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Correct student enrolment

Universities Canada (https://www.univcan.ca/universities/facts-and-stats/enrolment-by-university/) and Queen's own Planning and Budgeting site (http://www.queensu.ca/planningandbudget/institutional-data/enrolment) peg the instiution's enrolment at over 27,000. Perhaps they are using a different way of calculating enrolment.

However, Queen's Common University Data Ontario gives a different number, at around 23,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.64.2.22 (talk) 05:33, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]


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Requested move 28 January 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 22:04, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]


– So that Queen's University (disambiguation) can be moved here per WP:NOPRIMARY. It is not at all clear that this Queen's University should be the primary topic over Queen's University Belfast kingboyk (talk) 07:21, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously I don't agree that the Canadian University IS the primary topic, which you appear to be presenting as fact; it is up for debate and I assert that there is no primary topic.
The figures you appear to me to fall way short of demonstrating primacy, which requires "with respect to usage that it is highly likely — much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined — to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term" (emphasis mine). The numbers show that Queen's in Canada attracts more interest than Queen's in Belfast, but it's something like 3 to 1, not 10 to 1 - and that's not including the other Queen's besides Kingston and Belfast. My view is that the stats provided do not prove that it is highly likely that people searching for Queen's want the Canadian institution; merely, let's say, it's more likely than not. There is ambiguity.
Furthermore, whilst this will likely be region dependent and isn't particularly scientific, when I Google "Queen's University" I get Belfast as the top result (even on Google Canada in incognito mode).
The guidelines also say that "A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term". The 2 main universities of this name are of a similar vintage (19th century) and have significant student bodies (in the 20-30,000 range). Belfast is ranked higher (see Queen's_University#Reputation and Queen's_University_Belfast#Rankings_and_reputation), but the Canadian institution is larger. It's pretty much a tie.
I am suggesting that with 5 universities called Queen's, 2 of them of similar stature and age, and all of them having full, official names which are not "Queen's University" ("Queen's University at Kingston", "Queen's University Belfast", "Queens University of Charlotte) etc), it is in the interest's of readers for Queen's University to be a disambiguation page. --kingboyk (talk) 08:32, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Canadian university gets more page views than all articles combined on Queen's University (disambiguation). 3 to 1 is "much more likely" by most definitions of the term. Also, Google doesn't really allow you to search for region-specific results. Specify for Canadian results on DuckDuckGo, and Queen's University Kingston dominates. feminist (talk) 14:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - QUB and QUK are both well-established, and the conditions for WP:TOPIC do not seem to be met by Kingston (and not by Belfast either), and there are other Queen's cases, so I think a clear case for a disambiguation page, and each Queen's to be at its own distinct page. The numbers do not support the current position. In Europe, for example, I suspect Queen's of Belfast is much better known, and more likely to be searched (as someone who could name a couple of dozen North American universities, at least, I'd never even heard of Kingston, had to search it out), and probably a mirror of this in N. America. This is the sort of situation for which we have DISAMB pages.SeoR (talk) 09:26, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The Kingston one is the primary topic in North America. The Belfast one is the primary topic in the UK. Neither is the primary topic worldwide. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:01, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support the Kingston one gets less than double the views of the Belfast one [[1]] which probably isn't enough for the "much more than any other" and when I Google Queen's University I get most results for the Belfast one but the Kingston one is there however that might be partly due to my location. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:50, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This is entirely informed by individual regional experiences. My first thought was that it describes all of the universities in Queens, New York. BD2412 T 05:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move 18 February 2020

Queen's University at Kingston → Queen's University (Kingston, Ontario) – While I'm not opposed in principle to the legitimacy of moving this to a disambiguated title, the title that actually resulted from the earlier discussion is not the right one on WP:ENGVAR grounds. "Queen's University at Kingston" is not its proper name, or even its common name, in any context whatsoever, so it's not the right choice on "proper name" grounds — but even if "at Kingston" is meant purely as a disambiguator, that's a characteristically British construction not reflective of Canadian speech. Canadians never speak of "[Institution] at [City]", except in a couple of very isolated unusual cases where that is the thing's proper name — if we have to disambiguate something by location, we say that it's in city, not at it. So the appropriate new title here is parenthetical disambiguation by location, not an inaccurate "proper name" with an "at" in it. Bearcat (talk) 00:04, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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