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Laurel, Mississippi‎

Hi! About the verbage involving the lynching of Howard Wash at Laurel, Mississippi‎, the previous editor was somewhat correct. Wash had been convicted that day, the jury was to decide on a sentence the next morning. It is exceedingly unlikely the trial was a fair one. There are a couple of sources at the bottom of my talk page, if you are interested. I don't intend to edit it further myself, but thought you might want to after seeing the sources, if you feel like it. Jacona (talk) 16:18, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jacona: Hi there. I saw some edits to the article, but didn't notice the murder conviction until I opened the New York Times article and felt it should be noted. He shouldn't have been pulled from his cell and murdered though. A while back I wrote the section Duck Hill, Mississippi#Duck Hill lynchings of 1937, which was similar. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 16:33, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

I like your work there. It would be good to get something similar about Wash, but I don't currently have the energy.Jacona (talk) 17:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Parchman State Penitentiary

You reverted my edit on the aforementioned article and left a message on my talk page. However, AFAIK, "in popular culture" sections don't require citations because they list the work that includes the subject, and the precedent is easily reviewed. MrThunderbolt1000T (talk) 04:27, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Vicksburg, Mississippi

You reverted my edit at the aforementioned article, with the reasoning that the references to Vicksburg in In the Heat of the Night are unnotable and unsourced.

First off, In the Heat of the Night was nominated for several Golden Globes and NAACP Image awards, and Carroll O'Connor won a Primetime Emmy for his portrayal of Chief Bill Gillespie. It's well-established that the television series was both popular and well-received by both general audiences and critics. Your reasoning there is irrational. You should have done some research before making that assumption.

Secondly, it's popular precedent that "in popular culture" information doesn't necessarily need sources or citations, because media such as music, movies, pictures, paintings, etc., are self-verifying works. An example is that I don't need to provide a citation when I add "Lake Pontchartrain is mentioned in the song Hurricane by Band of Heathens" to the Lake Pontchartrain article, because all I have to do to verify the added information is to listen to the aforementioned song. I don't need to go through the trouble of finding a reliable source because it's verifiable through simpler means. It presents itself clearly and can be verified through lesser means. This is an established precedent that you can see in many articles on Wikipedia. That isn't necessarily a violation of Wikipedia's rules on sources.

Also, I noticed that you reverted a part in that same section of the Vicksburg article about the song "Mississippi Queen," with the aforementioned reason being that Vicksburg was only mentioned once in the song. I'm going to say it simply: it doesn't matter whether it was mentioned once or mentioned 42 times, it's still a mention of Vicksburg by a notable band in a notable song. That reasoning is irrational.

Have a good one, MrThunderbolt1000T (talk) 10:00, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@MrThunderbolt1000T: Thank you for writing. Please note WP:USCITIES states "Topics specific to city" may be added, but says nothing about adding unsourced content, while WP:CITSTRUCT does not mention an "in popular culture" section, and nowhere advises to add unsourced content. Wikipedia talk:Verifiability/Archive 63#RfC: Are "in popular culture" entries "self-sourcing" or do they require a reference under Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources? concluded that "The consensus is very clear that a secondary source is required in almost all cases. A tertiary source is even better, if available. In the rare case that a primary source is judged to be sufficient, it should be properly cited. The source(s) cited should not only establish the verifiability of the pop culture reference, but also its significance." Magnolia677 (talk) 10:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Fort Yukon & the Arctic Circle

I believe there has been some sort of mistake. When I added that noteworthy point about Fort Yukon being along the Arctic Circle I cited the exact source Wikipedia uses in defining the ever-changing latitude of the Arctic Circle. The source is even used by the Wiki template Template:Circle of latitude. I just followed the exact line of latitude that was defined on 13 May 2014 as 66°33′50.2″ and stumbled across the fact it passes through the southern portion of Fort Yukon. Cheers, Ponderosapine210 (talk) 17:45, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

References

@Ponderosapine210: The source cited doesn't mention Fort Yukon, Alaska, and even if it did, why is it noteworthy? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:55, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: Fork Yukon is the largest city in the Yukon–Koyukuk Census Area (the largest county in the U.S. by land area) and the largest city along the entire Alaskan section of the Yukon River east of Pilot Station, Alaska. Fork Yukon is also of historical significance in Alaska due to its role as the home of a Cold War era U.S. military base and early warning radar station. Thank you. Ponderosapine210 (talk) 18:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Browning, MT

You reverted my edits on the Daily Mean portion of the Browning climate model, claiming it was unsourced. I have observed that the daily mean is just the average of the highs and lows. Therefore, no sourcing is required.

