:54, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Putting it here is good. At least I know now how to handle these kind of incident when it happens. -- drybittermelon (talk．contribs) 09:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Sockul nou lui Kaltsef

Odor5 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)--Euthymios 21:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW when does Kaltsef get his permaban? Mywayyy already had his by now. Kaltsef has more socks (both as anon IPs and accounts) than Mywayyy ever had - can't we get a range block or something?--Euthymios 21:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

recent problem

Khoikhoi I am kind of pissed of because the article has been a bloody propaganda piece. it dosent fall near to an article at all. When ever a turk makes a change you are ready to do a revert and sometimes with really rude explenations like "nice try". But people such as clevelander remove simlest data like "also some western historians say no genocide". Recently Clevelander removed my document adits and some peoples comments in the talk page no one is there to revert or warn him. Fadix returned again with insults and attacks no one took time to warn him. is writing insults in latin makes them less of an insult.. if so let me know. Arent you the only admin active in these pages. Why are you only active agains our actions. Also I know you thought "maybe" only some Armenians rebelled check out my latest adits taken from Western newspapers. Originals are posted as well. if you are interested.neurobio 22:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Clevelander doesnt stop vandalism. inorder to hide the newspapers I posted he first deleted them. I reverted. Now he archived it but after cleaning up my edits and posts ofcourse.

Another request

Could you speedy delete the following articles and categories that I made?:

It's too much trouble to maintain the ratings system. I think WikiProject Armenia would be better off without it. -- Clevelander 01:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :) -- Clevelander 01:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Your User Page

Is beautiful. If you took the picture, you do excellent work. NinaEliza 07:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

All those beautiful faces...thank you.

I saw your "friend" above - I'm trying to find the appropriate template to place on his talk page - I think I have it.NinaEliza 07:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Lesson 1(well, the third actually): see block log first!

I should have known that you knew what you were doing. I keep a few things I find hilarious on my talk page as well;). NinaEliza 08:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey you crypto-WP:ROUGE admin!

Why did you indef block WP:SOCK-ef? How are we supposed to have fun now? :-) Check this out, it appears you have more work to do... Niko Silver 12:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Khoi, thanks for the info, no problem on my part. I'm only concerned now that the Greek Secret Service has been informed I'm a sockpuppet of yours, they will want to cut both our wages. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

You conveniently forgot "bastard"! :-) Niko Silver 23:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

More vandalism and insults by User:NisarKand

Take a look at this user and his edits: [4]. He has been reported for an IP check [5]. Other sockpuppets have been blocked. Please protect my talk-page and user-page against vandalism. Thanks. Tājik 15:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ... However, there are new (or old?!) problems in the comming. User:E104421 has created a parallel-article to Hephthalites in White Huns (which should usually redirect to "Hephthalites") because he does not like the new information and sources added to the Hephthalites article. His version also opposes and contradicts the opinion of User:Sikandarji who is an Oxford academic specialized on Central Asian history. See the talk pages. Tājik 18:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

(unintending) If you are to compromise, i recommend you to compare the different versions. Tajik invited Sikandarji, but disputed Sikandarji's compromise version. I reverted to Sikandarji's version, but Tajik again edited/reverted to his favorite version see this. I invite you to compare the Sikandarji's, Tajik's and E104421's versions. You'll see what's going on. For the White Huns article which was started by Zestauferov on 1 October 2003 (16:15), the information was taken from Britannica and Columbia Encyclopedia, and the links to the references were provided. You can check White Huns article which is factually more accurate and neutral than Tajik's Hephthalites. I agree with Sikandaji's last version (Revision as of 15:12, 9 November 2006 by Sikandarji) for the Hephthalites article see this. If you want to go into, please check the Turkic peoples article, too. Tajik removed the sourced information and references. He is simply removing/deleting everything providing information on Turkic people, culture, ... and replacing them with Persian. I can provide more examples to his edits. Just take a neutral look. I'll be waiting for your reply. We can discuss the issue in more detail. Regards E104421 19:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Once again, you are trying to distract the others, E104421. You claim to support Sikandarji's version (since he is an expert on the toppic), but in reality, you are not supporting his views at all. In fact, you openly reject and ignore them. Just take a look at what Sikandarji told you on the discussion: [6][7]. Yet, you openly ignore his advices and now even pretend to be a supporter of Sikandarji. I would like to point out one paragraph of Sikandarji's writing:

"... Finally, I agree with you that there is no consensus over the origins of the Hephthalites, although as we see above scholarship is moving towards a theory of their Iranian origin, based on the scant available sources. Enoki's article is old: it is interesting because he writes that he hopes further research will be done and new sources uncovered, and that is precisely what Tremblay has done. As this is published (and in this case available online as a reference) this does not count as "original research" and can therefore be referred to in the article. ..."

