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Crash Course

I see you reverted my edit in MasterClass, which is alright.

What do you think about Crash Course (YouTube)? It appears to have a full list of classes. I was wondering if there's any difference between the notability of MasterClass and Crash Course.

If the MasterClass classes are unwanted, I guess maybe the Crash Course classes should be deleted as well, based on a possible lack of sources / references / notability. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 13:23, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree in theory but that article is sufficiently different and out of my realms of expertise and experience that I'm not going to make that edit. More specifically, that article seems more line with an article about a television show or YouTube series than an educational organization with a list of courses. The norms for those kinds of articles are pretty different. ElKevbo (talk) 16:32, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Endowment thing

OK, you do your thing for a while, then I will try to make the page right. I have been adding a lot of data today, and mistakes happen. Cheers, --Smokefoot (talk) 00:03, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Smokefoot: Go ahead - I'm done! If you plan on reverting any of my edits, please open a discussion in Talk. ElKevbo (talk) 00:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am planning to insert the dollars/enrollee table. If you have any suggestions, lets keep the conversation on the talk page. In terms of your involvement, it would be nice to have someone else interested in the page aside from me. Usually the only folks that edit are trying to puff up their fav school.--Smokefoot (talk) 00:24, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't recommend restoring that unless you can also resolve the template that you yourself added a few months ago (which probably involves checking every reference in that section). Your recent removal of public institutions from that list is also very problematic and would have to be discussed, too.
And apologies for the inadvertent edit warring and confusion earlier; I didn't see that you were also making edits at the same time. ElKevbo (talk) 00:29, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deweyism

Thanks for the revision, didn't realize "Deweyism" is not a previously coined term. What should be done about this then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deweyism? Also, apologies for the undo in the edits, I am getting used to Wikipedia's UI.

Tacogamer20 (talk) 00:34, 2 February 2020 (UTC)Tacogamer20[reply]

@Tacogamer20: I'm going to assume that if we have an article that's more than a few years old then the term is established so my assumption that it's a neologism is mistaken. It might be worth looking further into the history and sources cited in the article to be sure of this but I have other priorities so I'm not going to do that myself.
No worries about the revert! I think we have it all sorted out. ElKevbo (talk) 00:36, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@ElKevbo: No, I think you are correct, "Deweyism" is not a term used outside the sole Wikipedia article I found. John Dewey himself did not use the term in his works, nor does the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Who would I talk to about renaming or deleting the "Deweyism" article? User:Tacogamer20
This is the process you'd want to use to nominate the article for deletion. I'd first look to see what material can be merged into John Dewey. ElKevbo (talk) 03:27, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Grammatical rejoinder

Hi there. The expression 'The Medieval University' does not refer to one, singular university but to a generic archetype. In other words, it refers to the phenomenon of the Medieval University generally not any specific instance of it. all the best. 82.27.90.157 (talk) 15:58, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would not refer to "The Medieval University" but to "a medieval university." The former is too strong of an implication e.g., uniformity, consistent organization. ElKevbo (talk) 16:16, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scandals

Re the latest revision to Cape Fear Community College "Scandals," the second-to-last paragraph is libelous material (against Wikipedia's policy) and a POV-statement. Many of these sources are unreputable and bias. How would you recommend trimming this down? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.85.236.234 (talk • contribs) 08:34, February 4, 2020 (UTC)

I'll look at it again but my recollection of that material isn't that it's "libelous" or that any of the sources are bad ones (I recall there really being one source that used multiple times, an investigative report by a local news channel). I recommend not using words like "libel" or "slander" in discussions as Wikipedia editors are very sensitive to perceived or potential legal threats; I don't think you're making any threats, I'm just cautioning you that some editors are very sensitive to this and our policy requires us to block editors who make legal threats.
My impression of that section of the article is that it's simply too long and detailed; some details can probably be removed or summarized to make the section shorter without altering its meaning. ElKevbo (talk) 20:28, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Abilene Christian University

