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Music Career section needs an update

The Music career section of this article is out of date. It ends with "The House You're Building", ignoring any discography after that (which is in the article itself!). I'll try to update later, but right now I"m tied up on a couple other articles. Luthien22 (talk) 17:06, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Self-published interview citations

In addition to adding a tag to call the ReFill team, to fill bare URLs, I added other tags to call attention to pervasive problems (in particular, lack of sourcing for many purported factual statements).

But one tag can be quickly removed, when an editor can speak to a particular WP:OR and WP:VERIFY issue. The article repeatedly cites a source by "Amos, Evan", which links to an interview transcription at commons. Apparently, a WP editor called up the artist, asked a series of questions, and then posted the transcript to commons. This appears to me to be an attempt to do an "end-around" WP prohibitions of original research and self-published material—i.e., material appearing in WP for the very first time—in particular, material that lacks reliability because it is presented without the participation of a publisher, where fact-checking or other journalistic standards might expect to be applied. The "Amos, Evan" citation appears to violate WP policies and guidelines, in this regard, and I think should be removed.

Otherwise, the article's sources were given a "once-over", and made more uniform, and completed where such was possible. Cases where content in the article was not found in the citation were removed (e.g., see the Billboard 200 entry, now in Further reading). Note, there are still many places where citations are lacking (inline tags placed after checking the nearby citations), and several examples where the only source cited is a personal Tweet or Facebook post of the article subject. Hence, the refimprove tag at the article head.

Finally, I understand the perspective that one need not over-tag. But the appearance of some sentences with {{cn}} tags does not mean that all sentences have been checked—they have not, in today's edits—and so the reader, coming to the article or to a section, is entitled to a warning that the content they are reading is less reliable than they might hope. Cheers, and happy New Year, fellow editors who care about reliability at WP. 2601:246:C700:19D:A098:24BE:6BDE:95CA (talk) 17:58, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bare URLs fixed, while the overuse of the NRT bio and the interview is problematic, a "better source" is not needed. I've made other fixes. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:27, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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