User talk:Sulfurboy

Please do the following when posting on my page(I will ignore your comment if you don't follow these simple rules):

1) Post new sections at the bottom of the page.

2) PLEASE LINK TO YOUR ARTICLE, I go through a myriad of pages a day, I won't know what you're talking about unless you link your article.

3) Please don't request me to re-review your article unless I've specifically asked you to do so. AfC is incredibly backlogged and someone will get to it when they can.

I welcome anyone to comment or reply to others on my page, but please be kind and if their post breaks one of the above three rules, please ignore them as well.

Draft for "Joseph Bae"

Thank you for your feedback on my first attempt at a Wikipedia article Draft:Joseph Bae. I am writing for more targeted advice on my references. I am writing about a finance executive who is referenced by name in three different Wikipedia articles (articles for KKR, Exor, Janice Y. K. Lee all reference Bae) and who is a public figure via his philanthropy (he might be worth listing under notable Harvard alums). In my research, I drew from the following sources: Wall Street Journal, Reuters, New York Times, Forbes, and Bloomberg, as well as the KKR website for basic biographical information. All these sources discussed Bae by name and in depth.

Should I look for more references? Or make better use of the ones I have? Or are these major news organizations not neutral enough?

Thank you in advance for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brick the golden (talk • contribs) 17:05, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Brick the golden, None of those sources show coverage of the subject that is either in depth or apart from being WP:ROUTINE except maybe the wedding vows article and that's not going to be enough. Sulfurboy (talk) 22:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sulfurboy: I included several articles from widely distributed publications that I don't think can be considered routine coverage. Specifically, Reuters' "Exclusive: KKR Asia business architect Bae to return to U.S." and "KKR names Bae, Nuttall as co-presidents in step toward succession"; Private Equity International's "Bae's Rise to the Top of KKR"; Harvest's "Teamwork at the Top: In Conversation With KKR’s Joseph Bae and Scott Nuttall". While not in the headline, he's discussed quite a bit in the NYT article "K.K.R. Lays Out a Line of Succession, a Rare Move in Private Equity". I'm not trying to be obstinate, I just think it's clear that he's been covered in the media repeatedly, more so than many other business people who do have Wikipedia pages. Are the articles I reference above really routine coverage, akin to sports or wedding announcements? And does the subject not clear the bar of notability, "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject."?

The Reuters and NYT article is WP:ROUTINE corporate coverage. The PEI article is unreliable as there is no confirmed author nor editorial oversight and in all likelihood black hat SEO. The Harvest source is a primary interview which does not denote notability. This page doesn't come close to denoting notability. Sulfurboy (talk) 13:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft page "André Freire"

Dear Sulfurboy,

Thank you very much for your revision on the page I'm working on (see it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Andr%C3%A9_Freire). However, I'd like to make a request, if you could oblige me.

In order to be published, it says on it that I should: 1 - Use the quotations as footnotes; 2 - Use a formal tone and a neutral point of view.

Could you point me, more specifically, what may be wrong, within the text, when it comes to the neutral point of view? The information I put there is completely factual (I'm using the author's institutional CV, at his university). Also, I tried to put the references whenever I thought necessary. Maybe I should use more of them?

Thank you very much!

Best,

KaiserViriatus (Viriato Queiroga) KaiserViriatus (talk) 01:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

KaiserViriatus, Wikipedia is not a directory or place to post someones CV and work history. First you need to review WP:MOS for how to properly format an article. I would then heavily condense all of the publications to those most relevant, something like his five to 10 most cited works. Also, all of the external links need to be removed from the body of the article and integrated as references and inline citations if applicable. This article is a LONG way from getting accepted. Sulfurboy (talk) 04:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear Sulfurboy,

Thank you for your reply and useful explanations! In all fairness, I'm not using Wikipedia as a directory to post André Freire's CV. But seeing as I'm quite inexperienced, I asked you to get an idea of what should be done. Thus, once again, thank you! As to your indications: I'm already working on the article, while taking into consideration the formatting of a given article. Best, KaiserViriatus (talk) 16:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear Sulfurboy, I'd like to let you know that I've finished editing the Draft article, trying to meet your indications and Wikipedia's rules (I hope I was able to not make mistakes or not use Wikipedia's rules). If you want to review it again, I'd be pleased. If not, I want to thank you, anyway, for your previous help :) Best, and hoping you're in good health, KaiserViriatus (talk) 18:06, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Request on 11:06:43, 7 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Earthianyogi

• Earthianyogi (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Copula in signal processing (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Draft:Nikolai_Udianskyi

Thank you for reviewing of Draft:Nikolai_Udianskyi and for you remarks.

Please check and let me know if my improvements to the article are satisfactory. --Perohanych (talk) 12:41, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sulfurboy: --Perohanych (talk) 08:44, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Article to be deleted

Hello Sulfurboy,

Just recently, my 1st article submission (The Toast Office) to Wikipedia was declined due to unintentional phrasing that suggested advertising properties. Thus, I was notified but would like to make sure that it was in fact then accordingly deleted and that there is nothing else I need to do in this process. Thank you for all your assistance and I apologize for any misunderstanding, error or inconvenience this may have caused! I hope to contribute more suitable content for Wikipedia in the future!