On my recent edit to Abilene Christian University I inadvertently changed a bit more than I intended. Thanks for fixing it! If you sincerely did not understand my edit caption, please review the history as it should be very obvious. If you had another motivation for your edit caption, please refer to WP:CIVIL. Thanks.Jacona (talk) 13:20, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Cleanup Barnstar

The Cleanup Barnstar
As a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities, I've seen the work by ElKevbo (talk · contribs) to cleanup COI/Promotion and other general cleanup on many of the project's articles. Thanks for your dedication and diligent work! Bhockey10 (talk) 20:51, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Duke COI

For what it's worth, the bulk of the edits are coming from Singapore. This puzzled me for a few moments, until I followed one of the IPs to Duke–NUS Medical School. It may not merit a template, but I've opened a report at ANI. Thanks and cheers, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 00:56, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Editing from Multiple Locations

Hi,

Is it a violation of wikipedia policy to edit from different IPs? That seems quite unreasonable. People who are on the move are obviously going to be logging into the internet from different places... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.74.237.226 (talk) 06:54, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No. But it can sometimes be confusing or concerning for other editors if they cannot easily distinguish between (a) one unregistered editor who is accidentally or incidentally using different IP addresses (which is allowed) and (b) one unregistered editors using different IP addresses to pretend to be multiple editors (which is not allowed). ElKevbo (talk) 15:15, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'll attempt to limit my responses to the article talk page and the ANI report, but there are broader issues here, including a persistent promotional slant and no attempts by any of the accounts involved to divulge a conflict of interest. By the way, at my talk page this claim was made [1], so I'm not sure what, or who, we're asked to believe. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:28, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have been editing from 119.74.237.226 and the other account. My intention is not to deliberately mislead anybody. I just happen to be in different places when I make my edits. When I referred to not having another account, I meant multiple named/verified accounts. I didn't realize that different IPs would be regarded as different accounts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.74.237.226 (talk) 21:32, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Phi Sigma

Hello ElKevbo. Regarding your recent edit to the University of Wisconsin-Platteville page. Thank you for that. I had just noticed that Phi Sigma group, and the error that had a Wikilink to another similarly-named society. I'd planned to make the same change today, but you got to it first. Do you have a connection with them, or was this just a random edit? Jax MN (talk) 22:57, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have a few thousand articles on my watchlist with nearly all of them being U.S. colleges or universities. ElKevbo (talk) 01:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Duke Edits

ElKevbo if you would like to discuss edits to Duke University page further I'd be happy to. I do not see why adding US rankings, and comparing it to its peer schools, constitutes POV or promotion. You can look at other prestigious university pages and see that it is not uncommon.

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Barnstar

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For dealing with all the online university nonsense that's spreading more than the virus. Natureium (talk) 00:36, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely second the thanks. Do you want to know how I was able to protect 20+ university articles so quickly yesterday? I simply followed you around, and you led me to all the hot spots! Please keep up the good work. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:53, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. This is a good distraction my normal job at the moment. I have nearly all of the articles about U.S. colleges and universities on my watchlist so it's quick and easy to see these edits and revert them if appropriate. Please let me know if I make any mistakes as I am dipping in and out of this pretty quickly right now! ElKevbo (talk) 16:11, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Fuller Theological Seminary

