Talk:Raw veganism

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too heavily focused on the consequences - i.e. this page is biased!

These are not important pieces of information. What is important is the 118F and how some people believe in not cooking at all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C51:7780:E47:251C:639E:B0F7:409C (talk) 23:19, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes - I fixed that. I added the 118F and believe I added about the not cooking at all too. Hawaiisunfun (talk) 17:48, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Tag added: Page needs MEDRS

This page concerns health and dietary issues and therefore falls under WP:MEDRS, a heightened set of standards for the reliability of sources. It appears that the sources in this article do not meet the standards of MEDRS.

For example, as evidence of duckweed's B12 content, the article cites an industry website regarding testing results for Parabel's water lentils: Although the website states that it is citing the results of independent reports that Parabel commissioned, such independent reports are primary sources and have not been summarized and filtered via non-industry meta-analyses. (So they are low-quality per WP:MEDASSESS) These results also do not show that all duckweed contains B12, since they only pertain to Parabel's specific product and do not indicate that the same B12 content will be available in other products farmed using different methods.

Similarly, the citation of Carlo Alvaro, a moral philosopher, is not sufficient to meet MEDRS. (Edit: I removed the Alvaro citation because I think it's sufficiently uncontroversial to do so)

Also, the section on contamination may violate WP:SYNTH as it cites several sources regarding the health risks of raw food, but the sources are not specifically about raw veganism.

Edit: more importantly than the quality of the sources, the article lacks the MEDRS sources needed to make it a substantive article. We need more information on raw veganism's risks and benefits from MEDRS sources.

I hope a Wikipedian with more experience in medical topics can help find better sources to fix up the article. Jancarcu (talk) 07:30, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes - I see what you mean - I just put something to write down what I could and then had to go back and find the primary sources, which I did. Thanks for not deleting my work while I was in the middle of progress and just marked it instead. It's fixed now and I removed the mark. Hawaiisunfun (talk) 17:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

For the health risks of raw food - I didn't originally put in the health risks, someone else did. Out of fear of the article getting too big that it gets deleted for notability, I condensed what was written before about it into something small - as it's not truly important as the other facts - as you said - specifics about raw veganism. However, I don't believe that the links have to be specifically about raw veganism, as raw vegan food is a part of it. Would you like to help me understand that? I'm trying @jancarcu. Hawaiisunfun (talk) 17:52, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

References

Why was everything about this deleted?Hawaiisunfun (talk) 00:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Need to add back in cooking equipment

It shouldn't be taken out due to a lack of sourcing, as people should look into sourcing it rather than outright removal - it's supposed to be there, as it's part of the article! Now the article formatting looks bad. @zefr Hawaiisunfun (talk) 18:18, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

It's an oxymoron to suggest 'equipment' for 'raw veganism'; WP:PLUG and WP:OR apply. There won't be credible WP:RS sources. Zefr (talk) 18:47, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

This article should be redirected to raw foodism. Is there any way we can make that happen? We already have a section there [1], we can just merge any content there. Psychologist Guy (talk) 21:05, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Psychologist Guy - I would support a merge, WP:MERGE, of this article to raw foodism. Requires a merge proposal and vote. Zefr (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I will propose this shortly. Psychologist Guy (talk) 09:41, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

It's not an oxymoron - raw veganism involves cooking at low temperatures. Where's the merge? There's nothing in the raw foodism that shows anything about dehydrators - which is specific to raw veganism. Hawaiisunfun (talk) 00:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

history section

should have more info before 1918, as it didn't start then — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hawaiisunfun (talk • contribs) 18:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

There are examples of raw vegetarians but hardly any raw vegans from the past. Vera Richter's book Mrs. Richter's Cook-Less Book is a vegetarian book because on page 35 she talks about making a mayonnaise dressing with eggs and many of her recipes use honey. Psychologist Guy (talk) 09:40, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Why is a cookbook that has non-vegan food in an article about raw veganism, yet info about raw veganism isn't? Yes - Australopithecus's diet was a seed/soft fruit based one. So it goes back for millions of years. Could we add that in?Hawaiisunfun (talk) 00:12, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Nothing on the rise of raw veganism as a health food trend?

Nothing about youtubers with raw veganism, how it worked and didn't? I'd assume that's what would give it notability.Hawaiisunfun (talk) 00:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)