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expand November 2019 trial details ?

Stone lied to Congress about his efforts to contact WikiLeaks during the 2016 campaign because "the truth looked bad for Donald Trump," a federal prosecutor said in his opening statement at Stone's trial. Prosecutor Aaron Zelinsky said the case wasn't about who hacked the Democratic National Committee, or who communicated with Russians, but "about Roger Stone's false testimony to the House Intelligence Committee in an attempt to obstruct the investigation and to tamper with evidence."

Create "Trials of Roger Stone" article such as Trials of Paul Manafort? X1\ (talk) 00:35, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Judge Amy Berman Jackson

It's incredibly relevant that the judge in the trial be added. Her name is Judge Amy Berman Jackson. It's of extra import (as a foreigner with no dog in this race) given that she is a political activist judge, and a very open never-Trump-er so the pending outcome of the case may be pre-ordained. --121.210.33.50 (talk) 01:51, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So you want to add the name of the judge to smear her. Gotcha. We won't do that. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:56, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

overcite

There are multiple examples of WP:OVERCITE in the lede and it looks ugly and I am guessing it is a result of WP:TE. Please use WP:CITEBUNDLE. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 04:56, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, they should bundled, or if the material is already cited int he body of the article, they can be excluded or trimmed to just a few cites.- Mr X 🖋 12:09, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Convicted felon"

Yes, he is. But in the first sentence of the lede? That is absolutely NOT the thing he is best known for, so it doesn't belong in the lede. --Calton | Talk 07:34, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See O. J. Simpson as a simple example. It is perhaps the signifying point of his career; that most of what he did was illegal. He finally got caught and convicted. At the moment un-sentenced, he is liable to serve the rest of his life in prison. I'd say that's significant. Trackinfo (talk) 07:58, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's a TERRIBLE example for a variety of reasons, starting with the straight-up falsehoods you just stated. Heisman Trophy winner, professional football player, holder of NFL records, inductee into the College Football Hall of Fame and Pro Football Hall of Fame, Hollywood actor: how much of that was "illegal"? He finally got caught and convicted: what, did his roles in the "Naked Gun" movies finally catch up to him?

After that start, I'm not even going to bother with the rest of the reasons why this analogy is nonsense. Now, do you have a) evidence for your claim about ROGER STONE -- the subject of this article -- being "best known" for being convicted of a felony, as opposed to the LONG history of the shit he's done; b) rationales which are not obviously false from the start? --Calton | Talk 10:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comparing others in the category of "People convicted of obstruction of justice", such as Stone's fellow Watergate warren, like John Ehrlichman, John Dean and Fred LaRue, convictions are seen in the lead, but not in the opening sentence. Lindenfall (talk) 19:17, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Roger Stone plead guilty to lying

There is a curious paragraph "Roger Stone plead guilty to lying.....".

It doesn't make sense to me, Stone went to trial, he didn't plead guilty. I think it should simply be deleted, but as I don't understand how it got there, and what it might be referring to, I didn't want to simply remove it without discussion. Magil8216 (talk) 21:57, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it. Still not sure how it got there. Magil8216 (talk) 06:45, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]