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New page reviewers

Hi. Could you please remove me from New page reviewers, that you originally granted here. I have become tired of getting grief and even abuse over it, but the final straw is not being backed by an administrator.[1].

Thanks. --John B123 (talk) 17:47, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @John B123: Damn, I'm sorry to see you've been discouraged so quickly. Given the dismal state of the NPR backlog, this is truly unfortunate. Still, I understand completely, maintaining your sanity is more important. I'll go ahead and remove the flag, and note in the log that it should be regranted without prejudice should you ever want that (of course you can come directly to me as well). Thanks for all the work you did put in during the past month. I'm extremely concerned by the abusive edit you received and will be issuing the user a formal warning. Regards, ~Swarm~ {sting} 19:45, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your understanding. Best Wishes. --John B123 (talk) 19:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@John B123: Do you have any inclination towards any other user rights? I'd be happy to grant you anything you might find useful. ~Swarm~ {sting} 01:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. That's most kind of you but I'm not sure what role I could play that would require extra user rights? Regards. --John B123 (talk) 06:46, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I hope you are keeping well in these unprecedented times. Having had time to calm down (and seeing the Page Curation backlog is fast approaching 10K) I'm happy to give the new page reviewing another go if the offer is still open. Regards. --John B123 (talk) 23:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Did you miss my message above? --John B123 (talk) 20:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@John B123: My sincere apologies! It looks like I did.  Done, sorry for the delay! ~Swarm~ {sting} 03:30, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, thanks. --John B123 (talk) 08:30, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed gramatical errors on Shannon Messenger

Hi Swarm. I'm KittyCora. I recently edited an article about Shannon Messenger. Within minutes, I got a message from you on the talk page, and you said that my changes were not constructive. But I fixed some gramatical errors. They had commas in the wrong places, and it was just horrible. I just ask that you review my edits and get back to me as soon as you can.

Best regards,

KittyCora

A kitten for you!

Thank you Swarm!

KittyCora

KittyCora (talk) 14:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User rights changes

Thanks, Swarm, but according to an Arbcom that judges cases on prima facie evidence, I'm just not trusted and qualified - period. Hence it's unlikely, based on the increasingly poor environment here, that I will be doing anything much on Wikipedia in the future. At over 70, I'm proud of what I contributed these 14 years, but let's leave it at that until I publish my next book. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:11, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Our very own Sam Johnson, Swarm :) ——SN54129 10:05, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Just a chat

Hello Swarm how are you? I'm the administrator of Chinese Wikipedia. I noticed you gave a temporary block to User:祖正石. He also did non-constructive edit in the respective article of Gravitational wave in Chinese and Japanese wikipedia. I take a off-line chat with him and he refuses to cooperate. Please pay a little attention to his edits. Just let you know, thank you very much. English wikipedia is so quickly to counter vandalism lol--Xiliu※heshui · criticize me 17:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note re possible feedback

Hi! I see that you are an experienced editor, AND an admin, and dedicated to collaborative styles of interaction, AND willing to be an adopter. I was wondering if we could please establish some sort of initial process where I could periodically approach you for feedback? I am interested in making contact with individual adopters who are willing to provide feedback, input, insights, advice, etc, if and when necessary. your knowledge seems quite comprehensive, so I decided I'd like to contact you now, just to lay a little groundwork for this. we can communicate if and when it is convenient for you; it does not have to be overly voluminous; I simply wanted to initiate contact, and perhaps suggest a periodic working communication where you could provide me with feedback periodically. is that okay? thanks!! ---Sm8900★ 🌎 04:37, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Sm8900: Apologies for the delay, I've been out of town. But absolutely! I'd be more than happy to help you or provide feedback with anything you need. In fact I'm honored that you would even seek out my feedback as valuable. Feel free to drop by any time, you're always welcome! ~Swarm~ {sting} 23:06, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Swarm. that's terrific. thanks so much!! no problem; I'm sure glad to be able to get input from an experienced editor and admin. I will be in touch again in the future, to let you know of a few items that I've been working on. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 16:46, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. when you have a chance, could you please take a look over the main page and talk page for WP:History? I have a leading role there. I have been trying to improve the page steadily. I posted some new messages on the talk page there today, with some new ideas. I would welcome any comments you may have. I do hope you will like that page. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 13:26, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. could you please feel free to let me know if you got this message, when you get a chance? thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 12:11, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hey, Sm8900, sorry. I've been overlooking some messages here lately it seems. My apologies. I think your head's in the right place here. It's looking like Wikipedia's history buffs simply skip the History WikiProject and gravitate towards the more specialized projects they're interested in. So I'm impressed to see your goals are specific and realistic and not merely some generic attempt to "revive" the WikiProject. I think you're on the right track in making the project a tool or resource that once built will act as a general introductory service or "hub". Very smart. I will watchlist the talkpage to at least provide some additional staffing. ~Swarm~ {sting} 06:16, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Swarm. that sounds terrific. and I'm really glad to hear your thoughts on our core goals. thanks for your input! see you. ---Sm8900 (talk) 17:05, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mushuukyou