Best,

AforAnne 4:47pm 4/7/20

Request on 15:55:42, 8 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Irenemoresa

• Irenemoresa (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Chelo Alvarez-Stehle (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dear revisers, Could you help me understand how can I improve my references or how can I add footnotes? And which information does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations? I have read the guide Referencing for beginners but I don't know how can I do it better. Thank you very much.

Irenemoresa (talk) 15:55, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Irenemoresa, there are mulitple lines and claims in the article that are not supported with inline citations. biographies of living people have very strict standards on the required inline citations. Sulfurboy (talk) 01:39, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Suppressing redirects on moving drafts

I see you are still moving drafts from user space to draft space without leaving a redirect. Is that just an oversight, or do you have a good reason for doing it? JBW (talk) 22:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

JBW, An oversight. So by default for whatever reason the "leave a redirect" behind is unchecked when draftifying (but not when doing other moves). However, when you do it from our AfC script it's checked by default. So I think there might have been one or two times when I either checked or unchecked incorrectly. I'll just start running them all through the draftify script to avoid this confusion in the future. Thanks again. Sulfurboy (talk) 23:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the explanation. I wonder why it is set up to work that way. I'm not going to claim that it's a really big deal, but it does seem to me slightly better to leave a redirect, for the reason I mentioned before. JBW (talk) 23:21, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

JBW, Who knows. Probably because the scripts were created for different needs even though they both accomplish the same thing. But I do fully agree with your sentiment that it's always best to leave the redirect and since that's how it is set by default in the AfC script, then that seems the appropriate thing to do. Sulfurboy (talk) 23:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Request on 00:55:21, 9 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by ArtistofWNY

• ArtistofWNY (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Alberto Rey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, the page I am working on entitled "Alberto Rey" (a visual artist) was flagged as not being written from a neutral point of view. Could you please point out what language or parts of the article appear biased? I do not believe I used any "peacocking" language as the flag suggests. Any descriptions of his projects were not judgments or about the quality, success, or merit of his activities, but merely relaying the information I compiled. I apologize as this is my first article written for Wikipedia and though I have been reading through the many guidelines and help pages, this process is still somewhat confusing to me. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time. ArtistofWNY (talk) 00:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

ArtistofWNY (talk) 00:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Lord Hyeamang

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Lord Hyeamang passes WP:NGRIDIRON per [1] [2] Joeykai (talk) 02:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Joeykai, Neither of those sources confirm he actually played a down. Sulfurboy (talk) 03:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't see how "played two games with the Alouettes in 2019" does not confirm that he actually played in those two games Joeykai (talk) 03:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Joeykai, Because he has to play an actual down. All that confirms is that he suited up for two games. That's two totally different things. Sulfurboy (talk) 03:57, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

[3] This should confirm he actually played in two games Joeykai (talk) 04:28, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Joeykai, Dude I'm not skimming through a 55 page pdf document to see what you're talking about. If you find a proper source that shows he played an actual down then post it on the draft. otherwise the page will continue to be declined. Sulfurboy (talk) 05:02, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Page 28 of 55 shows he got credit for actually playing in two games (i.e. yes, he played at least one down in two different games), rather than the reserve/did not play designation. And this is an official CFL document, so is definitely a 'proper source' Joeykai (talk) 05:08, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:National_Institute_of_Dramatic_Art_alumni

Hello,

You denied this originally because of lack of citations (even though most of the people's Wikipedia pages, which are linked, verify that they are alumni). Then when I took the time to source over 100 articles and bio pages on other people/organisation's websites, all of which explicitly confirm that they are alumni or have won the awards referenced, you declined it again and accused me of bombarding with "Bunch of nonsense references that have little to nothing to do with the subject." Not really sure what you want here - please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fefu2011 (talk • contribs) 07:34, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Request on 21:55:07, 9 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by RajeevRuparell

• RajeevRuparell (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Ron Graham (author) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello! Thanks for reviewing the article about Ron Graham. Just wondering if there was anything particular that wasn't sourced properly?

Re: notability, I sourced a number of reviews of his books in the Globe and Mail, Canada's national newspaper, which are not written by him and are independent of him, as per the guidelines:

https://www.scribd.com/document/455596727/Globe-and-Mail-Oct-1990-Report-on-the-State-of-the-Canadian-Soul https://www.scribd.com/document/455624433/Globe-and-Mail-Oct-17-1992-All-in-la-famille https://www.scribd.com/document/455711663/Winnipeg-Free-Press-Ron-Graham https://www.scribd.com/document/455596732/Globe-and-Mail-May-2011-How-Pierre-Trudeau-changed-Can

I also included a reference to the Oxford Companion to Canadian Literature, which lists notable Canadian authors: https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780195411676.001.0001/acref-9780195411676

Graham is a very famous / well known political author here in Canada – the hard thing about drafting his article was that most of his work was published in the 80s and 90s. :( Please let me know if there are specific things that should be removed.

