Talk:The Holocaust in France

Definition of Death camps necessary?

Regarding this edit [1]. Why do we need to define "Death camps" in this article when a link to the dedicated article is just fine? Is it really necessary to define every concept in this article? Do we have to make a paragraph to define what Holocaust is or what France is ? I think we need to stop that "Ilha das Flores" absurdity [2]. Blaue Max (talk) 07:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

There's is a difference between concentration camps and death camps and properly defining here avoids potential for confusion.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:14, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

French Jews were sent both to concentration camps AND death camps, thanks for pointing out this mistake in the article. Links to both articles are just fine. No need to define in this article what a concentration camp is and what a death camp is. Blaue Max (talk) 06:45, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Actually, if you look at the source, it does show that the vast majority, 73k out of 75k, were sent to death camps, not concentration camps.Volunteer Marek (talk) 08:13, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Maybe the majority were sent to death camps but a significant number were sent to concentration camps (Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, Sachsenhausen...), according to Serge and Beate Klarsfeld's Mémorial de la déportation des Juifs de France (1979). So your last edit [3] is misleading and will be undone. I suggest to define concentration camps in this article to avoid any confusion. I suggest also to define Nazi Germany, as we can not take the risk that one reader may confused it with current Germany. Ok, I was ironic, but that Ilha das Flores non-sense must stop. Blaue Max (talk) 08:25, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

My edit is based on the very source you provided - out of 75K, 73K were sent to death camps. Please stop edit warring, you've broken 3RR on this article already.Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:51, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes and about 2,000 were sent to concentration camps, it deserves to be noted. Now, do we need to define concentration camps as well? What about defining in this article what Nazi Germany was? Have you any argument in favour of this nonsense? Blaue Max (talk) 20:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

French citizens vs aliens

The vast majority of French Jews survived WWII. Most of the Jews who were deported from France and murdered in the extermination camps were foreign nationals living in France. This fact should be noted in the article. Steeletrap (talk) 06:06, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Editing the number of Jews in the Metropole or continental France

I think I understand now what is the talk page. I would like to respond to Rich who reversee my editing regarding the number of Jews in France, where I specified "Metropolitan France" or "mainland France" . Here what I wrote to him, which may be of interest to everybody:

In fact, it would be more correct to write: About 300,000 Jews lived in continental France. ... 77,000 ...

1. Why "about:" As Poznanski stated the French republic didn't do census based on religion/ethnicity; so most historians write "about ...)

2. I know that many historians write that there were about 300,000 Jews in France. But, as Charles de Gaulle and others specified in books about history of France and Holocaust:

France is the Third Republic, comprised of la Metropole/Metropolitan France, and France d'Outre-mer (over-seas).

Poznanski specifies that, when she uses the term Vichy metropolitaine, which leads to "Vichy Tunisia" (as used by the historical Tunisian archives), Vichy Algeria and Vichy Morocco. The three departments, 91, 92, 93, in French Algerianwere an integral part of the French Republic or "France" - term more familiar.

In fact, I read a source that counts the about 100,000 Jews in French Algeria, where, unlike in continental France, all its Jews were French citizens, which provides a total of about 400,000 Jews.

Kaspi states that there were 700,000 Jews in the French soil.

Wiki does not have to promote false views of "France" limited to the Metropole, especially when Poznanski, Berg, Petain and the Nazi regime didn't think so, and it does not reflect the historical realities of the period.

Do I make sense? Thank you.Henia Perlman (talk) 21:16, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

See Also Section

There were other mass killing events that occured in French territories in around this time period. Tho not fitting the description of "holocaust in france", I believe a link to those pages would paint a whole picture of the state of affairs during this period in history. Those edits seem to have received negative reception Yule Msee (talk) 13:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Yule Msee, thanks for finally engaging on talk. I explained my own objections to your edits before. However, to summarise:

• MOS:SEEALSO permits only articles that "should reflect the links that would be present in a comprehensive article on the topic" in the See also section and personally I do not think this is the case;
• Your use of the term "genocide" in the edits to characterise the two events is WP:FRINGE at best and probably WP:POV;
• Their choice to include these articles appears to draw a comparison or connection with the Holocaust which is also WP:POV and WP:UNDUE.

I hope that makes my objection clear. —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:36, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

::I agree with Piron, little to no relation to Holocaust in France.--KasiaNL (talk) 07:54, 11 May 2020 (UTC) (banned sock puppet - [4] GizzyCatBella🍁 19:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)