Re[2], it's happening again at Circumcision. Could you take a look? Alexbrn (talk) 19:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Help with first autopatrolled page

Hi! Thanks for the welcome to the new world of being autopatrolled. This is my first page in the "brave new world" María Odulia Nicola Ruotti - would have a minute to check I've added the right things? I know I've not done a rating - mostly because i couldn't work out how to install the rater you suggested. Will have another go tomorrow. Thanks in advance (Lajmmoore (talk) 19:44, 18 May 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Help with Harassing User

Thank you for your help on the ANI page. I am admittedly newer to this. I appreciate learning that targeting our campaign is a problem as I was worried nothing could be done since the content of his concerns are in fact valid. What I'm struggling to get him to see is that I'm not complaining about the content of his concerns it's the targeting of our campaign which is evidenced in social media posts from before this started and in his edit history being solely focused on us. So I guess my question would be how do I go about approaching that? What can I submit and what can I not submit and where do I submit it to? I don't want to continue to do things in the wrong format, in the wrong setting, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve42382 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi to both of you. I would assume Swarm is already writing up a reply. I wanted to also share that I have made Arbcom aware via email, with the little bit of evidence that was discoverable with what's already been shared at AN/I. I don't think Steve42382 had any idea they were going to violate WP:OUTING and I don't know if they have because I'm not familiar enough with the policy to say for sure, but the fact that I was able to find something so easily does give me pause. But I don't want this particular case to be easily brushed aside just because Steve42382 is newer to Wikipedia and so doesn't know where to go or how to go about reporting sensitive issues.
Not sure if there's more I should (or shouldn't) do, but I just wanted to make you Swarm aware that there's evidence to be seen, if that's the appropriate route to take. But, like I said, I did already send it to Arbcom.
--Pinchme123 (talk) 14:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Pinchme123 I definitely realize I started off wrong as I learn more about this and that's why I want to try to do everything the right way from here on out. I did not have any idea that I was in violation of the outing policy and will take whatever consequences my violation brings about if that's the case. There are so many policies that I'm trying to learn but don't have the time to search all of them and gain a thorough understanding of what to do when I have a full time job and this campaign is done in a few weeks. Any advice anyone gives is welcome even if the advice is that I'm in the wrong and can't do anything from a wiki standpoint and instead need to focus on other routes to try and educate.
--steve42382 (talk) 14:56, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Swarm, what would be the appropriate route to challenging the non-admin closure's language at AN/I? I don't think it's appropriate for the circumstances. I'm entirely unsurprised by the lack of action, but IMO the closure fully lays blame on OP, as if they made it up. It probably shouldn't have received a non-admin closure. --Pinchme123 (talk) 20:58, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pinchme123: I've brought it up with the closer themselves (diff). Does seem odd choice for a nac imo, but it's up to everyone that isn't me to decidethat. (talk page watcher) –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:35, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Pinchme123 and MJL: terrible close, absolutely unacceptable, I truly doubt the closer even read the discussion, and if they did, all the more shame on them. I've overriden their close. I would have overturned it outright, but the OP seems to have abandoned the discussion. ~Swarm~ {sting} 06:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for rectifying it. And of course not much (if anything) can be done if OP's already decided engaging isn't worth it anymore. It's also sad to see a well-meaning, if misguided, attempt to diversify the project have this kind of outcome. --Pinchme123 (talk) 16:21, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

pblocks

Since your comment prompted my question, I thought I should give you a heads up. I've considered the same use for pblocks in the past. WT:PB#Do pblocks cascade? Thanks, Cabayi (talk) 20:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