I'm new to editing WP and would like to make my submissions more efficient/compliant in the future.

thanks!! :)

Rajeev

RajeevRuparell (talk) 21:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

A link to scribd isnt a reliable source Sulfurboy (talk) 22:07, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Conall Laverty

Draft:Conall_Laverty User_talk:Ojejinms —Preceding undated comment added 22:36, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi you just rejected my draft article for lack of notability. I do not believe this is the case as the subject has accolades in the very notable Forbes magazine and numerous Irish newspapers. These broadsheet newspapers are also credible secondary sources. Could you offer further clarity on why you rejected the submission? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ojejinms (talk • contribs) 22:24, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

responded on talk page Sulfurboy (talk) 01:38, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Knowledge Magazine is the top magazine in that genre of music

...and I've used several issues along with other credible music magazines. there are 18 credible references. so now what? Fulber (talk) 01:24, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Netrality

Thank you for reviewing my Netrality article submission and leaving feedback. You requested that I remove the press releases and external links from the body. I've removed the press releases from the article, but could you please let me know which other links/references I need to remove to make it eligible? Mikiepc (talk) 05:30, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Mikiepc, Still is full of WP:ROUTINE announcement sources and blackhat seo blogsite-like sources. Sulfurboy (talk) 15:21, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Is the recommendation to remove all references from the article draft and resubmit? I tried to model the article after one like CoreSite with similar sources, so I'm not sure how to move forward with this feedback. Mikiepc (talk) 13:45, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Mikiepc, It needs to be sourced with reliable, secondary sources Sulfurboy (talk) 15:38, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

These are the only sources currently available, will the draft remain rejected due to this? Mikiepc (talk)

My article got rejected-This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified

Hi Sulfurboy,

I appreciate your reviews but I don't understand how to write the reference correctly and how to check the reliability of the source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishakha2588 (talk • contribs) 11:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Vishakha2588, WP:REFB and WP:RS Sulfurboy (talk) 13:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Azure Data Explorer

Hi, I observe you accepted Azure Data Explorer at AfC. Did you notice these edit {Diff|Talk:Azure_Data_Explorer|950131022|950054608}} [4]. There are also a lot of WP:PRIMARY sources used on the article. Its fundamentally an appropriate subject for an article, I'm just concerned about possible bias and as an administrator hopeful I'd like you to check these points out. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:59, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Djm-leighpark, Yeah I'm not going to hold a draft back that's been waiting for months and is clearly notable just because of a some minimal neutrality issues. If you take issue with the neutrality of some of the primary sourcing then either improve it or tag it. Sulfurboy (talk) 13:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

hello,

hey am new in here i only have two days, and i am from Tanzania where we don't speak English fluently, so its so difficult but with your reviews am trying and i hope i will succeed to create my first article. so if there is any possibilities for you to help me on the creation please help me. i will learn. i hope one day i am gonna be a better one. all in all thank you for your comment.

(talk)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moses rukanima (talk • contribs) 15:05, 10 April 2020 (UTC) 

Draft:PremjiInvest

Hello Sulfurboy! I was wondering if you could give me some more sprecific suggestions on what is should add to Draft:PremjiInvest to make it suitable to publishing on Wikipedia. Thanks in advance, Usernameisentered (talk) 16:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Usernameisentered, Please see the decline message on the draft page and read the linked and applicable policies. If you have questions about those specific policies, let me know. Sulfurboy (talk) 16:07, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I don't understand what is meant by "significant coverage". Usernameisentered (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Usernameisentered, WP:SIGCOV Sulfurboy (talk) 22:36, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Resubmitting drafts

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Re: Draft:Renowned_LA

I don't understand why Draft:Big Rick Daniels was allowed to be declined and allowed to resubmit so many times but I'm not. After the first attempt to re-submit my rejected article with the recommended changes, you said it's not allowed to be resubmitted. Why did I bother making the recommended changes then? Pilot333 (talk) 22:19, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Pilot333, I don't know why you're asking me. I didn't reject that article. Sulfurboy (talk) 22:36, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Look at the edit history. You edited it today, unless I have the wrong person. Are you implying I have to contact the person who rejected it and only the person who rejected it or are you implying you're unwilling to help? Pilot333 (talk) 00:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Pilot333, Dude, I didn't reject that page. It says in the rejection message who rejected it. Taking it up with me is pointless. Take it to their talk page if you have questions. Sulfurboy (talk) 00:26, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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Could you delete the Drafts I made? I don't know how.

Thank you for showing me the "Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects and categories" by the way. DJ10wiki (talk) 23:50, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

DJ10wiki, I've requested that they be deleted. Sulfurboy (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. DJ10wiki (talk) 00:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For your good work at AfC. Cedix (talk) 14:34, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Jason George (writer)

Hello, Sulfurboy. I (believe I) have addressed the sourcing and notable events, as requested for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jason_George_(writer) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtomtomtom (talk • contribs) 19:54, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Tanaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanaza

I have not any type of economy according to the company in order to create the page. I contest the fact the sources are reliable: there are references from Il Sole 24 ore (one of the most important European economic newspaper) Facebook Engineering Blog and lots of articles from newspapers of Wi-Fi sector. There are also references to two United States Patent and Trademark Office!!

