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Category:Seven Sister States

Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT of Category:Northeast India. The only content is the eponymous articles and categories of these seven states. Seven Sisters is an alternate expression sometimes used to refer to Northeast India, as explained e.g. in Northeast India § Seven Sister States. There if therefore very little potential content that would not fit in Northeast India categories. Place Clichy (talk) 22:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish American basketball people

Nominator's rationale: Recent category (25 April 2020) which largely overlaps existing categories such as Category:Jewish basketball players, Jewish men's basketball players or Jewish women's basketball players, most of which are already American (or Israeli). Also, the scope is less clear, mentioning basketball "people" while parent categories use "basketball players". Place Clichy (talk) 22:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Redirects from CAS Numbers

Nominator's rationale: Correct the capitalisation of this and {{R from CAS Number}}. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

American television stations by former network affiliation

Nominator's rationale: Categories grouping television stations on a former characteristic that isn't a useful or defining grouping. Affiliate stations can drop a network affiliation and reaffiliate with another network almost literally at will, and even owned and operated stations can very easily be sold to different owners, so it's not useful to categorize television stations by former network affiliations that they don't carry anymore -- that can lead to extreme category bloat, because stations have sometimes been affiliated with numerous different networks over the course of their histories. Even after having randomly spotchecked just four articles, I've already found one station (KELO-TV) which is catted in four of these at the same time, and one (KULR-TV) which is catted in five of them — and at least in theory, it would be within the realm of possibility for a station to have to be catted in all 12 of them. So for the same reasons that we don't categorize radio or television stations by past owners or radio stations by dropped formats, we categorize television stations only for their current (or last, in the case of a defunct station) network affiliation, and don't pile on extra categories for past ones. No objection to listifying if desired, but this isn't the category system's job. Bearcat (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Former CBC Television stations

Nominator's rationale: Category grouping television stations (and some "lists of transmitters" that are really just redirects to television stations) on a former characteristic that isn't a useful or defining grouping. Affiliate stations can drop a network affiliation and reaffiliate with another network almost literally at will, and even owned and operated stations can very easily be sold to different owners, so it's not useful to categorize television stations by former network affiliations that they don't carry anymore -- that can lead to extreme category bloat, because stations have sometimes been affiliated with numerous different networks over the course of their histories. So for the same reasons that we don't categorize radio or television stations by past owners or radio stations by dropped formats, we categorize television stations only for their current (or last, in the case of a defunct station) network affiliation, and don't pile on extra categories for past ones.
And for an even more concrete example of why this is not a good idea, there are stations in here (CHCH-DT, frex) that literally haven't been CBC-affilated since the 1960s, and thus aren't permanently defined by that association.
The argument that this should be kept because we do this in the United States, which is likely to be attempted by the creator of this, also does not wash: the similar categories that exist for the United States were virtually all created within the past few months by the same person who created this one, and consensus was always against this in the past for precisely the reasons I outlined above. So it's not that this needs to be kept because similar categories also exist for the American networks -- it's that the American categories also need to be deleted for the same reasons, although I'll be batching them in a separate discussion. Bearcat (talk) 20:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nizams Dominion

Nominator's rationale: Another subcat of Category:Nizams of Hyderabad by the same (blocked) editor as the two below, this one contains a city, two regions, and four former regions. Presumably these correspond to the territory formerly ruled by the Nizam of Hyderabad. I'm not sure what should be done with the category; open to the option of deletion. – Fayenatic London 20:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nizams Special Soldiers

Nominator's rationale: The category contains one page on a military leader, one army, one community, and two neighbourhoods. It is not clear how this category is useful for navigation between related topics. – Fayenatic London 20:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:(Nizams) Asaf Jahi Dynasty

Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination; opposed speedy. The category contains the 7 Nizams of the Asaf Jahi dynasty. The renaming was opposed by Gonnym (talk · contribs) on the Speedy page without stating a rationale. – Fayenatic London 20:18, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Redirects from nicknames

Nominator's rationale: This empty category is covering the same topic as the non-empty newly created one. Template:R from nickname should also be retargeted to Template:R from colloquial name. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Political figures of Richmond, California

Nominator's rationale: Standard is Politicians from X. Nominated to match the rest of the tree. User:Namiba 18:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Redirect category templates

Nominator's rationale: The name does not really resemble the use of the category. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Three Rivers Community College (Missouri)

Nominator's rationale: School was renamed; C2D. SportsGuy789 (talk) 17:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Adams State College alumni

Nominator's rationale: Adams State College was renamed to Adams State University in 2015. The precedent is to use schools' modern names for all historical alumni. 71.56.244.35 (talk) 14:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Meadowbrook Polo Club

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 13:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous single-page category. Wire723 (talk) 12:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Death of George Floyd

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 13:22, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: While I could imagine putting this in Speedy renaming after the article was moved from Death of George Floyd to Killing of George Floyd, I expect some editors will want to debate it. That said, if an admin decides it should be renamed in two days per C2D, that is certainly fine with me.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 12:17, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Italian drama road moves

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: has been speedily renamed (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Typo. Errix (talk) 10:07, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Scotty Emerick songs

