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Est. 2014?

Is category Association football clubs established in 2014, what is typically used, when the club/organization was given permision to join league. Or should it be when the club is actually formed and ready to play in 2 years? WikiVirusC^(talk) 20:03, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Why the move?

The move was undiscussed. It's not clear that this will be the team's common name. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:53, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I agree, the common name in English appears to be "Inter Miami" or "Inter Miami CF". Clubintermiamifan (talk) 16:07, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, but now "Miami" is misspelled in the page name. And the club doesn't use periods, just "CF". I tried moving this back, but the redirect page has the old name so I couldn't. Anyone more fluent than me want to change the name of this page back to the original "Inter Miami CF"? 18:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

This is better, but we still have the periods. That's a convention not seen with other team pages, nor by the team itself. SixFourThree (talk) 19:03, 13 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

Show some sources that use the name. However they spell it—with or without the CF, with or without periods, with our without "Inter", with or without Miami—that is where this article should land. Vague comments are useless. I will return the article to its current location until we start seeing the tam's WP:COMMONNAME. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:44, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

For a start, there's this press release from MLS Communications[1]. The team's website is bare-bones, devoid of content at the moment, but their official Twitter[2], Instagram[3], and Facebook[4] pages all list the club's name as "Inter Miami CF". The team and league are good sources to start, which is perhaps why the name has been picked up in media coverage of the event:

Sports Illustrated: "David Beckham's MLS Expansion Team Has a Name: Inter Miami CF"[5];

ESPN: "David Beckham's MLS team named Inter Miami CF ahead of 2020 season launch"[6];

the Independent: "David Beckham has announced that the name of his MLS expansion club is Club Internacional de Futbol Miami, shortened to Inter Miami CF"[7]; and

the Miami Herald: "Inter Miami CF will be the shortened version of the team name"[8].

Seems pretty clear that they've settled on an official common name for the club, including punctuation. This article should reflect that. SixFourThree (talk) 21:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

I agree with CF. After a moderate search, I could hardly find any references to C.F. from any media outlet or blog (besides this Wikipedia article). I realize that the team is very new still and the commonname may change but the name with periods is OR at this point. "Inter Miami CF" is the clear choice for now. BLAIXX 22:28, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

And that's my concern - the longer this OR name is up, the more likely some media outlet is going to pick it up, and then the OR becomes enshrined. There aren't any sources using "C.F." but we have multiple sources for "CF" including the team, the league, and major media outlets. I really don't see why this change should be in question. SixFourThree (talk)SixFourThree

Media outlets do not rely on Wikipedia for their naming, they rely on what the league tells them to write. Feel free to provide the sources and open a move discussion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Nobody should rely on Wikipedia as a source, but we know many people do. Including professionals who ought to know better. Sources are already provided above, I'll look into a move discussion. Thanks! SixFourThree (talk) 15:52, 18 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

NM, I see it below. SixFourThree (talk) 15:55, 18 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

You've made the logical fallacy of equating the media—who I state above take their orders from the leagues—with people at large or the populous. We rely on the former. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:58, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Nah, I'm remembering the debacle where somebody edited the Green Bay Packers page to claim their "G" logo was intended to stand for "Greatness". That false factoid got picked up by a sideline reporter and repeated on national television, which then got added to the page as a reliable source.[9] It took weeks and the intervention of the team's official historian before we could straighten out that mess.[10] Best not to leave errors up on a page any longer than is necessary. SixFourThree (talk) 14:00, 19 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

You know, when you don't fact-check, you're just repeating lies. http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/116283759.html Wikipedia was not the source of that, it was a victim. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:50, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Now I'm getting confused. I hope you're not accusing me of not fact checking or repeating lies, because the source you and I both cited lists Wikipedia as both the source and victim of the error. "some think his bad information came from a tidbit that a Packers fan added to Wikipedia last summer. The site now attributes the claim to Barber, so it's gone fully circular." I'm just glad we now have a move discussion so we can correct this erroneous assertion before some other television personality picks it up without fact-checking and it too goes fully circular. SixFourThree (talk) 17:35, 19 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