From the point of view of neutrality, the article simply describes what Tanaza is and what it does. I cannot avoid talking about of the awards and partnership because they are parts of Tanaza history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marco Papavero (talk • contribs) 21:38, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Marco Papavero, Who is the we you are referring to? The article is riddled with press releases, it is clear you have not reviewed our policies about WP:RS Sulfurboy (talk) 21:42, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi

What was the problem with my draft Maizbhandariya (talk) 01:31, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

draft Barakat-Perenthaler syndrome

hi! You rejected my draft Draft_talk:Barakat-Perenthaler_syndrome saying it would not be supported by reliable sources. This I do not understand, as the page is referring to well known medical sources (such as Acta Neuropathologica (the 1st ranked journal in pathology), Online Mendelian Inheritance in Man (OMIM) (the standard resource in clinical genetics) and other papers such as those in Nature Communication). So I do not completely get what you think is not referred appropriately? Grateful to hear some feedback. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.238.220.59 (talk) 10:07, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

hi. I've added a lot of details to the references...

do you think it's ready to go? Fulber (talk) 01:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Dulchasar

G5? I'll leave the choice to you. Cabayi (talk) 06:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Cabayi, I feel like this is one of those spots WP:IGNORE might apply. It's just a stub article about a town, so there feels like there's zero chance of it becoming promotional or controversial which is the two things I'd typically worry most about from a blocked user. Either way, other than promoting it out of AfC, I have zero attachment to this article so don't really care one way or another. Sulfurboy (talk) 07:05, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:OCR World Championships

Hi Sulfurboy,

Firstly, I cannot thank you enough for your time and hard work in unpicking what my article on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:OCR_World_Championships was needing.

It is a bit of a pickle, as our sport is not one for a ton of big name media sources, and as you can see in the Spartan Race page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_Race and the Tough Mudder one here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_Muddertheir sources are very similar. We cannot honestly do a tremendous amount about that if we are to back up claims made. The sources used are legal entities, but not the big name sources generally asked for. However, we are very well known entities and both of their pages have been accepted with the same styles as my own and the formatting is very similar.

I was not paid for this article per se, I am an employee of the company and was asked to write it. If I need to change something in my user page, I am VERY happy to, I was under the impression that I had disclosed things as needed.

Any further guidance here would be massively appreciated. Again, thank you for taking the time.

Pixicorn 14:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachelanne Schiller (talk • contribs)

Rachelanne Schiller First, just because another article exists, doesn't mean yours should WP:INN. Secondly, it doesn't matter if you have been directly paid for creating the page, if you are an employee of the company that means you have a financial stake in the subject and need to properly disclose. Lastly, if you cannot find proper sources to denote notability under our guidelines then that means your subject is not notable and as such an article about it will not be accepted at this time. Sulfurboy (talk) 14:28, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your input again. I had thought I had disclosed appropriately, but realize I had not and fixed that particular issue. Writing a wiki article is a minefield of new knowledge! I will work on fixing the tone and paring it down, but I do want to make a strong plea to consider that our sport has hundreds of thousands of participants every year, and this event is the recognized world championships of the sport. HOWEVER, mainstream media tends to only write fluff pieces about the dangers of the sport, and the social media darlingness of the profile pictures it creates. These things do not particularly pertain to us, and so the only media we tend to capture is that which is geared specifically to our very recognized and notable sport. I will remove as much of what might be seen as "filler" references, but I do implore you to consider that the other two VERY large companies that lead our sport are using the same references as we are. I do appreciate the WP:INN rule there, but as our sport is what it is, it is all we have - this does not make it not noteable, just a bit irreverant! Pixicorn 14:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Again, I'm not sure why you keep bringing up other pages. If you have issues with sources on other pages, then you need to take it up at the talk pages of those wikipages, my talk page isn't the place to complain about it, nor will it give a reason to allow for bad sources in your article. Further, how the mainstream media does or does not cover your industry/sport/whatever is also not wikipedia's concern. If you don't like how the media covers it, then you need to take it up with those media outlets. I again would advise actually reading our policies surrounding notability and how it is established, because you keep making these comments to suggest that you haven't. Sulfurboy (talk) 15:46, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Joshua Cinnamo

Hi! Thank you for the feedback on my submission. I have reviewed and taken care of some citations that I mistakenly placed links on. I'd love to have you review it again and provide additional feedback should there be the necessity for it.

Thanks!

