Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Tolon

Kamil Tolon

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Not PD and probably cross-wiki creation spam Hulalup (talk) 00:33, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There are plenty of references in the article, including several in the national dailies Sabah and Hürriyet. He may not seem terribly interesting but multiple reliable independent sources think otherwise. Mccapra (talk) 02:03, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Mccapra: If you know Turkish or know someone who does it might help to list the relevant articles. Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Basic_criteria states: "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Generally if this is the case, the guy is notable. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 02:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 02:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Engineering-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 02:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I can read Turkish. If I have time this evening I will go through and describe all the sources provided. I haven’t examined them all yet but my sense is that this is an unusual article in that the subject seems very famous for not very much - basically re-inventing the washing machine, as far as I can see. So ultimately the question for us may be what we do if lots of good Turkish sources talk about this as a great achievement, while the rest of the world is left scratching their heads.

And that's fine if the sources are all in Turkish: reliable sources may be in any language. See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English_sources WhisperToMe (talk) 09:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Ok this is what I have. He appears to be the a Turkish equivalent of Herbert William Hoover or James Dyson. His role as the founder of a major Turkish white goods brand isn’t clearly spelled out in the article. The sources are:

1. Substantial in depth piece by independent journalist in national daily newspaper

2. Ditto though the article is mostly about the company. Nevertheless clearly supports notability

3. YouTube video, discounted for notability

4. 5. 6. 7. 12. 18. Biography by the Bursa Chamber of Commerce, of which Tolon was a founder. It is certainly substantial and in depth. Independent in the sense that a long dead man didn’t influence its content, but not what we’d call independent scholarship.

8. 13. A book I can’t access. Looks similar to the previous one - celebratory account.

9. Is about the firm not its founder so doesn’t have a bearing on notability

10. Mentions the subject but mostly about the factory building

11. Significant coverage. I’m not familiar with Ekohaber but it doesn’t look like a junk source to me.

14. Can’t access this but it looks like probably a fairly minor mention. No opinion on the source itself.

15. Can’t access but likely to be mainly about the factory with relatively little coverage of the man

16. Quote about the subject by his grandson. Disregarding for notability.

17. List confirming he was chamber of commerce president. Irrelevant for notability.

Overall looks to me like notability is established. Mccapra (talk) 21:06, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]