--Rubberducky785 (talk) 01:43, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

@Rubberducky785: Wikipedia does not accept original research, including synthesized conclusions. You also vandalized Mount San Antonio. You have made 284 edits to Wikipedia and have already been blocked twice. Not a good start. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:28, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

I observed that the numbers differed throughout Wikipedia. Most sites referred to the height of the mountain as a different number, and therefore I changed it to that. I admit, I should have found a source for that. In addition, I understand that synthesized conclusions are banned. However it is extremely obvious that the Daily Mean is an exception. This is a numerical source, not a verbal source. We all know what the daily mean is. While it is not explicitly stated, both the highs and lows are given to you by the same source, which is not synthesis. I am not making original observations off data, I am using completely intuitive and understandable methods to add data. Rubberducky785 (talk) 19:40, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

@Rubberducky785: According to the World Meteorological Organization and this science publication, that is not how mean monthly temperature is calculated. Please find a reliable source to support your data. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:24, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but the given highs and lows in the chart are already mean monthly highs and lows. In addition the science publication instructs us to find the average of all the mean monthly temperatures to get the mean yearly temperature, which is exactly what I did. Search up any major city's climate section and you will see that Daily Means are simply the averages of the highs and lows. In order to prevent further conflict I will no longer edit these charts. However I highly recommend you share this information with others as the actions I took in editing the chart were identical to everyone else's. Rubberducky785 (talk) 01:00, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Virden,Manitoba notable people

Hello, I noticed you reverted an edit I made earlier today, adding David Rockola to the notable people section of the Virden Manitoba page. Just wondering why he doesn’t cut it? Rock-ola itself has its own Wikipedia page, and those jukeboxes are quite well known. Plasticflasks (talk) 03:06, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Plasticflasks: Thanks for writing. All names on a notable people list should have their own Wikipedia article, per WP:CITSTRUCT#Notable people. While Rock-Ola does have an article, David Rockola does not (it redirect to the Rock-Ola article). Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:49, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

- Category:Habesha peoples - (spacing and dashes added to prevent adding this talk page to the category)

How in the world is a Wikipedia Category unsourced content, I can't put an intext citation for it because Wikipedia doesn't allow you to do it next to a "[[Category: ____]". The reasoning is evident within the text and the text has sources, all I did was insert categories with similar articles. WhatsUpAfrica (talk) 18:11, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@WhatsUpAfrica: You've been adding w:Category:Habesha peoples to articles that don't mention "Habesha". See WP:CATV. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:38, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: ok I'll fix it them.

@WhatsUpAfrica: You don't have to ping me on my own talk page. Moreover, you have also been placing w:Category:Habesha peoples (a parent category) into articles where more specific subcategories are already present (see Wikipedia:Categorization#Categorizing pages and WP:CATDD). I see you've also reverted my previous reverting of your edits. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:47, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Images

Regarding your edit summary on Toronto, I think the same thing would apply to the top montage image of Calgary. For some reason, the editor Acefitt prefers this horribly hued and colorized photo over previous ones that looked much more realistic. If you can, please try to reason with the editor. Thanks, ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 18:59, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

ANI

For some reason, your name is being bandied about by Carmaker1, a user with more than enough experience and who claims to hold advance degrees and important positions in commerce but apparantly cannot follow the rules and instructions at ANI, where he's been numerous times. Since he's too lazy/deceitful/arrogant/whatever to notify you as required: it's at WP:ANI#Carmaker1. Fyi. John from Idegon (talk) 07:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I did not know that, as they are not being accused of anything are they? My name has been mentioned in past AN/Is I have NOT been a part of, with no knowledge or pinging. Only discovering while doing a Google search or reviewing archives. I suggest you mind your own conduct, as it's not your place to make such commentary and make hypocritical character attacks outside of simple notification, if required. Carmaker1 (talk) 07:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Responding to Concern

Hello Magnolia677. I have indicated on my user page that I am a paid graduate assistant of the University of Maryland. I also have a conflict of interest heading. Should I put this information in a different location? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellstran (talk • contribs) 18:57, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