Loyal

04/13/2020 2:30p cst — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loyal122053 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

You are requested to kindly please have a look on my draft

draft: Saqib Iqbal Sham whether I am going right or not Maizbhandariya (talk) 20:09, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES

I noticed you deal a lot with NPP. It's been forever since I made a page, and standards have tightened up significantly. Is the above still considered a good rule? Because I recently copied across and modified material for a species from vi wiki that isn't yet here, it's well sourced but it's also a very short species stub. Back in the day that would've been more than enough but if things have changed I can just G7 it (took less than 10 minutes to convert) rather than wasting anyone's time. I haven't linked the draft here because I don't want it to appear like I'm trying to prioritize my own work over the massive backlog. Spectrum{{UV}} 2604:2000:8FC0:4:68BA:3B32:8613:8B6D (talk) 00:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

So, yes that is still the case. However, I tend to decline species pages that provide little or no context. That is, if the page just said "Species Randomus is in the genus and family Morandumus" and that's all, then that isn't a wiki article, that is a definition and Wikipedia is WP:NOT that. Those stub species articles typically survive AfD because other editors go in an add other stuff to the article. It's not fair to expect that of every article. Hope that clarifies. Sulfurboy (talk) 00:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

It does, thanks. Spectrum {{UV}} 2604:2000:8FC0:4:68BA:3B32:8613:8B6D (talk) 00:25, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

AFD

I apologize if you felt that the discussion was getting out of hand. I do get intense in debates but I did not intend to attack you personally, that's specifically why I said I did and do think you were acting in good intentions. Speculating on possible causes of our disagreement right after didn't help that message, I could very well be wrong about your objections too. I've made a commitment to myself that I should always try and work amicably with the people here also volunteering their time. I have added a few more sources to the AFD discussion that may change your mind. If it doesn't that's ok too, there will be others that weigh in and in the end consensus is king. I won't pester you more here, and even not return if you so wish. I will tone down my responses on the page if that helps you return to the issue at hand which I believe you and I both can solve. I've provided coverage spanning almost 100 years. It covers reviews of her roles, international tour and various mentions. Adding up she may not have superstar notability but she is definitely notable, one other piece of information was that she was a manager of someone who ended up quite famous herself. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:25, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hell in a Bucket, All good. I'm not going to come back to it unless specifically asked by another editor for clarification on it, as I prefer to making a clean break from stuff like that to prevent further arguing. And I don't care if you want to call me butthurt or whatever, but do it on my talk page. I, in fact welcome it, but it has no place under the umbrella of formality that is demanded of an AfD. Same goes with suggesting I have some sort of ulterior motive or that I'm being defensive because it was an article that was declined. I already have enough shitbird UPEs and generally (as you like to say) butthurt editors with COIs that are mad that I declined/rejected their drafts because they suggest I'm a racist/sexist/prejudiced/zionist/atheist/whateverist and don't really need to hear it from an experienced editor. Particularly, when most other AfC reviewers who have known me over the years will tell you I don't really care. Sulfurboy (talk) 03:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough and you're right you shouldn't have to endure that from another experienced editor. I've experienced some of the same in AfC mostly in the form of people who lie about who they are and why they promote themselves lol. Thanks for what you do and again, my apologies that you walked away with those feelings, our interactions in the future will be better. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:46, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Durette School

I agree that being listed on the National Register is sufficient to establish notability. It's just that the editor, FloridaArmy, is experienced enough to submit a decent article not just a one liner. Examining the references there is enough information to expand the article, covering the issues that I raised in my comments. Dan arndt (talk) 03:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Dan arndt, Oh he's experienced enough to do a lot of things, but willfully chooses not to. E.g., he's been warned by multiple reviewers about 30 times about properly formatting Gbooks sources (something I just autodecline now for them) There's a reason a lot of reviewers have just stopped looking at his articles and also a reason he now has to do all of his articles through the AfC process. However, if it unquestionably passes notability guidelines and there's no level of promotion or issue with source reliability, there's really not much that can be done. In my experience, it's better to just push it out to clear the log instead of wasting time trying to suggest improvements, as I can't recall a single time a suggestion for improvement was actually considered outside of what was needed to establish notability. Sulfurboy (talk) 03:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Its just a pain in the arse dealing with them. BTW good work on dealing with the AfC backlog. Dan arndt (talk) 03:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Olivier Varenne

Please expand and advise Rubyocean (talk) 08:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Josef Mitterer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Josef_Mitterer Thanks for your review! I have deleted the whole section on Mitterer's philosophy as you claimed it reads like an essay and is based on original research rather than secondary sources. This has also settled the one inline citation problem and hopefully makes my article now a suitable Wikipedia entry. Best Bronsky 2020 (talk) 13:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

AFC

In an effort to avoid the issues of last time, I wanted to leave you a note here first. I'm probably going to pass Draft:Charles G. Reavis. As a state senator he would have notability that would warrant a stub, I'm not sure how [[5]] this would not be considered reliable. The bar that has to be passed is WP:NPOL and they did hold a state elected office in a legislative body. Any thoughts? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 16:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hell in a Bucket, The problem isn't notability, the problem is FloridaArmy constantly refusing to properly format his references. This is one isn't as egregious as some. However one of his references just says "Evelyn Reavis Taylor Brann 2016 obituary" and the GBooks one does not cite a page. This is a constant issue with this editor. They know how to do it, but would rather churn out low quality articles instead of putting in the work, relying instead on other editor's to come behind in clean up the mess. If it were a new user I wouldn't decline on this alone. But this is an experienced editor who has been asked to correct this multiple times and just ignores those requests. FloridaArmy is already having to do all of their articles through AfC due to low quality, poorly sourced articles. They should know better. Sulfurboy (talk) 17:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