Hello. Could you please provide a reason for your your unexplained change to my recent edit on the Fuller Theological Seminary article. It is my understanding that articles are normally expected to include the nationality of people and organisations which are the article's subject in the opening sentence. Thank you. Afterwriting (talk) 07:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) For things (such as a school), we don't need to state it is "American" as that is self evident from the fact it is in California. However, you do need to state the location completely. You've omitted "United States". BTW, "American" does not mean "from the United States." It means from the Americas, either North or South. John from Idegon (talk) 10:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@John from Idegon : Except that in common usage "American" nearly always is understood to actually mean "from the United States" and not just anywhere in the Americas. Which is why biographical articles about people from the "United States" (which also, to be equally pedantic, does not necessarily mean the "United States of America") are just called "American". Afterwriting (talk) 04:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I extend the same logic - the country is obvious from the (linked) city and state - to the (desired) omission of "United States" but if you or others disagree then I'm fine with it being added. If you feel strongly about this, note that nearly every article about a U.S. college or university also omits the country in the lede sentence. ElKevbo (talk) 12:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is only "obvious" to an American (of the USA variety). Afterwriting (talk) 04:52, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear ElKevbo, I noticed that you took down the "In Popular Culture" section I added to Loyola MD's Wikipedia page, where I mentioned that a character on HBO's "The Wire" attended it in the drama series. I understand that it is only one example of a popular culture reference, and the reference never directly plays into the plot of the TV series; however, I included it both because "The Wire" is a well-known TV show and because I noticed that the Wikipedia page for the relevant character, Jimmy McNulty, indicates that he attended Loyola. I personally don't see the harm in including this Popular Culture section, except maybe for the fact that there is only one instance listed. if you have any more questions, please let me know. Enjoy your evening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeoGar2 (talk • contribs) 00:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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U of P

I saw your removal of the edit to the University of Pennsylvania page and the use of "U of P". While I was NOT the editor, I thought that you might like to review some of this University links that use the "U of P" term:

http://writing.upenn.edu/wh/calendar/0801.html

https://www.facilities.upenn.edu/maps/art/peace-symbol

http://dla.library.upenn.edu/dla/archives/image.html?id=ARCHIVES_20060428010&

https://archives.upenn.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/19720609fac.pdf - uses U. of P.

https://www.facilities.upenn.edu/sites/default/files/pdfs/penn_campus_map_download.pdf

https://archives.upenn.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/upb7_42.pdf

Wa3frp (talk) 03:16, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Does anyone outside of the university use the abbreviation? ElKevbo (talk) 11:46, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I could do some research in the archives of the local newspapers, ie.e the Philadelphia Bulletin and Philadelphia Inquirer, if you need that additional data.

Wa3frp (talk) 15:30, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I did some additional research in the Library of Congress ( https://www.loc.gov/ ) and found that the term "U of P" is pretty widespread, even outside of the Philadelphia area. I can send you a .pdf from the "New York Journal" from 1899 that shows that this usage is not just a recent practice. Wa3frp (talk) 17:47, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If the abbreviation only has limited usage - historical, very local, etc. - then it shouldn't be included in the lede sentence; that shouldn't only include very prominent abbreviations that readers are likely to frequently encounter. If it's primarily of historical interest, then perhaps it's worth including in the article history section(s). ElKevbo (talk) 19:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting retort! I show extensive usage both local and regional and you say "very local". I show usage over a period of century including recent usage and you say "historical". Why don't you just say that this is your article about Penn and that you refuse to change?? On the same note, "UPENN" is of recent origin and only since the University technical staff decided on www.upenn.edu for the Internet. Perhaps, it's worth including an article in the history section on "UPENN" as well as the "U of P"!!! Wa3frp (talk) 03:46, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You've jumped from "editor removed one unsourced and undiscussed edit" directly to "editor owns the article and refuses to allow anyone else to edit it!" rather quickly. If you think there is sufficient evidence and this is critically important for readers then feel free to add it; I'm not terribly invested in this. ElKevbo (talk) 04:22, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You really have become a bully here. It seems that NO justification can be made for U of P even though my citations are real. Would you like me to get something from Amy on University of Pennsylvania letterhead for you? Wa3frp (talk) 17:19, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First, I didn't revert your edit; someone else did. Second, who is Amy? Do you have a connection to the subject of this article? ElKevbo (talk) 17:36, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
True - similar, but different, editor name. So sorry. I can assume that you have little or no affiliation with the University of Pennsylvania (Alumni, Faculty, Staff or Student). Amy is Amy Gutmann, seemingly well known both inside and outside of the University of Pennsylvania Wa3frp (talk) 18:06, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I could become "invested" in this. On secondary schools, I see "xHS" (where x= one of the 26 capitalized English letters) bolded (presumably as an alternate name) frequently. It's silly. Clearly "HHS" is not a unique identity for anything. I doubt even "XHS" would be (Xavier or Xenia?). "UofP" may be a common or even frequent name for whatever the school you're talking about, but it in no way is unique. In another region it means something different. Prime example would be "U of M". There's probably sufficient COMMONNAME argument for a redirect under that title to University of Michigan. However, people from Minnesota will forever disagree. Adding these localisms to the articles serves to confuse, not inform. John from Idegon (talk) 18:40, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the MOS technically requires abbreviations to be bolded in the lede when those abbreviations are also the target of redirections. But it's also become common practice to bold abbreviations for the subject of the article in the lede regardless of whether they're used as redirects; it may be legitimate to challenge that practice as out of step with the MOS or see if the MOS needs to be updated to reflect this common practice.
I can't recall any project-wide discussions of which abbreviations should or must be introduced in the lede sentence of articles about colleges, universities, or schools. If my recollection of the MOS is correct then there has been broader discussion at least of the titles of redirects. But I don't know of other explicit discussions e.g., only include contemporary abbreviations, we must include abbreviations used in that specific article. ElKevbo (talk) 17:41, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WGU

