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Relocation

According to the source this stream of poets or style of poetry are named Bejtexhi in singular, Bejtexhinj in plural. So can we, please, relocate to the proper naming? --79.106.126.35 (talk) 23:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What about now @Drmies:, @Ymblanter: and @Ktrimi991:? Source commands, right? The title is different from the headline, autoritative sources refer it as Bejtexhinj. Why are you compulsively reverting as if I'm redirecting it from my own desire?--79.106.127.64 (talk) 13:17, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Requested move 7 November 2019

Bejte → Beit – Bejte is the Albanian language linguistic calque of beit, - as per Tahir Dizdari's dictionary (the main Albanian orientalist) quoted in beit article, hence I propose bejte should be redirected to beit. 188.172.111.206 (talk) 12:04, 7 November 2019 (UTC) With all due respect,--188.172.111.206 (talk) 12:04, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 November 2019

Bejte → Bejtexhinj – The source refers as bejtexhinj literature, so the content of this page should be filling the article title Bejtexhinj that erroneously was redirected here multiple times without care and attention towards sources. 188.172.111.206 (talk) 12:04, 7 November 2019 (UTC)--188.172.111.206 (talk) 12:04, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In English language scholarship when these poets are discussed the plural form "Bejtexhinj" is used (i.e: Elsie, p. 36.[1]).Resnjari (talk) 19:05, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In German 1. and French "bejtexhi"+français&dq="bejtexhi"+français&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiyiK3B-MnlAhXxQkEAHcGbDkwQ6AEIJjAA too.--79.106.127.64 (talk) 21:32, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The same for Turkish language "Bejteci edebiyate". --79.106.127.53 (talk) 13:09, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Nominator's argument that the source refers as bejtexhinj literature is null as the article currently has only one English source. A GoogleBooks search to create a clearer understanding of the situation suggests that the most used name is "bejtexhi". It is used for both the literature genre and its writers and singers. As Elsie himself explains, "bejtexhi" is singular and "bejtexhinj" is plural. Similar articles, such as Poet, Singer, Artist, are named after the singular form, not the plural one. Sth that happens in every encyclopedia. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:42, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to avoid confusion. The IPs that have commented so far are all used by the same person. This has been discussed elsewhere. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:57, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(@Resnjari:, can you clarify your position? Do you have decided whether you support, oppose or are neutral on the requested move,? Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:02, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose current page move request. Ktrimi991, the IP has done a crappy requested pagemove without properly outlining their case and has included my comment that initially was made prior to this pagemove. Anyway, that said, Bejtexhinj is used by some in scholarship as a generic term for this genre, but it is usually done when the focus is more on the poets themselves then the poetry (depending on their scholarly context). The word on its own refers to the poets themselves. However this article, the way its laid out is taking the genre of poetry by the poets as it focus and not outright the poets themselves. Having Bejte on its own does not suffice (apart from some people familiar with Albanian topics, for everyone else that name is more of a 'what the'?), Bejtexhinj elicits a similar response and Bejtexhi as well. A middle of the way approach would be Bejtexhi poetry, as that is the focus after all. It would be clear to a reader that the article title refers to a form of poetry. There are examples of this of genres of poetry with more unique names like Biblical poetry, Biker poetry, Yakshagana poetry, Sufi poetry etc.Resnjari (talk) 05:18, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
An additional note about having the title as Bejtexhi poetry. For example in Albanian Poezia e bejtexhinjve translates to Bejtexhi poetry [2]. Texts that focus on this genre of poetry, use terms such as Bejtexhi style, Bejtexhi poems etc [3], [4]. I am not opposed to having Bejtenxhinj as a redirect page to the main one.Resnjari (talk) 05:18, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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