Talk:Durag

Alternate Use

Welders Use 'em to keep spatter(molten metal) from getting in our hair.They are on sale at every welders supply store...and 'wave cap' should redirect here.4 T~i~l~d~e~s(7/5/2007_@4:08pm)

As a legally bald guy, I use them for sweat-management as well as UV protection. Most manufacturers tout these points as well. 71.164.218.146 (talk) 17:35, 16 July 2015 (UTC)LBG

Welders do not use do-rags. For one thing, the tied end of the 'do-rag' would be a fire hazard for welders. Welders use skull caps that are specifically manufactured for that purpose. The skull caps are more about fitting the welding helmet onto your head, than about keeping sparks away from your hair, which is the job of the welding helmet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.6.57 (talk) 18:10, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Article Title

Why was the reference to the term "dude rag" removed from the durag article by 206.131.130.190 on May 23, '05? Alternative names and spellings are greatly significant to the topic; on the streets in my area, the term "dude rag" is used more commonly than any other. The name "do-wrap" may also be of interest.

Furthermore, I am opposed to the racial delineations made the article. The reference to "African-American men" may seem appropriate in the context of hair. However, the cultural group among whom the durag is currently popular is not limited to any race. I have seen European-Americans wearing durags, and indisputably, Asian-Americans also wear them. In this case, The word "Ebonic" would be far more appropriate-- and far, far less offensive. I wasn't there in the beginning of durags, but I speculate that, even then, they were worn by members of other races. Regardless, hair-texture and culture are the relevant details here, not race. Such unnecessary racial distinctions only serve to exaserbate trivial differences between essentially similar people, effectually driving them apart.

--Jack "Jaeger"

You sound like you're making a few "racial deliniations" of your own, mein freund. Hair texture is certainly not something defined by race. There a good number of Caucasian, Hispanic, and Southeast Asian people with coarse hair. Hair texture isn't a factor in it's use, and by your own submission, neither is culture. Unless I suppose it's a case of cultural appropriation.

- Jesus.

I think there must be some discussion about the history of this word. The spelling of this word that seems most intersting is probaly 'do-rag which gives the impression that it may have come from "hair-do-rag" which is somewhat justified by the article as well ("...hold chemically processed hair-dos in place..."). Certainly the spelling of the "word" durag gives me little or no help in determining the history of this word or of the wrap it describes.

Best I can tell from Google, durag is not the most popular spelling. Here are my (unscientific) findings:

• durag - 17,100 pages
• do-rag or doo-rag - 42,600 pages

So, does anyone have a justification for this spelling or a certain history of this term?

One last item: The term Ebonic Youth seems to be a completely new and possibly made-up term used only in this article. The previous commenter (Jack "Jaeger") mentions it as being an appropriate term, but I cannot find any mainstream reference to the term being used like this. The term Ebonics is, of course, well used and there is a significant entry which is, importantly, missing even the word ebonic let alone a term like Ebonic Youth.

I myself am not sure who adopted the fashion trend in the 70s and 90s, but I submit it is not useful to make up a new term just to avoid the term African-American men.

-- Scott

"Ebonic youth?" You know better than that. --FuriousFreddy 15:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, that probably is a niche term. I guess "dude rag" isn't very widely used either. It only shows up about 700 results on Google. But there has to be some non-racial name; It can get pretty old to hear people saying "black" when it has nothing to do with the topic.

Also, Scott, there is a hip-hop artist called Doo Rag, which may be why "do-rag OR doo-rag" returned so many results. I revised your comparison and came up with this:

• do-rag - 216,000
• du-rag - 313,000

The packages of all the popular brands say "DURAG" or "Du-Rag" on them, if that's any indicator of the correct term. Maybe it's just in my area, but if you never bought one of these, you could go to the corner store to look at some.  :-D

--Jack

Almost certain it's spelt with a u

--Jay

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrbios (talk • contribs) 05:24, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Picture needed

When everyones done screwing around with the very predictable racist crap could some one come up with a picture. This is after all, an encyclopedia. If someone looks this up, then we should provide some good information. Good information would include an image. Thanks --hydnjo talk 06:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Actual gang color use

The article implies that gang colored do-rags are a Holywood invention. Is that true or are/were they really used this way. Rmhermen 16:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

No, this is absolutely true! While gangs have nothing to do with popularizing durags, CK's and BK's in my neighborhood wear their colors proudly, and this includes solid-color rags. Of course, some people (especially young kids) do wear solid-color rags without gang involvement. I'd personally never wear a red or blue one.

