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Villejuif stabbing

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WP:NOTNEWS This story rated three column inches in today's Guardian, and I verymuch doubt that it will have any lasting significance. TheLongTone (talk) 14:06, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the attack has been covered in-depth in France, Germany and the UK thus amounting to WP:SIGCOV Since there is a suspected ideological motive, the attack will likely analyzed by Europol and included in their reports. Most similar attacks easily pass WP:SIGCOV. A Thousand Words (talk) 14:41, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The secretary of state has commented upon the attack. It is therefore at the national level of French government, not a neighbourhood crime. A Thousand Words (talk) 14:57, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If this is just a random stabbing without any motive like many others, you can delete it. But I think that we have to wait the investigation. If this is stabbing is terror-related, with a religious or a political background, the article is necessary. User:Gianluigi02

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. CptViraj (📧) 15:12, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. CptViraj (📧) 15:12, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This is an example of why we have WP:NOTNEWS, also trying to predict what may or may not happen falls under WP:CRYSTAL. I do not see coverage in this article that meets WP:DEPTH other than routine reporting. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:38, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CRYSTAL applies to article content, not discussions. A Thousand Words (talk) 09:52, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - there is enough coverage in enough countries to fit the notability criteria. Jim Michael (talk) 21:27, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but are they parroting the same narrative? This isn't called extensive coverage if one news source is saying the exact same thing as another news source. You also have to keep in mind that groups of news organizations are owned by the same parent company. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:48, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the coverage is extensive & thorough enough considering how recently this happened. You'll need to show evidence of your suggestion about media companies with the same owner repeating the same things in order to demonstrate that. Jim Michael (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - At the end of the day France is now investigating it as an act of terror. It also involves a death so this is a big terror case. So I think it's an easy answer as "yes, we should keep" - 11S117 (talk) 3:13 , 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Delete, as another example of WP:NOTNEWS, when did this attack/police response occur? 3 January, and when was this article created? 3 January, how can it/its impact possibly be significant/long lasting? Coolabahapple (talk) 06:57, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many of our articles about attacks were created on the day they occurred. Are you saying that we should always wait at least a fixed minimum number of days or weeks after an attack before creating an article about it? Jim Michael (talk) 13:07, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

i don't understand that some wikieditors have this apparent obsession with reporting on certain events, like this attack, so soon after they occur, and before their long term affects have been ascertained, as if Wikipedia is a news service, it is not, for that there is Wikinews. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:49, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's significant evidence that this murder, which took place in public, against strangers, & had an apparent Islamist motive, will have long-term significance & notability. Jim Michael (talk) 16:08, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No there isn't, and your statement amounts to WP:CRYSTAL balling. The facts are leading this to not be an Islamic motive, and there is no in depth coverage of the attack other than WP:ROUTINE news reporting. Have there been any significant impacts? How does this pass WP:LASTING? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:57, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It's in the news in a lot of countries, so it's notable. And it's being investigated as a terrorist attack. I agree with Jim Michael.Lukasvdb99 (talk) 15:27 , 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Keep per WP:RAPID. The case is still developing, there's no reason to rush to delete right now. The widespread international coverage seems to prove notability. Surachit (talk) 18:56, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but there is also WP:DELAY which states "It is wise to delay writing an article about a breaking news event until the significance of the event is clearer as early coverage may lack perspective and be subject to factual errors. Writing about breaking news may be recentism, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. It is recommended that editors start a section about the event within an existing article on a related topic if possible, which may later be split into its own article if the coverage suggests that the event is independently notable." ......... There is already crystal balling going on regarding if this event is going to be a terrorist attack or not. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:06, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, a notable event, much coverage in France and internationally. Tiphareth (talk) 19:20, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]