You are ignoring this in ALL of your edits - especially in your latest try to create a parallel-article in White Huns in which you only push for old and unreliable POV which totally ignores newer sources and research-outcomes. As for Turkic peoples: I only reverted the version that was previously restored by Khoikhoi himself! --> [8] You were the one who changed Khoikhoi's version, restoring a wrong and disputed version [9] Tājik 21:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

This is simply not true. I always reverted to Sikandarji's version. For the discussion page, i always have a right to declare my statements. You should not mix the edits in the discussion pages with ones in the articles. E104421 21:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
For the Turkic people article, Khoikhoi reverted because of vandalism. You already deleted the sourced information before Khoikhoi's revert. You're misleading people. Furthermore, you're using Khoikhoi's admin status to push your version as clearly seen here E104421 21:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Juro

Could you please tell Juro to calm down and stop calling me a liar and extreme nationalist. I would be very, very happy. Thanks! --Öcsi 20:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you help me? --Öcsi 20:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

What?! He call you a fascist too! This is unbelievable! Wouldn't it be better if we ignored him both? --Öcsi 20:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Already done! [10] Öcsi

You could add the attacks against you too. --Öcsi 20:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Put Protection

Put the Protection as you see there is vandalism Ararat arev 21:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

User:NKH's Reoccuring Edits of User talk:Jimbo Wales

Hello Khoikhoi, NKH apparently re-edited his comments on Jimbo Wales talk page yet again. However, so as not to cause edit wars, I left the message alone and contributed a clear statement regarding how these accusations are unfounded as well as the fact that NKH's only contributions have been regarding this matter. I sincerely wish that you have a better Wikipedia week ahead and that you do not have to face any more false accusations in the near future.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 23:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

my Israel map

Thanks for the heads up :) --Golbez 02:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

My userpage

Thanks for the revert:-)--Fuhghettaboutit 03:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

inappropriate external links?

Khoikhoi, why do you blame my links as inappropriate and advertising? Please discuss it in context of the specific link, not in general. I cannot accept, that you blame me for spamming without taking a closer look on the links, I've added. Again, my statement:

I'm not linking a wiki, I'm linking specific articles within the wiki (that's a difference! I'm not saying: hey, take a look at this cool wiki, but I'm linking to a page with additional informations)
The linked articles contain content which is out of scope for wikipedia, but there are additional and useful informations, that are interesting for some of the readers.
These links are much more relevant to a topic that many other links.
Also other users considered these links as useful (see Los Gigantes).

Please, let us clarify this case, at the moment it is annoying for both of us.

So, why is the link at Smögen inappropriate? It links to additional informations, interesting for boating. --Pschrey 07:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Dear Khoikhoi, would you please discuss, why the link, you've removed from article Smögen, is not conform to WP:EL in your opinion? If not, please retract the accusation for spamming on my talk-page. It is very important to me to get this point clear. Thank you, --Pschrey 07:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello Again

Hello Khoikhoi, seems you're not the only member of that organisation you mentioned :P. Poor User:Euthymios is now under fire. I think it would not hurt to semi-protect the userpage for now....¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 09:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, seems like a minute before I sent this message you had already applied one!¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 09:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Kaltsef

Do you have a sub-page or something for these? [11] [12] Niko Silver 11:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I suppose we'll have to. Tag'em when you see'em. Block is a different issue, but at least we'll know. Niko Silver 11:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Am I allowed/encouraged to do this? Niko Silver 11:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll start then, hope I don't miss much. Substing noted. Sweet dreams. Niko Silver 11:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Transnistria