@Bellstran: Thanks for adding the personal note to your user page. If your read the notice I added to your talk page there's a template that should have been added. At this point just enjoy Wikipedia, and if there are any edits you need to make on behalf of your employer, just make the request on the article's talk page. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:31, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

U.S. Customs and Border Protection

I agree with you, the ACLU source article got less neutral the more I read it. Thanks for removing it and replacing it with the CNN-sourced article that explained their authorization better. LetterOpener (talk) 02:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

ANI discussion

Hi, I mentioned you about an issue you had been involved in. Since you haven't commented, I am making a note here in case you didn't get a ping. If you just don't want to comment, then just disregard this. Thanks. The thread is here. MB 04:14, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@MB: I'll take a look. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 09:40, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Demographics

Really, a consensus has been reached using poor grammar and awkward wording?50.25.221.206 (talk) 23:26, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Idyllwild–Pine Cove, California

Hi, I saw that you reverted my edit, thinking it to be vandalism. However, it is not vandalism, as this unincorporated community has an animal mayor. Wikitrumpets (talk) 23:25, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@Wikitrumpets: You can kinda see how adding "Maximus Mighty-Dog Mueller II" as mayor might be viewed as vandalism. I found a source here if you'd like to add it back, except because this is mostly a publicity stunt it may be best to add it someplace in the article and not in the real mayor parameter in the infobox. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

East York, Toronto

Hi! Yeah, when I finished editing I went back and tried to add in references but I got your message shortly after. Mind if I add in the public transportation page with references this time? Thanks! Android7400 (talk) 20:08 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Cherokee Dam photo

The photograph that I had added to the Cherokee Dam article had been of coursed edited, but I can assure you that the "blue haze" that you are seeing is not from my editing. As you can see in the photograph, there are rays of sunlight beaming through over the top of the structure. This picture was taken around 7-8 AM EST. Plus, your input of the picture being "hideous" is an opinion, so how is your opinion a valid reason to remove the photo, given it is of better quality in pixilation compared to previously submitted files?

@AppalachianCentrist: I realize you are really trying to make positive contributions to Wikipedia, but honestly I've just spent the last hour cleaning up your edits. Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the project and its policies. If you sincerely feel your early-morning blue haze photo is an improvement over the other two photos, please start a discussion on the article talk page and get the input of other editors. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Studio 10

I don't know how to reply to the messages on here so I hope you get this and you can delete it once you have read it. I have Aspergers / High Functioning Autism and your message upset me. I spent heaps of time on those changes because the Studio 10 page needs desperate updating. Many people listed haven't been on the show for years. No written sources will show things that you can see with your eyes. My changes were obvious changes that have occurred on the show since it changed Executive Producers. They have added a News segment and it is good and important to list Current fill-in presenters (like the news), which the list shown on the Studio 10 page is not. It is an old list, it has changed so much. Things like Fill-in presenters can fill-in for any presenter like Bishop, Drysdale, Kennerley or Hildebrand. Merrick Watts fills in for any of them. Natarsha Belling is the main fill-in for Sarah Harris and various people fill-in for the news. Narelda Jacobs is mainly a reporter, but is also a Panelist/Co-host. This can be backed up by a source (https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/morning-shows/studio-10-announce-new-panellist-for-2020/news-story/ab16e9616b40ca359437658c18acd288) But you just have to watch the show to see that the fill-in presenters have changed and there are also News Fill-in presenters. The list on the page is old and needs to be current. You can email me at mark.ch@adam.com.au - Mark Cheesman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.165.8 (talk) 16:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@60.242.165.8: Just add the text back to the article along with a reliable source. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners for assistance. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:22, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

But as I said there is no reliable source to back-up the fill-in presenters. The source is every single viewer who watches the show. They all would know that most of the fill-in presenters listed on the Wikipedia page haven't been on the show for years. They all would know who fills in. Why can't people who actually watch the show update the page to show actual current fill-in presenters. It keeps the page current. Not all changes to shows will have a source to back it up. But people who watch the show will know the changes exist. You can't keep a page current just from reliable sources, some sources come from the show itself and people who watch it. Otherwise the wikipedia page won't be current and isn't it important the page is current. The list on the page of fill-in presenters isn't current, they are so old. I spent so long updating it and making sure it is correct. I don't want to have to go through that all over again, I have already done it. The list now is not current. The list I put up was current and showed news fill-ins and actual current fill-in presenters; that don't have a physical source to back it up, as the source is the show. How come the list of presenters on the Studio 10 Wikipedia page doesn't show a citation. There is no reliable source linked to the current list of fill-in presenters. So why can't the list be updated by someone who watches the show? The list has just grown over the years by people adding presenters. But the list changed when the Executive Producer changed. How can the list be current if people who watch the show can't update to show information that can only be received by actually watching the show. - Mark Cheesman

