Talk:List of cities proper by population

Cities that should be added:

(with population)

• Amman, Jordan (3,696,734)
• Dubai, UAE (3,192,275) (3,132,339 if you exclude the three sectors with under 400 people/km²)
• Kano, Nigeria (3,931,300) (Metro Kano, 8 Local government areas)
• Mashhad, Iran (3,001,184)
• Peshawar, Pakistan (4,269,079) (Peshawar District)
• Pretoria, South Africa (3,275,152) (Pretoria Municipality has only ~500 people/km², but the sparsely populated areas hav minimal population, so even if they ar excluded, the municipal population would still exceed 3M; see

I think www.citypopulation.de is generally a reliable source. Better yet, they show administrativ division, so you can tell what area each population figure corresponds to.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 01:20, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

• It is quite possible you are correct, however I will avoid citypopulation.de whenever possible since it is 3rd hand information (!). The best source (whenever possible) is the official local nation's census or demographic equivalent website. Almost every nation should have their demographics published on official websites, which is better than a third party such as citypopulation.de Mattximus (talk) 15:36, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

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Semiprotect

This article should be semi-protected because of repeated bad editing. People keep adding Chinese 'cities' with massiv populations and surface areas, but with such low population density that they do not fit a typical person's idea of 'city'. These ar usually 'sub-provincial cities' or 'prefecture-level cities', which ar 2nd order national political subdivisions; 1st-order subdivisions ar (usually) provinces. (What you call any of said subdivisions is partly dependent on your translation of the original Chinese, so the term 'city' should be taken with a grain of salt.) In the U.S., 2nd-order administrativ divisions ar usually 'counties', so a sub-provincial or prefecture-level 'city' is really equivalent to a county more than a city. Such a 'city' (including direct-control municipalities, for that matter) should only be called a 'city proper' if it has a reasonably high population density (over, say 1500/km²), else only the dense core districts should be considered a city (said central, dense 'city' will almost always go by the same name as the sub-provincial/prefecture-level/direct-control 'city' as a whole).

Also, it appears that in many cases, the area and population listed do not correspond to the same definition of the 'city'.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 02:28, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Well the areas you may have a point if they are inaccurate, however your definition is arbitrary, and it is best to use the United Nation definition of city proper (in absence of a more authoritative reference), which states municipal (or local equivalent) government defined borders constitutes a city proper. Indeed, many Chinese local governments do contain large rural areas around urban cores, and many Australian municipalities suffer from the opposite problem having no city level administration. There is another list called List of largest cities which makes this distinction clear. This list is specifically for the United Nations definition of city proper. Mattximus (talk) 15:39, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Paris

If London is included on the list, shouldn’t Grand Paris also be included?? The Grand Paris is supposed to operate in a similar manner as Greater London. Otherwise, London shouldn’t be included on the list either, as the actual City of London is far less populated than the city of Paris Bjoh249 (talk) 23:18, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Grand Paris is nowhere near are municipally integrated as Greater London. Grand Paris is a intercommunality where each component is still an equal municipality and not a fully integrated administrative department or region, whereas Greater London is an actual administrative region of the UK. The boroughs of London are not nearly as independent or granted the same level of powers, and Greater London is much more consolidated than Grand Paris. This is apples to oranges; that you included the City of London actually works against your argument, if anything. --Criticalthinker (talk) 00:11, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

The Tokyo population includes the towns and cities to the west of the special wards. Before 2000 there was no overarching government in London.2600:387:1:803:0:0:0:5C (talk) 20:36, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Sydney and Melbourne

Both Sydney and Melbourne have populations bigger than Johannesburg, 5 230 330 and 4 963 349 respectively, yet they are not listed anywhere on this page. Sydney should be 54th and Melbourne should be 56th. See

Those are the populations of Greater Sydney and Greater Melbourne, not of Sydney and Melbourne proper. Guarapiranga (talk) 10:38, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

References

"Population" envy, and inferiority complex passing as truth/information

Of course none of these urban figures are to be relied on, due to the "massaging" of statistics that countries with "population" envy produced. For example, if you believe that Cairo has half the population of Istanbul, and that Istanbul has more people than Tokyo and far more than New York, Bombay and Calcutta, then you also believe in tooth fairies. To achieve this, the countries involved in this statistical smokes and mirrors game, include the population of an entire metropolitan area--suburbs, towns and villages nearby, into their "city" population and then compare it with the city populations in the more statistically rational places. So, New York City counts only its five boroughs population for a total of 8 million people, not the rest of 15 million that lives in NYC metropolitan area.

To boost their "big cities" to the top, countries with inferiority complex include all the populations around a city into it to boost the numbers. So, Istanbul is expanded to overlap two continents, include every hill and village with a population, to move it to the top of the list. A more realistic and administrative more rational countries like Egypt or Iran, the subdivide their urban centers for better city services and administration. So, both Cairo and Teheran--being much more populous than Istanbul, shrink to half as much or less. By the way, Istanbul now also has a telephone area code of 212 --the same as New York City and Manhattan! Meanwhile, the city officials also reported to The Economist magazine that their city has more skyscrapers than New York City.....

But the same is true of all countries with that inferiority complex, wishing to look bigger and more important through smokes and mirrors. So, do NOT trust these figures without knowing what they include in the fantasy counting. By the way, Istanbul has now about 4.8 million people, living in the city itself not in orbit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:1383:A1C7:223:12FF:FE20:7BC7 (talk) 20:25, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

What countries are the cities located?

The table is not very well-organized. Some cities have their countries and their flags listed (e.g., Jakarta), while other cities only have the country flags (e.g., Chongqing). Can anyone fix the table so that the table be more organized? Thank you. —BeyWHEELZ • T • C 00:07, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't see the purpose of adding flags at all... what does it add? Mattximus (talk) 13:35, 11 December 2019 (UTC)