One alternative view on stubs is that they are seeds from which a nice article can grow. My own articles are not well written sadly, got 3 degrees but grammar just isn't my strong point. I like to start them small and let others come and fill in the details, kinda like framework for a house. Interesting viewpoint though, one I'll consider. I generally have a high opinion of FloridaArmy but ref formatting is simple a lot of times. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hell in a Bucket, I totally understand the the view about stubs and that is fine. I don't mind it being barebones. I do have a problem with them expecting other editors to clean up basic formatting errors in references, or their constant attempts to use unreliable sources, or things like the "Evelyn Reavis Taylor Brann 2016 obituary" (what even is that?). If you want to approve their articles without ensuring the references are in fact verifiable and correct, then make sure to tag it appropriately and/or cleanup the references that they chose not to before it goes to mainspace, particularly since many of their subjects are relatively obscure and might not see proper vetting from another editor for a long time. Sulfurboy (talk) 17:21, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I did pass it, although I did make two minor changes. I removed the source and snip about daughter (obit) and son (Unsourced). I also removed the part that he spoke on the senate floor, as a legislator that is expected and without more is ultimately no notable. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 18:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hell in a Bucket, Yeah if you want to clean up his articles before approving them, all the power to you. Just make sure you are tagging the page as a stub and for categorized as needed. The later of which is typically a problem with most articles coming out of AfC. I'm terrible at using HotCat and there's a bunch of editors who love doing that, so I don't feel bad about that being work that can be done later. Sulfurboy (talk) 18:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

publishing Review

Wikipedia Team,

A lovely day to you to today.I see you rejected my article despite all my edits and explanation.
 I am in no way "personally" associated with the subject above. I do believe wikipedia is meant to provide access to information on millions of topics also in regards to people and make background information on topics and research to be easily conducted. 
 I have in no way been biased by the information provided as sources used in the article I created are cited which allows further investigation in the subject I am writing on.
 Also Wikipedia is constantly updated by the hour and anyone can create edit and articles; people located in different parts of the world can work on the same documents even at the same time. We must concur that all articles are subject to constant changes and are work in progress;  which may not be always be in the interest of the subject.
 My article is based on the purpose of research information and not for publicity as you claim.. It is mainly for information purposes nothing more nothing less. I have truthfully spoken.

 Thereby I kindly and respectfully ask that you look into this again and publish the article in regards to the subject. Thank you for you time.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mylo1994 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Sulfurboy. You may like to know that the account that posted the message above has now been indefinitely blocked for abusing multiple accounts. JBW (talk) 19:28, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

JBW, Yeah I saw the comments on the draft talk page prior to this. Thanks for giving me a heads up though, it was just by chance I saw the comments on the talk page so it was sort of likely I wouldn't have ever noticed. Cheers Sulfurboy (talk) 20:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Phunnel

I was deciding whether to decline it with a harsh template or to reject with a harsh template and you simply rejected it. We agree. When it was previously submitted, it was an advertisement in marketing buzzspeak. They rewrote it into standard English, and it was still an advertisement. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, Yep and a cursory google search showed there was little to no hope of it meeting notability guidelines or it doing so anytime soon. Sulfurboy (talk) 20:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Barakat-Perenthaler syndrome

I accepted it. If in doubt about the standards for a medical article, I', m one of the people you could ask. DGG ( talk ) 23:32, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

DGG, I'll keep that in mind next time. My biggest concern was the entire sections of the page that had no cites which looks to be cleared up now. Sulfurboy (talk) 23:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Ferulic acid decarboxylase (Fdc)

I accepted the article. Even in the version that you saw, the context was clear enough to anyone who would be likely to be interested in the article. There are many fields I do not understand--probably including the fields for at least 3/4 of the articles submitted to WP--and I try not to review articles in them DGG ( talk ) 00:20, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

DGG, For clarification, as I understood it previously the standard is that the lead should be able to inform the uninitiated reader enough about the subject so that they do not have to open additional pages to understand it. Am I interpreting your suggestion correctly to instead view it as it should provide enough context for the type of reader who would look up the subject, not just any reader? Sulfurboy (talk) 02:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

This is impossible in many technical subjects. Most of our articles on computer sciences, mathematics and physics, and a great many of the chemical and biological sciences fail this test. It is desirable to try to write at least an introductory paragraph explaining the significance, but how can one possible explain the significance of an individual one of the tens of thousands of enzymes without in essence making it a course in biochemistry.? DGG ( talk ) 02:45, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

DGG Fair enough, in the future I'll loosen my criterion for it and consider the probable audience. Thanks. Sulfurboy (talk) 02:47, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

