Talk:Storm Area 51

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Requested move 9 October 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 19:46, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Storm Area 51, They Can't Stop All of Us → Storm Area 51 – The shorter title is widely more used. It googles 4 times as many as the full title and it is used as the universal name in the internet meme community (such as the KYM entry hardly even mentioning the full title). Although the original event had the description as well, WP:COMMONNAME clearly points to omit it. The full event name should still be the boldface title term in the article body, but a reader would expect to find this article with the event's shortened, commonly used, name. Gaioa (T C L) 18:58, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, that makes sense to me. As long as the full title is theboldface in the lead I think that's a much better reasoning for moveing it than others have proposed— Preceding unsigned comment added by IntegralPython (talk • contribs) 21:02, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Mark Schierbecker (talk) 19:06, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Concise and accurate title. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:18, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Most of the references refer to the shorter title (or "Area 51 Raid") and rarely is the full name used Qwaiiplayer (talk) 15:58, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I couldn’t agree more. —CamiloCBranco (talk) 21:37, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Concise and unambiguous. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:20, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Concise and accurate. –Davey2010^Talk 08:44, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per IntegralPython’s suggestion above. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (talk to me) 08:56, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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new redirect

This article needs a redirect for "area 51 meme" and other things similar. Mᴇɢᴀɢᴏᴀᴛ (talk) 12:51, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@MegaGoat: Well, why don't you make the redirect yourself? Just go to the page with the name you want (such as Area 51 meme) and paste #REDIRECT [[blah blah blah]] there. On the other hand, please make sure that the redirect will be useful for the readers before creating it (see WP:RPURPOSE for more details). Thank you. Gaioa (T C L) 14:28, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah thanks for the help. Never knwe that! Mᴇɢᴀɢᴏᴀᴛ (talk) 14:53, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use image in Gathering section?

I feel like we should have a picture of the people who gathered at the gates. There probably ain't any free images of it out there (correct me if I'm wrong🙂), but I think a fair use image would comply with WP:NFCC#8 - the section looks really bland now.
I considered either one of these photos or the group picture in here Gaioa (T C L) 06:42, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. A relative handful of people gathered in the desert. Any decent writer can summarize what the sources say about the gathering in prose. Why would a free encyclopedia use a non-free image for such a trivial gathering? We certainly can't appropriate a newspaper's photos. No way. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:55, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, its not hard to imagine 150 people hanging around outside a gate.Slatersteven (talk) 08:07, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is the picture of the sign and the path legal?

It says no photography doesn’t it? (And by the way, is that an FBI car😋?Just kidding.) Heroe Of Time (talk) 11:24, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Clap alien cheeks" listed at Redirects for discussion

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Vami IV (talk · contribs) 04:39, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Background

~~Expand this section. When was Area 51 established, and to what end?~~

Done I've added some more info relating to the site's opening and history, but let me know if you want more to be added. WackyWikiWoo (talk) 05:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Citation [1] is now repeated without need in the second paragraph.

Fixed WackyWikiWoo (talk) 13:18, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~around the time the military began flying CIA U2 spy planes in the area. They would not be CIA planes if the USAF was flying them.~~

Removed I've removed that part of the sentence all together, it seems sufficient to just mention UFOs were spotted at the site. WackyWikiWoo (talk) 05:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

~~"Facebook event and internet meme" is the place to introduce and discuss Matty Roberts.~~

Done I've moved it down to that section. WackyWikiWoo (talk) 05:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Add his first name, please.~~

Done WackyWikiWoo (talk) 13:18, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oh, that's Naturo running. What's this cheek clapping the youngins are talking about?~~

Done I've added an... explanation? WackyWikiWoo (talk) 05:59, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect, hilarious. Things like this make me wonder what aliens will think of us if they ever show up above our ball of rock. –♠Vami _IV†♠ 11:25, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This? ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 13:46, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully. –♠Vami _IV†♠ 15:08, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~B-2 stealth bomber Could you make one link out of the three here?~~

Done WackyWikiWoo (talk) 05:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Combine "Gathering" and "Music festivals"~~

Done WackyWikiWoo (talk) 05:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~The county has just 184 hotel rooms Make this past-tense.~~

Done WackyWikiWoo (talk) 05:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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IMpact

Most (all?) of the impact stuff is future tense, about preparations and projections (an issue here of wp:notnews). This should be re-written to be about the actual (not projected) impact.Slatersteven (talk) 10:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven: I don’t see the issue, the section is talking about the impact on businesses and towns at the time of the event. I can’t see any future tense? Cartrisge273 (talk) 02:15, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First line, 40,000 people did not turn up so there was no impact of that scale. Second line... and so on. Anything about what people thoght might happen and prepared for is not an impact, its a projected impact that never happened.Slatersteven (talk) 09:15, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven: I read it as the immediate impact the event had on businesses and the towns surrounding the site, maybe you’ve/I’ve misinterpreted? Could you suggest an alternative title for the section that may be better? Cartrisge273 (talk) 15:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As most of what it talks about never in fact came to pass it should be removed, and a new section created about actual impact.Slatersteven (talk) 15:54, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Slatersteven: Well the event had no real long-term impact, the section is really just discussing the immediate preparations businesses and the towns were making pre-event. Maybe the section could be renamed “event preparations or something? Cartrisge273 (talk) 01:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]