Talk:Islamic mythology

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Messenger of Allah

Islam was NOT founded by Muhammad. Muhammad as the founder of Islam is NEVER taught in Islam. Muhammad is rather considered "The Last Messenger of God". Islam also believes in the earlier Prophets like Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. Believing that Muhammad is the Founder of Islam is contradictory to this doctrine. Among the main causes of this confusion is the relience on non-Muslim sources for Islamic doctrines. islamic law stipulates that non-Muslims can never be an authority on Islam nor are they allowed to teach Islam. In fact, even ignorant Muslims cannot teach Islam. Bedejim 12:59, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I know it was only a stub to open the page, but we must be careful not to label everything 'arabic' as 'Islamic'. I am no expert on Islamic mythology, but suppose that for instance Alladin and Arabian Nights are 'Arabic' instead of 'Islamic'--TK

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Excellent point! I agree 100 percent. I hope that those who know more will improve the page -- it sure does need improvement! -- Cayzle

I've moved this page from Islamic Mythology to Arabic mythology, not because I consider them the same but because they are clearly different. Most of the stuff here is Arabic rather than Islamic. I would recommend that we create a separate Islamic mythology article as soon as we have enough material to go in it. DJ Clayworth 21:28, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think it is a good idea to define Islamic mythology clearly , the current version opens with the sentence Islamic mythology includes... and puts the restriction of ...help explanation of Islamic beliefs and we find this remark in the article :

While some of these stories are associated in the mind of the Westerner with Islam, they do not for the most part illustrate the principles of Islam. In fact many of them predate the introduction of Islam, and contain elements contrary to Islam, and are therefore not Islamic mythology. which is based on the restriction mentioned above and seems inapropriate..

I am not sure what the best definition can be ,"mythology developed in Islamic cultures" seems good, a totaly different definitions would be mythology developed in a strictly Islamic context , which would cover a comparatively narrow range and include mostly Sufi mythology and elaboration of Qur'anic stories, defining the term appropriately specialy clarifying wether Islamic means associated with Islamic cultures or Islam as a religeon , helps prevent edits based merely on personal opinions.Pasha 01:58, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

For a start , defined Islamic mythology and did some edits , I hope my edits was in direction of improving the article.Pasha 06:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

There is no such thing as Islamic Mythology. In fact, I detest the world Islamic, as it not mentioned in the Quran or Hadith. The proper term is Muslim. I am petitioning for the entire site to be changed to Arabic Mythology, from Islamic(sic) Mythology.Tuf-Kat

You detest the word "Islamic" because it is not mentioned in the Hadith? That's probably because it is an English adjective, while the Hadith is in Arabic. "Islamic mythology" is not the same as "Arabian mythology" in the same way "Muslim" is not equivalent to "Arab". dab (𒁳) 17:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Is the Qur'an "mythology"?

I have listed the following articles from the "Islamic Mythology category" at:

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Religion#List_of_articles_where_mythology_cats_are_potentially_problematic

• Genie
• Ifrit
• Marid

It seems that these concepts are taken from the Quran, and since there are definitely significant numbers of people today who believe the Quran is a sacred book, they would not share the POV of some that these topics are to be classified as "Islamic mythology". Please see the above link for the general discussion. Thanks, Blockinblox 14:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the above comments that there's a definite confusion here between "Arabic" and "Islamic". However, as to the current point, the fact that people believe a story is sacred does not disqualify it from being a myth. As used by folklorists, the term myth means "sacred story". In popular usage, "myth" means "falsehood" or "lie", but in many scholarly contexts, "myth" means a story whose tellers believe it to be anything but false. See a subsection of the Religion and mythology article [here] for more info. --Phatius McBluff 21:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I am curious if Muslims would feel okay if we use the mythology explanation box on the page (or made one specific to "mythology and Islam". The general one looks like this (see right) and reads "In its broadest academic sense, the word "myth" simply means a traditional story, whether true or false. (—OED, Princeton Wordnet) Unless otherwise noted, the words "mythology" and "myth" are here used for sacred and traditional narratives, with no implication that any belief so embodied is itself either true or false."

{{myth box}} Goldenrowley 18:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think the info box is a good idea here. --Phatius McBluff 05:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Removed the word Farishta

Angels (called Farishta in Islam) - beings of light that serve as God's messengers; in Islam, these lack free will.

I removed the word Farishta. I'm a muslim from Indonesia and never heard the word 'Farishta', neither in Indonesia, nor Australia, nor any muslim sites I visited. The islamic word for angel is Malaaykah. Persian or Urdu words should not be used if you want to talk about any Islamic concept or any myth inspired from Islam. Kunderemp (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

RFC on myth and religion

I invite all editors participating in this article to join the discussion at Proposed change to policy on ambiguous words in religious articles, as it has a bearing on the contents of this article.--FimusTauri (talk) 15:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

This is not just about atheist/Christian/Jewish criticism of Islam

This is not just about whether the stories in the Quran are true. As with Christianity and Judaism, there's a huge amount of post-Scriptual, indisputable mythological material, including pious and semi-pious legends, fantastic stories about jinns and the like, etc. The entire magical world of the Arabian nights belongs to Islamic mythology. And it's absurd that five out of six sentences in the lead of an article titled "Islamic mythology" are currently devoted to a defence of the view that Islam don't have no mythology, cuz it's all TRUE!!!--91.148.159.4 (talk) 15:43, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Beliefs and mythology

Here the article should related to mythologies in Islamic culture and not on Islam itself.Messiaindarain (talk) 06:19, 30 April 2015 (UTC) It seems this article is not being treated in the same way as Christian mythology and Jewish mythology, but instead reading as polemical article.

