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Toxicology results for Grant

I was surprised to not see the results of any toxicology tests for Grant, but one for Mehserle. That information should be included. I would be interested in people's opinions as to where it should be added. Here is a source: "Toxicology testing of Oscar Grant’s blood revealed the presence of alcohol 0.02 grams% and the presence of the drug Fentanyl. (Discovery p. 690) Fentanyl is described as a highly addictive, strong narcotic pain reliever." If anyone has a better source, feel free to bring it to my attention. Bricology (talk) 07:21, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why should we accept your premise that it should be included? How is it encyclopedic? Critical Chris—Preceding undated comment added at 01:11, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Release of the Report of the Independent Investigation by the Meyers Nave law firm

Apparently, the Report of the independent investigation conducted by the Meyers Nave law firm, which was presented to BART on July 31, 2009, was released recently (May 2019). The Report seems to contradict two of the points made by the two officers involved in the shooting.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Ex-BART-cop-said-he-was-fighting-for-my-13812158.php

The report apparently contradicts the claim of arresting officer Anthony Pirone that he was "fighting for his life" as well as the claim of the officer who shot Oscar Grant that he thought he was firing a Taser. A copy of the 103 page Report is available with the article (and elsewhere). Footnote 5 on "page 8" of the Report says that based upon "a close viewing of the enhanced video," "the conclusion can be made ... that he was intending to pull his firearm and not his Taser, as he can be seen trying to draw it at least two (2) times and on the final occasion can be seen looking back at his hand on the gunholster [sic] to watch the gun come out." Furthermore, the paragraph concludes that at the moment he is shot, "the video clearly depicts Oscar Grant with two hands on his back in the handcuffing position." It's not clear that the shooting officer was consciously intending (in the legal sense) to shoot Oscar Grant, but the jury apparently was not aware of this analysis since as testimony in the trial may have concluded before the prosecution knew of the Report's conclusion and analysis.Ileanadu (talk) 04:58, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 June 2020

The request to rename this article to Killing of Oscar Grant has been carried out.

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Shooting of Oscar Grant → Killing of Oscar Grant – The officer in this case was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. At the very least that means Oscar Grant was killed. The title should indicate that. The fact that he was killed is the most notable fact and should be favored since COMMONNAME is a tie. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 17:37, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: As far as I know, Wikipedia consistently uses "Shooting of" for articles about non-murder deaths by shooting, and the vast majority of the people discussed in the "Shooting of" articles were killed. Note that there are no uses of "Killing of" in Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United States. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:40, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support: per nom. The fact that he died, and the circumstances of his death are the reason the article exists. The title should reflect what happened: he was killed. If the only argument against is the existing consistency of other articles, that consistency can be maintained by changing all of them (except those in which the victim didn't die). ThunderBacon (talk) 09:51, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per BarrelProof and per WP:CONSISTENT. There are 266 entries under Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United States and, unless there is a mass renaming of all such entries to "Killing of..." or "Fatal shooting of...", it would not be useful to single out individual article main title headers for renaming while hundreds of analogous headers remain unchanged. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 06:24, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, mostly per the above. I think, given the large amount of "shooting of" articles, this is probably more suited to an RfC than standalone RMs, which is bound to create exceptions. Nohomersryan (talk) 05:03, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, primarily because the officer was acquitted. There was not enough evidence it was an intentional killing. Core2012 14:01, 9 June 2020 (UTC)