नेपाली उखान टुक्काहरु

Sudan Bhattarai Upadhaya (talk) 06:35, 15 April 2020 (UTC) नेपाली उखान टुक्काहरु

हाम्रो राम्रो नेपाली, मिठो नेपाली

केही प्रचलित नेपाली उखान टुक्काहरु, भाग- १। मिती:- ३ वैशाख २०७७ तदनुसार 15 April, 2020 (अष्टमी, वैशाख कृष्णपक्ष) सुदन भट्टराई उपाध्याय द्वारा संकलित।

१. आफु ताक्छ मूडो, बन्चरो ताक्छ घुँडो‌ अर्थात आफूले एउटा कुरा आँटदा् अर्कै हुनु। २. एक पन्थ दुई काज अर्थात एक प्रयत्नबाट दुइटा लाभ। ३. धोबीको कुकुर घरको न घाटको अर्थात ठाँउ-ठेगाना नभएको - कहीको पनि नहुनु। ४. लाटो देशमा गाँडो तन्नेरी अर्थात नजान्नेको माझमा अलिअलि जान्ने। ५. अकबरी सुनलाई कसी लाउनु पर्दैन अर्थात राम्रो वस्तुलाई सिगांरिरहने आवश्यकता छैन।

६. अगुल्टोले हानेको कुकुर बिजुलीदेखि तर्सिन्छ भनेको अर्थ एक चोटि चोट पाएको मान्छे सधैँ डराउँछ। 

७. अड्कोपड्को तेलको धूप अर्थ चाहिने कुरो नपाउँदा त्यस्तै अरु कुराले काम चलाउनु।

८. आकासको फल आँखा तरी मर अर्थात असम्भव कुरामा हात हाल्नु। 

९. अचानाको चोट खुकुरीले जान्दैनवा खुकुरीको मार अचानाले बिर्सदैन भनेको भोग्नेले मात्र थाहा पाँउछ। १०. आफू नमरी स्वर्ग देखिन्न तात्पर्य सास्ती नभोगी सुख पाइन्न। ११. आलु खाएर पेडाको धाक अर्थात केही नभए पनि फोस्रो रवाफ देखाउनु वा काम एउटा कुरा एउटा गर्नु। १२. इन्द्रको अगाडि स्वर्गको बयान अर्थात धेरै जान्नेको सामु नजान्नेको बयान महत्वहीन हुन्छ। १३. इलमीका भागमा माछा र मासु भनेको अर्थ इलम गर्नेलाई सुख हुन्छ। १४. उम्केको माछो ठूलो, तात्पर्य आफूले भेटन नसकेको बस्तु बेस होला भन्ने तर्कना। १५. एक थुकी सुकी, हजार थुकी नदी, को अर्थ धेरै जना मिलेर गरेको काम सफल हुन्छ। १६.एक हातमा चुल्ठो एक हातमा टुप्पी, अर्थ लोग्नेस्वास्नीका बीचमा ठूलो झगडा। १७. एक हातले ताली बज्दैन, तात्पर्य एकोहोरो कुनै काम हुन्न। १८. अोरालो लागेको मृगलाई बाच्छोले खेदछ, को अर्थ तल परेकालाई सबैले हेप्छन्।

१९. औंलो दिंदा हातनै तान्ने, को अर्थ, एक थोक दिएपछि पनि अझ सबै लिँउ भन्ने मानसिकता। 

२०. कहिले सासू त कहिले बुहारीकोपालो, भन्नुको अर्थ, मौका सबैको आँउछ।

साभार ग्रन्थकार:- पुष्करशमशेर ज. ब. राणा द्वारा राम्रो नेपाली, मिठो को “नेपाली उखान टुक्काहरु” Sudan Bhattarai Upadhaya (talk) 06:35, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Sudan Bhattarai Upadhaya, Sorry, but I only speak English. Sulfurboy (talk) 06:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC) Sudan Bhattarai Upadhaya (talk) 07:21, 15 April 2020 (UTC)dear sir.... this is a collection of nepali proverbs, which are used orally and most of them cannot be found in written form. another thing is it is almost impossible to translate this document into english as Nepali contains words and vocabularies which cannot be translated into perfect english... its like translating a doc or words whose literal meaning comes out something else, thus, i dont have any source for you to mention, so that you can take a look for verifrication. im new to this and want to contribute by putting these proverbs inside wiki so that these will not dissapear. as it is not being used much, for the future generation. thus, how must and should i do it, sir. pls do help me. Sudan Bhattarai Upadhaya (talk) 07:21, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

New page review request

Hello, dear Sulfurboy, I hope that you are well. Few of my recent page though almost fixed by one of our admins remain unreviewed. Since you've new page reviewing rights, I'm requesting you to review these articles — Zayn al-Abidin Sajjad Meerthi, Rahmatullah Mir Qasmi and Darul Uloom Raheemiyyah. Regards -- Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 07:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Lim_Yit_Min

Hi Sulfurboy, Thanks for your feedback and advice. I have made my paid contributor declaration in my user page. Apology for not making this declaration in the first place. Once again, thank you, keep well and stay healthy.

～～～～Luminosity123 (talk) 09:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Cloud Omelette

Hi,

I am not paid to write any articles nor have any interest in doing any promotional writings. The website is currently co-owned by myself.