I have no intention of editing other colleges. Brick-and-mortar schools that are well-known don't have to "worry" about being confused with for-profits. WGU is still a relatively unknown school, and wholly online, so please let the nonprofit descriptor stand. Also, if you look at the lead for Cornell, you will see it is described as a "private and statutory" Ivy League. If Cornell can be described using two terms, then WGU can be described as a "private and nonprofit" online, and indeed that has been in the lead for ~8 years. Thanks. 47.152.195.20 (talk) 17:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cornell is unique in being a private institution that has a public (land-grant) component; there's even a footnote in the article that explicitly explains that. There is nothing unique about WGU's status as a private, non-profit university. Should we also clarify that it employs professors and enrolls students, too? ElKevbo (talk) 18:03, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is obvious that the school employs faculty and enrolls students. I contend that it is not obvious that an online school is nonprofit. How many 100% online universities can we name? How many of those are nonprofits? I contend WGU is rare in this regard. 47.152.195.20 (talk) 18:54, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that's actually a good point. ElKevbo (talk) 19:46, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for understanding and keeping that particular clarification in the lede, ElKevbo! 47.152.195.20 (talk) 21:34, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WT:HED discussion

Hi, as you know there is an ongoing discussion on WT:HED. I'm not bringing anything up here to discuss the issue at hand, but I do want to try and keep this WP:FUN. Your experienced contribution to the consensus is valued (by me at least, but more importantly by you I hope), however, I feel like it might help if you didn't let others make you forget what goes along with WP:CIVIL: WP:DFFWF WP:BAIT WP:COOL Shadowssettle(talk) 23:00, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tolerating or ignoring bullying and harassment is not a virtue. ElKevbo (talk) 22:58, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Neither is not WP:AGF. You can jump the gun and bring up personal attacks, or you can wait for people to take a breath and see how they respond Shadowssettle(talk) 23:00, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Response to your post

My apologies if this isn't the correct way to respond; feel free to delete if it isn't.

You sent a message to me regarding disclosure as a paid writer, in reference to edits I made to the Great Oaks Career Campuses page. I believe I followed the instructions you gave me (I am an employee of Great Oaks Career Campuses, so I assume that falls under the requirement to disclose) to put that notice on my userpage. I appreciate your message, your help, and your patience as I am new to this! Thanks. Jon Weidlich (talk) 14:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jon Weidlich: Thanks! There's a template that we use to note connected contributors who edit a specific article and I've added that to Talk:Great Oaks Career Campuses. Moving forward, I recommend caution in editing that article and others related to it; please consider posting suggestions and requests in Talk for other editors to review and implement. But otherwise I think you're good - thanks so much for understanding our approach and contributing to Wikipedia! ElKevbo (talk) 14:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@ElKevbo: Thanks! I appreciate your help! 184.54.192.144 (talk) 15:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The Trials of Galileo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jacoblf#Help_me%21_%5BOTRS_Ticket_Number%5D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacoblf (talk • contribs) 10:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism of Western Governors University

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