Not at all. The fact is that someone did change that article and an athelete stated it in a telecast. No fact checking with jocks. So we were likely used to convey that. The point I was making was that broadcasters and news agencies fact check, and do not use Wikipedia as a source. Moot point since sources have been provided that show COMMONAME is without the punctuation. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:06, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 17 September 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 14:08, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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Inter Miami C.F. → Inter Miami CF – As per the discussion on the talk page, the name without the periods is far more common and is used by official sources and the media. BLAIXX 15:06, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 15:15, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Until there is proof that it's the WP:COMMONNAME, there's no need to move it again. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:28, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Perhaps I am confused with Wikipedia's naming policies but under what rational should the article be titled "Inter Miami C.F."? The article's first title after the team was given a name was "Inter Miami CF" before being moved to "Club Internacional de Fútbol Miami" and then "Inter Miami C.F." by an editor "moving it back" until further discussion. That editor probably should have moved it back to "Inter Miami CF" (they may not have been able to for technical reasons) but I think that's where it should be now and where further discussion should take place. BLAIXX 15:50, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
    • You are confused. I'm not saying that it should be named Inter Miami C.F. I'm saying that until we know the COMMONNAME, we should stop moving the article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
      • I am not confused. You are effectively saying it should be named Inter Miami C.F. by opposing the page move. The only reason the article is at this location at all, is because an editor moved it here in an attempt to revert an undiscussed page move! I am proposing we follow through on that attempt which requires a technical move. BLAIXX 17:24, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
        • This move is discussing whether the article should be moved or not. The undiscussed move was wrong. Why would we compound that problem with another. The only relevant point is what the team's COMMONNAME is or is not. Until that can be established, I see no need to move the article again. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:31, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
          • Because correcting a mistake is not itself a mistake. It's a good. SixFourThree (talk) 16:05, 18 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree
• Oppose A common name has yet to be established. Until then, there is no reason to move again. Let's give it time. Clubintermiamifan (talk) 17:28, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support All other MLS clubs do not have periods in their titles (excluding D.C. United for other reasons). Team is being promoted without the periods. If WP:COMMONNAME is the argument being used to keep it at "C.F." then we should determine all MLS teams common name. Does anyone really call The Crew, Crew SC? I was watching highlights today, never did I hear anyone call the Whitecaps, Whitecaps FC. I heard a lot of people call new New York City FC, NYCFC or just New York City. Common name is subjective in the case of a league like the MLS where in the grand scheme of things, it's a young league and culture is still evolving and being borrowed from other leagues and history. (Bes2224 (talk) 23:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC))
  • You're absolutely right. COMMONNAME isn't quite as strict as you've made it out to be. You would be surprised what the commonname for clubs are and where their articles are. See the lists linked from List of top-division football clubs in UEFA countries and List of top-division football clubs in CONMEBOL countries as a start. For instance, Chelsea F.C. is commonly called Chelsea and it has the periods, and A.F.C. Bournemouth (with the periods) is known as Bournemouth. In a more direct comparison, we have FC Barcelona (no periods), Real Madrid C.F. (with), Villarreal CF (without), Valencia CF (without) and CD Leganés (without). So consistency is not an expectation. This is why we should not be moving this article again until we actually know what the COMMONNAME is going to be. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:18, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
    • Yes La Liga is not the same across the board but the EPL is. Each league is different. Up until now, every team in MLS that has an FC or SC in their name, have no periods in the name on Wiki. Not using the periods hits all 5 points on WP:CRITERIA, of which consistency is a factor. (Bes2224 (talk) 01:13, 18 September 2018 (UTC))
• Support strongly - the club is already using the common name Inter Miami CF across its social media.[11][12][13] The league is using the name Inter Miami CF in its official press releases.[14] The media, national and local, is using the common name Inter Miami CF in its coverage of the club.[15][16][17][18] In contrast, a Google search returns only one source using Inter Miami C.F.... this page.[19] To insist that we should be using the periods here is not only a violation of WP:NOR but also of WP:COMMONNAME itself, which states "(Wikipedia ) generally prefers the name that is most commonly used". No justification was given for the name change in the first place, and there's ample evidence that it should be changed back. SixFourThree (talk) 16:04, 18 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree
• Support based on the links provided by SixFourThree to show that the it would be the team's WP:COMMONNAME. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:50, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support based on rationales above and league norms. SounderBruce 02:00, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support AOTA -Clubintermiamifan (talk) 05:04, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

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Messi rumors

Lionei Messi has rumors surronding him for a move to inter miami. Make a "Possible Transfers" section and put him in that section.