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Vowels — «Inherited as open or close»

In the phonology section it's said that [o] and [ɔ] are inherited. But from where? The examples are locu [ˈlogu] 'place' and notte [ˈnɔtɛ] 'night'. Yet they go back to Latin LŎCUM and NŎCTEM, which regularly developed to [ˈlwɔgo] (ancient: [ˈlɔco], then diphthongised in open syllable) and [ˈnɔtːe] in Tuscan. So where can the close vowel in [ˈlogu] be inherited from?(I'm generally rather doubtful as the vowel description is concerned.) --Galtzaile (talk) 16:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what was meant by the "inherited" comment, but you're right: stressed /o/ and /ɔ/ in Corsica are generally reversed from what would be expected. 47.32.20.133 (talk) 18:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Corsican has been regarded as a dialect of Italian"

Corsican has been regarded as a dialect of Italian historically, similar to the Romance lects developed on the Italian peninsula

This is problematic in numerous ways. I've been engaged in Romance linguistics for a bit more than forty years, and I don't recall anyone knowledgeable ever referring to Corsican as a dialect of Italian, nor to the Romance lects of the peninsula as dialects of Italian.

The most obvious glitch is that the Romance lects on the Italian peninsula simply are not and are not regarded as dialects of Italian. Perhaps the statement above stems from conflating the ambiguity of the term "Italian dialects", which can mean 'dialects of Italian' or 'dialects of Italy'? The Romance lects of Italy, known in Italian as dialetti, are (geographically, and usually typologically) dialects of Italy; they are not in any way variants of Italian. Most Corsican lects are typologically Italian, but Italian there refers to linguistic features common to the local indigenous Romance lects of Central Italy (dialetti toscani, or more broadly, dialetti dell'Italia centrale). 47.32.20.133 (talk) 19:10, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Nonsense. The following expert on Corsica has no problems with admitting that Corsican is an Italian dialect: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HLp4NHrtwwQ

The fact of the matter is, that if Corsica was an Italian province instead of a French, nobody would talk about a “Corsican language” but rightfully refer to it as an Italian dialect.

192.38.142.212 (talk) 12:44, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Classification by subjective analysis

This section is problematic throughout, beginning with subjective rather than objective analysis, and extending to factual errors, inappropriate and inaccurate references and unjustified POV. I'll work on it when I find time. Meanwhile, if anyone wants to pitch in with suggestions or text for objective classification, please do. (Best to have a look at Dalbera-Stefanaggi's chapter in Maiden & Parry, The Dialects of Italy, for starters.) 47.32.20.133 (talk) 16:53, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Corsican as an Italian dialect

This article keeps referring to Corsican as a “language”, but in reality it’s more of an Italian dialect than a language in its own right.

The article should do more to point this out.

If Corsica was a part of modern Italy instead of France, nobody would refer to a “Corsican language”, but would correctly classify it as an Italian dialect, not unlike Calabresean or Sicilian.

192.38.142.212 (talk) 12:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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