Thought I could start my Wikipedia editing with my own website first before venturing further.

Happy to remove the page if it's violating the policies.

If you co-own the site you need to properly disclose as you have a financial stake. Please take the time to read our policies if you are going to continue paid editing and editing with a WP:COISulfurboy (talk) 14:33, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Operation Demetrius

Dear Sulfurboy

I made some modest edits to the Operation Demetrius article based on your suggestions. these edits were modest in nature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Operation_Demetrius#Why_cherry-picking_is_bad

All of these edits were rejected by FDW777. FDW777 left a range of comments in the talk section attempting to explain his rationale - I have refuted each of those and explained why my edits should remain.

I do not wish to revert back to the changes I made until a third party considers their merits first.

I would appreciate your input.

Thank you Carefulacts

Draft:Creating Canada's Best Managed Companies

Hi Sulfurboy, I would appreciate elaboration. I wrote the article because I found that the wikipedia backlog regarding requested articles included the subject. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Business_and_economics#Business. The issue of notability is derived from there. As a side note, during the research for the article, I've come to see it as notable. Its a major award in the Canadian business landscape, and companies are above proud to receive it. Moreover, candidacy for it requires the companies to undergo tedious coaching and other burdens, only to be considered.

Regarding the tone - please clarify - I have not gave any synthesized statements and have expressed zero opinion. Pratat (talk) 14:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Pratat, A subject being listed on that page does not make it notable, in fact subjects are regularly posted on that page that aren't notable. I would recommend reading over the linked policies linked in the decline message since you don't yet seem to have a solid grasp of what we mean by notability. Sulfurboy (talk) 14:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Ricardo Eichmann

Dear Sulfurboy, you rejected the draft on Ricardo Eichmann and linked the criteria for notability for academics. So far in the article I only mentioned that Eichmann is a professor, would it suffice if I mention that he's the director of the Orient department at the German Archaeological Institute? It seems to me that that would suffice the academics notability criteria (specifically point 6 "highest-level elected or appointed administrative post"). Maltimore (talk) 16:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Maltimore, No, I wouldn't believe so. 6 typically refers to whoever is the head of the institution as a whole. I would imagine that most profs at that institute have a similar title of being a director or head of some subset. It's worth a shot though, I probably would defer to another reviewer for their opinion. You can also seek clarification on the talk page of that notability guideline by making a post at Wikipedia talk:Notability (academics) Sulfurboy (talk) 16:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:The Doo Wop Shop

Hi Sulfurboy! Thank you for taking the time to review the draft for The Doo Wop Shop. Regarding notability among a cappella groups, although it is a niche audience, the a cappella community is quite a large one. Achievements such as the CARAs are like the "Grammys of A Cappella", as cheesy as it sounds. And although achievements of The Doo Wop Shop are mostly covered by local news sources, being invited to Radio City Music Hall's Christmas Spectacular and the White House Holiday Reception for service staff, as well as America's Got Talent's auditions and The Sing Off (The Sing Off was a nationally televised A Cappella program featuring top professional and scholastic groups, and was where Pentatonix got their start) is a reflection of The Doo Wop Shop's notability beyond "Boston" (the specifics of those events aren't publicized by those entities for various reasons). Obviously we aren't touting popularity that rivals Ariana Grande or other chart-topping musical artists, but I disagree that we are not notable within a large audience of people. I understand that since it is a niche audience and we don't have a large number of national references, it may seem like we lack notability, but your review was based on your limited and subjective understanding of a cappella as a community and its reaches. Would it help to add a list of notable alumni? I can reference sources that display their notability but it is difficult to find more recent sources directly pertaining to The Doo Wop Shop's recent achievements. Compared to many a cappella groups that have existing wikipedia articles, however, it seems like we exceed the standards for being a reputable a cappella group, although the a cappella community may collectively fail to meet "general notability standards". That being said, again I understand the standards that are applied to all incoming articles and I apologize if some of the above statements come off as a little charged. Can you please let me know a little bit more about what qualifies as notable, or specifically which a cappella-related sources may be useful to cite? Thank you again for your time! Patricknie7359 (talk) 8:54, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Hermann_Hess_Helfenstein

Hi Sulfurboy:

I am glad to inform, that all your observations are now incorporated in the short Biography Draft:Hermann_Hess_Helfenstein

Please, I will appreciate if you could delete the tags containing your declination.

Thanks for understanding and helping.

Regards, Ciete007

Request on 02:28:45, 16 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by ChristinaL.P.

• ChristinaL.P. (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Dina Kao (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am confused as to how I can make the subject seem more noteworthy. I used appropriate articles as references that were published (not blogs nor social media) which discuss the works that the subject has contributed to and how these have had huge impacts on the community and how important it is. I am mainly confused because I looked at other Wikipedia articles as an example (or "template") to base myself off of, and it seems quite subjective to determine that this subject is not noteworthy, whereas other published and acceptable articles I have read are of the same caliber.

ChristinaL.P. (talk) 02:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)