The article doesn't imply anything about gangs. Gang members also wear solid-color shirts, but you won't find any references to gangs in the article about shirts!

--Jack

Dew Rag?

The bit with the Civil-War era "Dew Rag" seems a bit weak to me... can anyone confirm this or provide references?

Jack says: Your comment should at least be signed as "anonymous". Er... yuk yuk yuk. Yeah, the nature of that suggestion really calls for some sort of verification. I'd personally find it kind of amusing to know what kind of source this idea came from... --Jack 06:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

As a white person I have always been under the impression that the use of du-rags (spell it the way you like) had origins in prison gangs. Is there any truth to this? 209.247.5.215 00:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)JOE S

This whole origin point seems to be someone's speculative stereotype, with no references given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.6.57 (talk) 18:14, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Where did the article go?

Why the hell was the article about "do-rags" replaced on the same page by an article about some dumb video game character? And can someone explain why the new article makes no reference whatsoever to the term "do-rag." It looks like somebody screwed up big time. Can somebody find all the lost stuf about "do-rags" so we can copy this text to the appropriate article and clear this space for the "do-rag" article? Just a thought... 66.44.154.30 06:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Wrong Picture

The picture accompanying this article is clearly not a do-rag, but a stocking cap. Someone find a picture of a do-rag, please.--Thoscsii 19:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Etymology

The etymology already presented seems distinctly phony. Acronyms account for far fewer words than folk explanations suggest. The OED and Merriam Webster both state the word comes from do in the sense of "hair-do", which also chimes with an explanation given further into the article. The first use of the word from those sources is 1968 but that is describing the decline of the "do-rag", so it seems likely it is earlier. http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/00319472?single=1&query_type=word&queryword=do+rag&first=1&max_to_show=10 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/do%20rag Both dictionaries suggest that "do rag" is the accepted spelling (along with less prestigious dictionaries), but urban dictionary suggests du rag as an alternative. I'm not sure that this is terribly important though. Anyway, if nobody really objects I'm going to scrap the vietnam war stuff and replace it with the OED/M-W sourced facts. OcelotIIX (talk) 08:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Du Rag Sales?

can anyone make an assumption about how many (total) Du Rags are sold in the U.S every year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.204.208 (talk) 14:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Description

Since the photos aren't very descriptive and the "piece of cloth" seems to be fastened/tied/folded, it would be nice if we could get a description on what that entails or maybe even a schematic if s.o. can draw or has a free image. THANKS 71.236.26.74 (talk) 04:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

freedom fighters

"Do-rags date back to the 1800s when freedom fighters put them under their hats to protect their necks from the sun." Source please? Why the euphemism? Are we talking about revolutionaries in Cuba, or what? Slrubenstein | Talk 20:08, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Obviously not Cuba if it was the 1800s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.85.209 (talk) 08:59, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Do-Rag - Vietnam War connection?

As an Army veteran, I thought I heard somewhere that "d.o." stood for "drive-on" rag, as in the acronym FIDO, in which the last two letters stand for drive on. Have any other veterans heard of this usage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:F731:2010:DD3A:BE03:8818:FD5D (talk) 17:07, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Popular Culture

I've seen sources saying that Cleon the leader of The Warriors in the 1979 movie of that name wore a durag, though seemingly not a traditional type.

Do-rag in Name, Du-rag in Body?

Regardless of where I've seen the term commonly referred to as (Du-rag), I do think that the title and primary spelling in the body should be consistent. It strikes me as odd that the title has 'Do-rag' as a primary spelling, but the entire body, without fail, insists upon 'Du-rag.'

It just comes off as kind of sloppy and inconsistent to me.

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