I am new user looking for adoption will you please act as my mentor to edit wikipedia because I am not familiar with Wikipedia policies so well. I will be obliged if you will be my mentor. Note:I have interest on increasing the content of short article with improving the quality of the article with adding citations also grammatical mistakes removing, I will be obliged if you will consider my request thanksFaster than fairies (talk) 07:25, 29 May 2020 (UTC) Still waiting for replyFaster than fairies (talk) 09:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"People who can't breath can't speak"

@InedibleHulk: As a medical professional I feel the need to correct this statement. Dyspnea (difficulty breathing) and apnea (literal lack of breathing) are two different things. Anyone who signs up for a CPR class understands the "ABCs". The inability to speak caused by an occluded airway is an emergency, but a person who has a patent airway and can speak and articulate the fact that they feel like they "can't breathe" is still a medical emergency. The only thing their speaking tells us is that their airway is patent. Could you imagine if an ambulance rolled up on a person who said they felt like they "couldn't breathe" and the paramedics just said, "well, you're talking, so I know you can breathe"? Could you imagine if a person in public started panicking and telling people they "can't breathe", and the bystanders refused to call 911 because "you're talking so I know you can breathe"? It's just a silly argument. A person feeling like they can't breathe is a serious medical emergency in any context and it can be caused by any number of things other than an occluded airway that renders them unable to speak. The physical act of moving air in and out is called "ventilation", and it is only one of the components of "breathing". I am sure that if you were having a heart attack, or a pulmonary embolism, and felt like you couldn't catch your breath, you wouldn't want someone saying, "well, you're talking, so you're breathing". I do not wish to get involved in that user's particular case, or any of the relevant politics, but please, I must ask you to not spread false medical information. ~Swarm~ {sting} 06:55, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's not false, just potentially misleading. I meant "ventilate" by "breathe". Not belittling the feeling of breathlessness at all, it's a bad sign and a bad symptom, often the worst. Just not the same as suffocating in a stranglehold or on a piece of cheese. I'm not saying the cop did anything like a good job here, and personally think he should never wear that uniform again. Anyway, bit scary how you rolled up on me there, whilst discussing the Box of Silence. If you can make me reverse my timestamp, you can make me reword "breathe", I don't want any trouble. Or any politics. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:23, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what you mean by "roll up on me", the discussion was advertised at the admin's noticeboard and in my routine review of the situation I noticed you making inaccurate statements that I felt the need to correct as someone with a medical education. I'm not sure why you find that "scary", I'm just attempting to discuss simple facts with you as a human being. Nothing administrative about this, nothing political about this, certainly no "trouble". And I'm not sure what you mean by "Box of Silence" at all. Assuming you reword "breathe" with "ventilate", I'm not sure what you're arguing. If someone says "I can't breathe", and you counter, "well, you can physically move some degree of air in and out of your lungs", that's a fairly meaningless statement because it doesn't mean the person can't "breathe", so I'm not sure why you'd feel it's important to make such a clarification. ~Swarm~ {sting} 00:19, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – June 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2020).

Administrator changes

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  • A motion was passed to enact a 500/30 restriction on articles related to the history of Jews and antisemitism in Poland during World War II (1933–45), including the Holocaust in Poland. Article talk pages where disruption occurs may also be managed with the stated restriction.
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GOCE June newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors June 2020 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the June newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since March 2020. You can unsubscribe from our mailings at any time; see below. All times and dates stated are in UTC.

Current events

Election time: Nomination of candidates in our mid-year Election of Coordinators opened on 1 June, and voting will take place from 00:01 on 16 June. GOCE coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought about helping out at the Guild, or you know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here.

June Blitz: This blitz begins at 00:01 on 14 June and ends at 23:59 on 20 June, with themes of articles tagged for copyedit in May 2020 and requests.

Drive and blitz reports

March Drive: Self-isolation from coronavirus may have played a hand in making this one of our most successful backlog elimination drives. The copy-editing backlog was reduced from 477 to a record low of 118 articles, a 75% reduction. The last four months of 2019 were cleared, reducing the backlog to three months. Fifty requests were also completed, and the total word count of copy-edited articles was 759,945. Of the 29 editors who signed up, 22 completed at least one copy edit. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

April Blitz: This blitz ran from 12 to 18 April with a theme of Indian military history. Of the 18 people who signed up, 14 copyedited at least one article. Participants claimed a total of 60 copyedits. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

May Drive: This event marked the 10th anniversary of the GOCE's copy-editing drives, and set a goal of diminishing the backlog to just one month of articles, as close to zero articles as possible. We achieved the goal of eliminating all articles that had been tagged prior to the start of the drive, for the first time in our history! Of the 51 editors who signed up, 43 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Other news

Progress report: as of 2 June, GOCE participants had processed 328 requests since 1 January, which puts us on pace to exceed any previous year's number of requests. As of the end of the May drive, the backlog stood at just 156 articles, all tagged in May 2020.