Eve in Islamic Creation Belief?

I stumbled on this page for some info on Islamic creation myth/belief. But there is not much here. Mostly a comparison with Judeaism and Christianity. Don't think it's the end of the world, but there seems to be some 'vital' info missing too. First there is:

God molded clay, earth, sand and water into a model of a man. He breathed life and power into it, and it immediately sprang to life. And this first man was called Adam.

But then goes on:

God placed the couple in a beautiful garden in Paradise

No mention about how that couple came to be ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.251.37.254 (talk) 17:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Same here - have flagged the "couple" with a clarification request - /* Islamic creation narrative */ the previous paragraph describes only Adam - where does the couple come from?Richwil (talk) 10:45, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Unneeded

This opening mollifying line is not needed- Many Muslims believe that these narratives are historical and sacred and contain profound truths.. We are already explaining "mythology" and as in Christian and Jewish articles of similar natures we do not need to explain that some see these as truths. This article needs to be treated the same as Christian, Greek, Jewish, Irish, etc.... tyvm Pudge MclameO (talk) 04:41, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Question

In the Islamic creation belief passage it is written: "God molded clay, earth, sand and water into a model of a man. He breathed life and power into it, and it immediately sprang to life." Where was it said or written that including clay God also molded earth, sand and water into the form of a human? Is there any reference for this statement? 119.154.23.102 (talk) 17:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

The Number of Days in Islamic Creation Belief

Indeed, the translation of scripture is something that warrants careful treatment. Therefore one must guard against mistranslated material. The article seems to indicate some sort of confusion in the Quran regarding the number of days involved in the creation of the heavens and the earth. The article goes on to say that scholars have already resolved this, but the damage is already done in the mind of the reader. The statement that alludes to a contradiction (i.e. the contrast made between 6 and 8 days) gives the impression of being a statement of fact, so that even when it is said that scholars claim that it is in fact 6 and not 8, the reader is left in doubt as to what to believe.

In several places in the Quran it is stated that the heavens and earth were created in 6 days. There is no ambiguity in any of these and it is taken as an established principle. In chapter 41 verse 11 of the Quran where a more detailed description is given, there is a word that has been the subject of mistranslation. This word (pronounced "thuma" if I'm not mistaken) has three (3) meanings. It can be translated to indicate sequential action, parallel action, or simply as "moreover". Given the fact that 6 days is taken as being established, translating the word in Q41:11 to indicate sequential action would be incorrect. Translators are not above making mistakes.

I would advise that Islamic scholars such as Dr. Jafar Idris, Shayk Hamza Yusef and Shayk Yusef Estes be consulted in these matters. Kirk10p99 (talk) 00:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Terminology section

The original first section "Issues surrounding the term 'mythology'" was deleted on 6 February 2012, with the edit summary "This doesn't belong here. It belongs in mythology, which is already linked. Only 1 sentence was Islam-specific." Since myth and mythology are commonly misconstrued (for instance, "The contents of this section aren't mythological (myths involve gods)"), I think a brief section on terminology would be useful to readers who cannot reasonably be expected to first follow the mythology wikilink. Perhaps this proposed introductory section could use some of the original material. Keahapana (talk) 22:40, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Islamic eschatology

I think many people are confusing topics in Islamic eschatology, with mythology.

Please refer to THIS PAGE If this stays, I do not understand why the current topics in this article should be subject to deletion. See such fabulous beasts here: http://www.mazdapublishers.com/book/of-serpents-and-dragons-in-islamic-art

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As stated in the article "Kaaba - a large cube of black stone that Muslims visit while on the Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca). In Islamic mythology, Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba at God's request, to serve as the earthly counterpart of the heavens. Adam built the original earthly Kaaba, but Abraham and his son had to rebuilt it." Just shows how ignorant the writers of Wikipedia are. The Kaaba is not built of a black stone. It is bult of grey stones from around Mecca. It is covered with a black cloth that gives the impression of it being a black cube. The cloth is changed annually around the time of the Hajj. However there is a black stone fixed into the Kaaba on one of it's corneres. The origin of the stone is however disputed. I would like to see such misinformation cleared out in Wikipedia as it is a great cause of the disrepute of this free encyclopedia.

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Title is not correct

I wanted to state that this article really needs to be deleted. There is no concept in ISlam such as Islamic mythology. Im quite sure that this article will not stand around much longer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.64.223.111 (talk) 04:10, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

The article has been around for eleven years. It needs improvement, but it's not going to be deleted. There are stories that some Muslims tell which are not necessarily in the Quran but which qualify as mythology by secular academic standards. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:17, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

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