Talk:OK boomer/Archive 1

Archive 1

Soundcould artist name Peter Kuli

It seems to me that we should add the artist who made the OK Boomer song referenced: Peter Kuli as indicated by the cited Boston Globe article Ocajublinky (talk) 03:13, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Abigail Disney

On 11/10/2019 Abigail Disney ranted on Twitter about people being offended by the riposte. Is this worth noting? Linguaddict (talk) 13:44, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Why would it be worth adding to the article? Toddst1 (talk) 17:54, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

References

Name change?

Should the name of the article be changed to OK, boomer? Just a thought. Whoisjohngalt (talk) 21:43, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

I would say no because of MOS:TMRULES "Do not "correct" the spelling, punctuation, diacritics, or grammar of trademarks to be different from anything found in reliable sources – the name should be recognizable as referring to the topic" Adding OK, boomer as a redirect to this is a maybe, but I haven't really seen that version propagated as a meme, only mentioned in one of the headlines. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:02, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Should the "boomer" be capitalised? Baby boomer doesn't use the term as a proper noun so should this page be moved to OK boomer?  Nixinova  T / C   22:41, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi all. I have just declined the page move request. I think WP:Star Trek Into Darkness (page doesn't exist, but maybe it should) applies here, Pete "OK MAMIL" AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:28, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Not all sources capitalize it. Since there is ambiguity, we should go with MOS:AT and WP:NCCAPS, which says use sentence case and "Boomer" is not a proper noun. See also WP:NCCAPS. This discussion should continue despite @Shirt58:'s abritrary and not fully-informed ubervote with an explanation that made no sense - (some kind of unintelligible rambling about some science fiction film and a guy named Pete). Toddst1 (talk) 19:52, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

I boldly moved the page to "ok boomer", as I think the lowercase form is far more common. Linguaddict reverted saying that "OK Boomer" is more prevalent. Is this true? --MZMcBride (talk) 22:00, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Usage

Is the heading Usage really necessary if it has already been explained in the beginning? Linguaddict (talk) 21:11, 6 November 2019 (UTC) Ok boomer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.227.60.70 (talk) 03:42, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Sections should really be where precise explanations are to be found so I have moved the info from the lead into that section.  Nixinova  T / C   22:39, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

The term ok boomer is used within most coffee shops within the city of Geelong in Australia, once used by an angry coffee shop owner at the famous Yarra St Quartermasters, the term has spread to the other shops within the region. Ok boomer is now commonly used when a coffee with caramel syrup is ordered but not on the menu. YSQM (talk) 03:14, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Politico magazine "OK, Bloomberg"

I'm talking about this: Also in November 2019, Politico used a variation of the meme in an editorial about former Mayor of New York City Michael Bloomberg's possible candidacy for President of the United States entitled "OK Bloomberg". Is this really that notable? It's merely a witty headline, nothing more. Linguaddict (talk) 18:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Linguaddict, not really a notable use, unless it becomes a campaign slogan or catchphrase. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:30, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Noteable uses requested to be added

The term ok boomer is used within most coffee shops within the city of Geelong in Australia, once used by an angry coffee shop owner at the famous Yarra St Quartermasters due to an argument with the mayor, the term has spread to the other shops within the region. Ok boomer is now commonly used when a coffee with caramel syrup is ordered but not on the menu. YSQM (talk) 03:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

YSQM, do you have some news articles to support this use? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3536854/Karl-Stefanovic-slams-celebrity-Geelong-mayor-Darryn-Lyons-bullying-swearing-staff.html The article mentions an argument with a business in Geelong, his response to the mayor was “ok boomer”. The mayor was then sacked that day for his abuse around town which wasn’t limited to his office. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YSQM (talk • contribs) 06:58, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

YSQM, how about some newspaper that isn't Daily Mail since that is considered unreliable per WP:RSP? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:59, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/14/geelong-council-sacked-after-allegations-of-misconduct Ok boomer was used when the mayor threatened to close down the local business. “It said Lyons threatened to close down a local business after yelling at its staff, then later told investigators he did not remember the interaction.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by YSQM (talk • contribs) 07:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

That source doesn't mention the topic.  Nixinova  T C   07:16, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Additionally, I feel like if we were to include the use by some local businesses in one single Australian city the article will turn into a long list of all uses by pretty much every somewhat populated settlement in the English-speaking world and then some. Juxlos (talk) 11:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

This article is BS

This article as it now stands is just a lie. "OK Boomer" is in no way a progressive insult directed at conservatives; it is not even directed at baby boomers. 90% of the time I see it used on social media (which is many, many times a day) it is used to dismiss ANY thought by any person older than the poster.