Outreach: To mark the 10th anniversary of our first Backlog Elimination Drive, The Signpost contributor and GOCE participant Puddleglum2.0 interviewed project coordinators and copy-editors for the journal's April WikiProject Report. The Drive and the current Election of Coordinators have also been covered in The Signpost's May News and Notes page.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Reidgreg, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist.

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NPOV Resolution

Hello. In response to a NPOV discussion originating on May 5th, you fully protected the page Toxic_masculinity, and said to let you know once the dispute was resolved. I'm not sure if this counts as resolution or not, but we had 3 editors supporting the inclusion of one piece of info, and one editor opposing it. The editor who opposed it has now stopped responding to replies; the last reply to the discussion was by me on the 16th of May, more than 3 weeks ago, and the discussion has now been removed from the page either automatically or by a moderator (I'm not sure how it works on the NPOV Noticeboard). I'm hoping you can un-protect the page so we can put in the information that was being disputed, although I'm not sure of the exact criteria for the noticeboard so I'm not 100% certain this counts as a resolution, but considering that the only editor opposing the change hasn't replied in 3 weeks, I assume it is. Either way please let me know whether you can un-protect the page or if additional criteria must be met first. I've included links to the relevant revisions of the relevant noticeboards.

en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&oldid=954969263#User:Sangdeboeuf_reported_by_User:EditSafe_(Result:_Page_protected_–_consider_dispute_resolution)

en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard&oldid=956950584#Toxic_masculinity_Neutrality_Dispute

EditSafe (talk) 01:32, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@EditSafe: Your last response in the discussion was to accuse me of "selectively applying Wikipedia's guidelines" while avoiding engagement with the substance of my concerns. Therefore there was nothing for me to respond to. If you want people to respond to your comments, then comment productively. On the other hand, if you're simply trying to wear people down in order to force through your preferred edits, then your behavior makes perfect sense. Be advised that consensus is not a vote, and that "Withdrawing from communication with a tendentious or quarrelsome editor does not give that editor consent to do what they like." —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Sangdeboeuf: Your last few responses were just repetitive and ignoring what I said, so if anything you were in violation of WP:REHASH. I responded to your complaints repeatedly, which you repeatedly ignored, so rather than restating what I already said 10 times I asked you to re-read my previous responses, thinking you'd respond again if you had any further questions. EditSafe (talk) 03:53, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Another user's talk page is no place for this debate. So @Swarm:, you've heard both sides of our argument. Since you are the moderator please let us know what you would like us to do. EditSafe (talk) 21:22, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Swarm: Any updates?

appeal for pardon (On unblocking)

I will note, I will definitely add sources later. I will also contact you if you will reduce the permanent block. My request is to unblock me because I don't agree with the indefinite block. I assure you not to edit any texts without refering the sourse. I am a Georgian Wikipedia editor and the reason of my request is that only.

The reason for my blockage was the editing of the Tbilisi page, which I considered to be the source in the year of its establishment (455 years). Currently the source is indicated on this page and this problem is corrected, which was the reason for my "life blockage" (There was no source that Tbilisi was founded in 479 (I wrote about this above).). Please give me a small block and not an indefinite one. Sincerely:--Lasha-george (talk) 11:09, 10 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.211.148.207 (talk) [reply]

vandalism on afro-polish page

Hello Swarm, Thanks for protecting the Afro-Polish page, but wrong data are given on the protected page... See discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gryllida#vandalism_on_page_https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAfro-Polish. Thanks in advance.

Pending Changes Reviewer

Hello Swarm, I am Megan, I currently have the rollback rights on the English Wikipedia. I am requesting if you could grant me pending changes reviewer rights. I have created articles which most have been reviewed and I have tried all my best to fight vandalism and sufficiently warn the vandals. I have familiarized myself with NPOV,WP:Vandalism, WP:GF, WP:V and many more just to mention a few. I belief that the rights would increase my scope on the English Wikipedia. Regards Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 12:34, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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