• (talk page watcher) Mark, encyclopedias are tertiary. That means the content of the encyclopedia is paraphrased from reliable secondary sources. If no sources exist, it cannot be here. Period. End of story. If you want to go bicycling, but have no bicycle, can you go bicycling? No. If you want to add a fact to an encyclopedia, you have to have a reliable secondary source. Without one, you have no edit, just like without a bike, you are not going on a bike ride. John from Idegon (talk) 07:49, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, that's just stupid. Without a chain and pedals, the bike can't go anywhere. Just like without Fill-in presenters, the show wouldn't be the same. For a bike to go it needs parts, which means it needs fill-in presenters when regular presenters are sick or unavailable. Without every part of the bike it won't go anywhere, without every part of Studio 10 it won't be a full show. If a bike didn't receive replacement parts, it won't work, if the Studio 10 Wikipedia page didn't receive updated fill-in presenters then it wouldn't be current, just like a bike with no new parts. Does a bike need to show proof of reliable sources to make it current. Just like looking at a bike to know it is wrong, a viewer looking at Studio 10 and the Wikipedia page will know that the page isn't current. A bike can show what is needed by looking at it, just like the Studio 10 page can show what is needed by looking at it to make it current. How can a Television Show Wikipedia page be current, if no one who actually watches the show can update it without reliable sources? Just like a bike who is owned by someone who can't ride a bike and who knows nothing about bikes. It would just sit there get old and rot when it is not being looked after by someone who knows about bikes and can ride one. Without someone who watches Studio 10 updating it, how can the page be up to date, new, fresh and correct. Many things about a TV show like its fill-in presenters won't be documented and would only be known by watching the show, therefore can not be backed up by reliable sources Mcheesie79 (talk) 09:23, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Humidex and wind chill

In the weather context for places in Canada, humidex and wind chill are not temperatures, so the {{Convert}} template should not be used.

Incorrect: The humidex reached 52.1 °C (125.8 °F) in Windsor, Ontario on June 20, 1953.

Correct: The humidex reached 52.1 in Windsor, Ontario on June 20, 1953.

Eyesnore 22:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Eyesnore: Thank you for writing. I've found one of the best ways to stop editors from questioning what appears to be "unexplained content removal", is to leave an edit summary outlining the purpose of my edit; something like "humidex is not a measure of temperature". Please see Help:Edit summary for details. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 09:46, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Muncie, Indiana neighborhoods

Hi Magnolia677, Muncie's neighborhood boundaries are mapped at the Delaware County level by its GIS Department. The Delaware County GIS Department's map of the Muncie's neighborhoods is at https://delcogis.maps.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=f9e36453d4f446b5bc090ffd4ae7c8d3. Is that official map an acceptable source (and I could mention about how this data is mapped by the county GIS Dept)? The GIS Department clarified to me that the GIS department's map is more up-to-date than Google Maps b/c Google Maps sometimes has delays in processing the county's updated map data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommyviper (talk • contribs) 19:48, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tommyviper: Thanks for writing. I actually went looking for a list of neighborhoods on the Muncie city website, but no luck. A city GIS is pretty accurate. Linking to Google map just seemed a bit wonky. Use this template. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Mankato, Minnesota

Hi! Reference added. Feel free to update.Comm260 ncu (talk) 21:42, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Pittsburgh and Charleroi-no longer sister cities (who knew?)

Hello and thanks for bringing that to my attention, I don't like unsourced material anymore than I am sure you do. I just saw after I made that edit to Pittsburgh's sister cities that Charleroi and Pittsburgh were not sister cities as of 2019 (coincidence? Still very weird).

Meanwhile, Charleroi still lists Pittsburgh as a sister city, though that page's International relations section lacks citation.

The weird thing is, I couldn't find a link stating why these cities seem not to be connected anymore. In any case, what do you think?

Thanks, 71.82.237.58 (talk) 02:52, 27 June 2020 (UTC)Wiscipidier