I see it regularly directed at Gen X people, and even at older millennials.

There is no political consistency to it. It is *occassionally* used in response to older people expressing conservative ideals but very rarely (in my world) and given the high proportion of its usage that does not fit in that category it is completely logical to say that the pejorative is not in any way restricted to the description the article gives of insulting reactionary baby boomers. Indeed I would say that easily the majority of the usage I see is to express disdain and hatred for older people expressing liberal ideas. But that might be because I am a liberal and mostly avoid social media connections with conservatives.

It is ageism, plain and simple, it isn't "considered by some to be ageism" or however this extremely biased article puts it. The fact that it is used against older people of any ideology, by millennials both "progressive" and right-wing proves that its essence is not political but a hatred of older people (not even old people -- unless you consider women in their mid 40's "old" -- who I see subjected to the abuse of "ok, boomer" on a regular basis).

To conclude, there is no other meaningful content to the expression than ageism; it is employed by millennials without regard to left/right politics to insult and demean anyone who is older than them (including, as I said, other millennials who happen to be older). Many if not most of these millennials using the word are conservative, materialistic, privileged, and white. Someone told me recently the phrase actually originated in the alt-right as a sneer at older liberals. I don't have any sources for that, but it's certainly worth looking into if Wikipedia wants to present a factual description of this catchphrase rather than what we now have, which is an article that tries very hard to justify its usage by tying it to some kind of youthful enlightenment. It's the furthest thing from that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohgoshanotherusername (talk • contribs) 11:46, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about? 'OK Boomer' originated in alt-right communities to sneer back at liberals? I've never heard of such BS before. Funny how you're playing into this, since this would be the exact situation where 'OK Boomer' would be applicable. Linguaddict (talk) 23:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

He's right about one thing, "OK Boomer" is usually used to dismiss anyone deemed "old" by the younger person now. There should be mention somewhere about it's use being broadened by the majority.

4chan

Why is no one mentioning that it started on 4chan? It is primarily a 4chan meme that got picked up by the mainstream. If you want a source there is this (www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/11/19/20963757/what-is-ok-boomer-meme-about-meaning-gen-z-millennials) and search the word on the archives, can someone at least give the credit from where it is actually originated from rather than ignorantly claiming it came from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:4c8:1c:b77:248c:f92d:ac71:115e (talk) 03:03, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

I added it, thanks for pointing it out! Linguaddict (talk) 20:36, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

It didn't come from 4chan. The phrase "started" in Reddit a decade ago. I already added this in but someone pulled it. Back in it goes.blah (talk) 10:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Harlequinn, do you have any reliable sources to substantiate your claim? Is towardsdatascience.com a credible source? Linguaddict (talk) 21:21, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Connection to Political Socialization

Wikipedians,

"Ok Boomer" has become a much discussed topic in civics and government courses in high school classrooms as a topic related to the concept of political socialization. I plan to update this page to reflect this connection to these topics. Thank you in advance for assuming good faith in these edits and I look forward to your feedback Serenewilliams (talk) 02:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Bring a source and integrate the connection in the article to support your assertion. Toddst1 (talk) 23:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Article about this page

Slate — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:46, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

TikTok #OkBoomer views

As of December 2019, clips on TikTok hashtagged #OKBoomer have been viewed more than 1 billion times. This does greatly differ from the currently mentioned 44.5 million in the subsection of "Usage". Can I use TikTok as a reference in this case? Linguaddict (talk) 17:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

In general I find social media view statistics inherently unreliable given how much they are subject to manipulation but it's no worse than what we have now and so I would not object to more than 1 billion personally. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

References