Every edit I have ever made has been reverted

The Transnistria page is pure Romanian/ Moldova Secret Service Prpoganda. As a major voice of Transnistria here I have not been allowed a single edit here nor has an other Transnistrian editor. Frankly. it is a sad when they will not allow the Transnistrian voice to have a single word on the main page. Currently It is pure lies and propganda. They agree things and then delete the parts of the agreement they don't like. The link to tiraspoltimes was voted on and is always removed . TSOID removed it again today. We have proven the Terrorism word is not true. But the Romanian Secret Service types just flaunt the rules and plough in their edits and insert Terrorism even though it is clearly not true. . The Independence Referendum is always deleted and the section is deliberately written in a highly confusing manner. The first day I arrived in Transnistria I was told be a senior person that The Moldovans treat the Transnistrians like animals and this Transnistrian page on Wiki is an example of the pure bombastic nature of the Moldovan/Romanian people here that refuse to allow the Transnistrians have a say on there own site. There is three views possible; ours, yours, and how things are. Here thr page is currentlly entirely yours. We want to turn it not to ours but to how things really are. This we are denied. Sadly for you we are Free and will remain free, we are in a position of strenght and this you cannot see. The current tactic is to strangle and starve the Transnistrian people into submission. Treat them like animlas like the Americans treated the indians in the west in the 1850s. When this fails. How can we ever meet in the middle. One place we can currently co-operate togather is here. So far I have not been allowed to insert one single work on the main page as it is defended the the Romanian Sectret Service types. Until there is mutual respect we can abandon hope, Surely it is in your interest to work together, to find common threads? Or am I dealing with pure hatred here ? No effort is ever made to reach compromise. Perhaps I am wasting my time trying. Maybe we are never meant to work together and have respect. Does anyone have any idea how to reach out to the other side. I have tried so many times. Currently you have me. I can leave it if you want. Have your honourless proaganda site and I can go...... and what then. ...Mark us street Dec4th 2006. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mark us street (talk • contribs) 15:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

Many editors in Transnistria-related articles are against the disruptive behaviour of Mark us street, who broke again the 3RR today, making 7 reverts (please apply the rule). He is like a Transnistrian Bonaparte.--MariusM 15:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

MariusM et-al has never allowed me make a single edit on the main page, He thinks this is fair, He monitors my movements and reverts every single line, every day, every week.He sees this as his job to ensure Transnistria has no voice on its own page,, Did not breal 3RR rule only reverted twice but edited seven times. I am desperately seeking compromise but MariusM sees no need because the fact I do not have a single word on the main page proves his tactics are working. they try to muzzle the truth and just rubblsh Transnistria to the point I cannot recognise the place I live on its own page. Mark us streetDec 4th.

"not respond swiftly to queries"....?

...seems to be an understatement. Look at this:

17:09, 4 December 2006 Srtrwe4555 (Talk | contribs | block) (New user account)
17:14, 4 December 2006 Srtrwe4555 (Talk | contribs | block) ({banned})
17:15, 4 December 2006 Khoikhoi (Talk | contribs | block) m (Reverted edits by Srtrwe4555 (talk) to last version by Duja) [rollback]
17:15, 4 December 2006 Khoikhoi (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "Srtrwe4555 (contribs)" with an expiry time of indefinite (sockpuppet of banned user Kaltsef)

Life expectancy down to 6 minutes. Khoi, you're decidedly too fast for the rest of us. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

always quick to come back to me and helpful too where possible Mark us street Dec

Khoikhoi

Thank you for your response. Could you leave your reponse to Jimbo Wales's talk page next time, b/c I am really disgusted by your comments on my talk page. NKH 18:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Picture

Could you explain why you remove this picture Image:Steatopygia.jpg from the Khoikhoi article? Also how can you have your talk page protected. Aren't you an administrator? Shouldn't people talk to you? NKH 18:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm curious why do you remove the above picture which actually relevant to the contents of the article. There is another picture left Image:NSRW Africa Hottentot.png. This one actully is irrelevant. You should remove this one instead. Could you give some explanation? NKH 22:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Transnistrian Intro