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 13:24, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Single member of the category is a redirect. Provides no help to readers. Richhoncho (talk) 09:59, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Shelly Fairchild songs

Nominator's rationale: Single member of category which is also a redirect. No help or assistance to readers. Richhoncho (talk) 09:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Holocaust plays

Nominator's rationale: The current title is somewhat ambiguous and the 'about X' name is common anyway if you look at the Category:Plays by topic. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:00, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sexual orientation and society

Nominator's rationale: "Sexual orientation" mostly applies to the L, G, and B and is a subset of LGBT. "LGBT and society" makes more sense as a parent category, not a child of this one. But this one contains some LGBT subcategories and articles that go beyond the scope of just sexual orientation. Given that many but not all articles span both, it's probably most natural just to merge up into "LGBT and society". -- Beland (talk) 03:37, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Films by demographic audience

Option A
Option B
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories for the same purpose, i.e. films for children/teens/adults. In case option B is preferred, other categories may be renamed as well: Animation by demographic, Animated television series by demographic, Television series by demographic, Anime and manga by demographic, Japanese manga magazines by demographic, Categories by demographics. Place Clichy (talk) 08:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Oxudercinae

Nominator's rationale: Categories both contain Mudskippers. Lymantria (talk) 12:16, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Mudskipper and Oxudercinae are not synonymous, all of the mudskippers are members of the subfamily but not all of the members of the subfamily are called mudskippers, some are called gobies and many don't have common names.Quetzal1964 (talk) 19:24, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Transformers: Chojin Masterforce character redirects to lists

Nominator's rationale: Transformers: Chojin Masterforce redirects to Transformers: Super-God Masterforce, so the category should be renamed accordingly. Morriswa (Charlotte Allison) (talk) 05:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Plovers

Nominator's rationale: This category puts a bird that is usually not found near bodies of water under Category:Shorebirds.  The articles are all in more appropriate categories (e.g. Category:Charadriinae). DexDor (talk) 12:44, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The 4 articles are already in scientifically-named categories so no merge is necessary. Categories using scientific names are generally better than those using common names as they are more clearly defined and form a complete non-overlapping set. A non-specialist can go to the Plover article and from there go to the (scientifically-named) category (or just use normal hyperlinks to other articles). DexDor (talk) 19:33, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS re reverse merge - it should be noted that the interwiki links are generally on the scientifically-named categories (e.g. Category:Plovers has 1, Category:Charadrius has over 20). DexDor (talk) 05:32, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Houses in Lynnfield, Massachusetts

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to category:Houses in Essex County, Massachusetts. Small category (2 articles) for a small town. User:Namiba 14:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also nominating:

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The format is certainly poor as Marcocapelle pointed out; the rationale says they are all to be merged with Category:Houses in Essex County, Massachusetts. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Language of countries

Nominator's rationale: merge/rename/delete, the categories initially stroke me as oddly-named because the "of country" format almost suggests that languages are owned by countries. In fact for all of them more natural merge or rename targets are possible, as indicated. These container categories may have been created in order to make it more explicit that expatriate content is also allowed, but the articles are in a language subfolder which allows expatriate content anyway. So if that was behind it, it was a nice thought but not effective. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If merged, the primary target for the first one should not be as nominated, but matching the current name without the country, I.e. Category:Mass media by language of India to Category:Mass media by language – as it is currently a diffusing sub-cat of the latter. Manual merging and further work would also be needed re other parents.
As for the nominated target Category:Mass media in India by language, it is currently used for "mass media in India by medium and language". If we want a category for "mass media in India by language and medium", whether merged into the former or kept separate, some of the language categories would require splitting into India-specific sub-cats, N.B. Tamil (also covers Sri Lanka, Malaysia and sundry others) and Urdu (Pakistan as well as India). This has been partly done e.g. for newspapers – see the sub-cats of the newspaper category nominated above. – Fayenatic London 18:43, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's not 'by language and medium' - Category:Mass media in India by language will necessarily contain the subcat Category:Newspapers published in India by language. Oculi (talk)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Canada's Sports Hall of Fame inductees

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
The Canada's Sports Hall of Fame recognizes Canadian athletes for their performance much earlier in their lives. This category groups athletes from different sports and different eras in one large category while the articles are already well grouped under their respective sports which better aid navigation: Gordie Howe is in 16 hockey categories, Barbara Wagner is in 13 skating & Olympic cats, and Ferguson Jenkins is in 29 baseball cats. This award tends to get mentioned in a list with other awards, although there are exceptions where it's in the lede or omitted entirely, so it doesn't seem generally defining. The contents of the category are already listified at List of members of Canada's Sports Hall of Fame. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jack Kirby Hall of Fame inductees

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
The Jack Kirby Hall of Fame was an award from 1989 to 2001 named after Jack Kirby that recognized long careers as comic book artists. Like most halls of fame, this award reflects the fame of people that are already prominent in their profession and isn't defining. That's reflected in the articles where this award is generally listed in passing with other hall of fame inductions (Over the course of a weekend, one enthusiastic editor moved that awards paragraph to the intro for about half of these articles though.) The contents of the category are already listified here for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD
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