User talk:Pro Grape

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Orphaned fair use image (Image:Duke.gif)

Thanks for uploading Image:Duke.gif. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Durin 00:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that the image will prove a useful addition to the pages about Java. I will be expanding its usage, as well as article devoted to it, in the near future. Please see below for information about the image being used on my user page.

Fair use image use

Please do not add fair use tagged images to your userpage as you did here with the now deleted Image:Gpcbutton.gif and here with Image:Apple_Safari.png. The use of fair use images in this manner is not permitted per Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9. If you have any questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. Thanks, --Durin 00:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I have found myself legally entitled to use the image Image:Duke.gif in my user page according to the licensing information at http://logos.sun.com/logosite.jsp?Category=third because I am a Java developer. Pro Grape 05:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Unfortunately, it's not enough. Wikipedia:Fair use criteria simply does not allow it. If you can have the image released under a free license, then it can be allowed on a userpage. Else, it's not. The reason is that these sorts of allowed you create an ever increasingly nightmarish situation to manage. The line is clear; no fair use outside of main article namespace. Exceptions can be granted (in practice, they aren't), but must be requested and granted. I've removed the java logo. --Durin 13:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Claims of self creation of images

Several times now I have come across images of yours which you claim to have created yourself. For example, Image:Tazer vpp.jpg and Image:Duke.gif. Both of these two examples were not created by you. In the former case, the source image is at [1] and in the latter from Sun Microsystems as it is their logo for the Java programming language. Please stop tagging images which are not yours as being created by you. These are copyrighted images and tagging them as being created by you violates copyright law. If you are uncertain as to how to properly tag an image, by all means ask. But, please do not continue to upload images taken from other websites and claim them as yours. Thank you. --Durin 00:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Duke image

I noticed you recently uploaded Image:Duke.gif and included it in the Java (programming language) article and created a new Java mascot article to discuss it. I thought you should know that there already exists Image:Duke.wave.shadow.gif which is used on the Java (Sun) article. —Doug Bell ^talk 07:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Doug, thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't realized this, as there is another page Java (programming language) that seems largely to duplicate the Java (Sun) article. If this is the case, it has probably been a source of confusion for many, besides which we certainly don't need two articles on the same topic. Please, delete the mascot that I uploaded and I will fix any broken links (as I believe I have created all of the links to that image). Pro Grape 07:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, the Java (programming language) is a sub-topic of Java (Sun). I hope you'll delete the image, though. The reason that I uploaded it in the first place is that I couldn't find that image already in use anywhere. Is there a way to search for images on the wik? Thanks. Pro Grape 08:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Java (Sun) and Java (programming language) cover two different aspects. Java (Sun) discusses the entire Java universe whereas Java (programming language) focuses soley on the programming language. —Doug Bell ^talk 08:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

You can search by typing what you want to search for in the search box and selecting the Search button. At the bottom of the search page that comes up you can refine your search by selecting the namespaces you want to search. This search searches only the image namespace on the term "Duke Java", and reveals the image link I gave above. —Doug Bell ^talk 08:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I will use that in the future. Do you think it is worth having a larger (though lower quality) version of the image for the article Java Mascot? Pro Grape 08:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. I think the one with the shadow, although smaller, is nicer. BTW, I moved Java Mascot → Java mascot. You can read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (often referred to by the shortcut WP:NAME) to see the article naming conventions. —Doug Bell ^talk 08:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the referral to the literature. I agree with you about the mascot image, and I've replaced the one I uploaded with the original one. Pro Grape 08:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

re: A userbox bug?

Is this what you were hoping to get? AuburnPilot^talk 08:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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conservative

Yes it is, but is it not possible to get the same result using the other code format? Thanks for your reply! —Pro Grape ^(talk) 08:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I actually used the same format you provided on Wikipedia talk:Userboxes. I substituted the template format of the box into my sandbox, producing the code for the one you see here. Once the code is available, any of the information, including colors, can be changed without too much trouble. The color choices can be found here. AuburnPilot^talk 08:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I tried the substitution method that you linked to, and for whatever reason, the id text still came up black. So I simply copied the one you gave me. Thanks again! It works now! I think the answer to the question of whether the template is buggy for reverse userboxes is yes! —Pro Grape ^(talk) 09:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

re:signature testing [2]

I see you've already found the preferences tab and how to customize your signature, so it isn't too difficult from there. At the end of my signature, in the preferences tab, I added: <small>{{subst:CURRENTTIME}}, {{subst:CURRENTDAY}} {{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}} ([[UTC]])</small>. Because templates are not to be used in signatures, the date templates must be substituted, especially since you wouldn't want the current date/time to show by your signature. You'd want the date/time when you left your comment. According to WP:SIG, templates are substituted automatically anyway, but better safe than sorry I guess. With the date included in my signature as default, I also sign with 3 tildes (~~~) instead of 4. The fourth tilde would produce a duplicate date. AuburnPilot^talk 19:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks very much. As you can see, I've made the changes. —Pro Grape^(talk) 19:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)