This is still unresolved. I am easy to deal with here. All I want is that Transnistria is refered to as an unrecognised country in keeping with the rest of Wikipedia. I suggest we be scientific about it and say Transnistria is a 'de-facto' unrecognised country and 'de-jure' region of Moldova. Is there anyone out there can reasonably say this is not an accurate description of the country and its status. The problem is I need someone like you to suggest some compromise. The current Intro is innacurate and misleading. Please do not wash your hands here. Mark us street Dec5th

No agreement about this. Current description - a region in Moldova which declared its independence - is accurate and stayed in the article for long time. Only after the aparition of Mark us street this question was opened, against the will of the majority of editors.--MariusM 07:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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Greetings

Hello Khoihoi, i have a little favour that i have to ask of you. The article Medibank International desperately needs a name change, but im not sure how. On the talk page i have listed my evidence and the name which it should be changed to. Although i'm quite an established user, i still cant believ im not sure how to do it.

All the best. p.s dw about those vandals and idiots that bug you, but dont let them deter you either!!! You just do your job.

THE MILJAKINATOR 10:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey

I've filled up the list here: Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Kaltsef. They are all confirmed IPs of Kaltsef since they revert to adding their known cabal text in all of us. I found them from our talk history pages.

Care to excercize your blocking powers, or is there a range block we could have? Niko Silver 10:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh my God! doesn't Kaltsef have anything better to do than vandalising our pages? too many sockpuppets! perhaps only Bonaparte beats him in that;-) Hectorian 12:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Bonaparte!!!!

Bonaparte has appeared on the german wikipedia! Please help me! --Öcsi 15:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Jidan

Jidan has posted on WP:AN/I on his own initiative. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#List_of_Arab_scientists_and_scholars. Beit Or 15:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Map of Israel - Request for Consensus

In an effort to head off WP:3RR action, I am inviting discussion about the Map of the Districts of Israel. Thanks in advance for participating.

And on a personal note, I'm sorry to make an issue out of this, but if we have the history of the discussions properly documented on the Talk page, we can (hopefully) avoid future unpleasantness. --Eliyahu S ^Talk 16:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Your revert on Tiraspol

There is a dispute over the content of Tiraspol. After my edits were removed by User:William_Mauco on the reason "rv rubbish", I added {{content}}.

User:Francis_Tyers had removed the template and undisputed information before I edited the discussion page. I reverted but you revert it back.

Mabe you could also mediate the dispute on Tiraspol, or, at least post your oppinion on Talk:Tiraspol.Dl.goe 17:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Username

So with all this mumbo jumbo about your username, let me ask, why did you choose to call yourself after a race of repressed Africans, when, in fact, you're not African? BTW, lol on chris calling you a woman. I hate it when that happens. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

See User talk:NKH#Explanation. Also, the Khoikhoi were not a race, just an ethnic group. There were the cousins of the Bushmen, who you might know from the move The Gods Must Be Crazy. Yeah, I guess "Pat" is somewhat of a gender neutral name...is it a he or she? It's Pat. ;-) Khoikhoi 17:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

lol, it never occurred to me that someone who get me confused. No, it's most definitely he. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism to a post of yours

User:A Link to the Past reverted your result on the 3RRR-page JackSparrow Ninja 03:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Koavf

I'm curious about the change from "Indefinite Block "to "Banned User". When did that happen? Where is it documented? I'm not particularly complaining - I had some run-ins with him over some really stupid AWB edits he made, but I am curious what took him from the one sanction to the other. Argyriou (talk) 04:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Request

Khoikhoi wrote:

Come back! :-( Khoikhoi 06:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Er... my last edit was some 49 minutes previous. I have no intention of "going" anywhere. If this is about IRC, I've decided that continuing to use it would be going against my whole attitude towards this project – to focus on low-level maintenance and avoid becoming involved in disputes, no matter what – Gurch 06:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Template

Someone has taken it upon himself to remove all instances of the "Armenian Genocide" template from the relevant pages, claiming it is "highly disputable". I see no disputes on the template talk, and I feel that such a bold action needs consensus first. I'll start reverting, but please let me know if there's a discussion I overlooked. Thanks. yandman 08:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Romanian Nationalism

I think we need to cut away at the "28 million" mark once and for all. There is no evidence whatsoever that the number of ethnic Romanians (no matter how far-stretched the inclusion) exist in the world today. Horvat Den 08:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)