Talk:Gorillaz

Paula Cracker

I added Paula Cracker as a former virtual member (as she was) but none of her contributions to the band actually appeared in any albums. So, because of this, should I remove her as a member of the band? VTnav (talk) 00:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

No, "she" contributed to the single which was released when the band was still called Gorilla in 1998 (the fan wiki has an image of the sleeve and she appears on it). It might be an idea to add a cite for her to Rise of the Ogre, since it's a RS for the fictional characters (some editors also use it for real-world info without qualification, which is dubious at best). I'm glad the list has been revised to remove Del (he was never a member per se, but a spiritual mentor; musically speaking the real Del was a guest). It looks a lot more sensible, though I'm not sure why the former band members are listed directly underneath the fictional ones. Surely they should be lined up under the current ones.

Merge Murdoc Niccals

There is no information about the fictional bassist character in the Gorillaz article, though we have a Wikipedia:Permastub standalone article: Murdoc Niccals. If the character is notable enough to have a standalone artcile then it is notable enough to have information about the character in the article, so that information from the standalone article should be placed into the main article. If that happens then we have duplicate information in two places, which per WP:OVERLAP should be in one place. In a deletion discussion in 2010, it was proposed that the articles on the fictional band members be merged. I haven't looked at the other band members, but on reading this one (and its prolonged history of vandalism), it appears to me to be a prime candidate for merging. I would have normally have been bold and merged it, but as the outcome of the AfD was to keep the articles, I thought it best to see what the consensus is; or at least raise the issue to see if there are any objections. SilkTork (talk) 18:43, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Actually the Murdoc Niccals article needn't be a permastub as there is mass amounts of info on Murdoc. It is more an editor problem than an info problem. L.H. (talk) 04:06, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Tina Weymouth

Shouldn't this be included in the Gorillaz article?

From the Wikipedia article on Tina Weymouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tina_Weymouth)

"and has contributed backing vocals and percussion for the alternative rock virtual band Gorillaz; the backing vocals were provided for the character Noodle." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.41.86.35 (talk) 20:12, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Ace as a member of Gorillaz

Please don't add Ace into band member lists or the article proper until reliable secondary sources cover the character's relationship with Gorillaz. As of this comment, the band has issued no statement regarding a shift in the virtual band's lineup, nor has "Ace's" relationship with the band been substantiated by any reliable sources. Speculating over instagram/twitter promotional art constitutes crystal balling, which is not accepted on Wikipedia. FlotillaFlotsam (talk) 12:00, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

• Since Ace's relationship with the band has been covered by reliable sources/interviews, disregard above. FlotillaFlotsam (talk) 18:29, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

British vs English

I've noticed a tad bit of edit warring today, maybe we should firmly cement whether "English band" or "British band" is more correct? I personally lean toward "English" since that's established to mean "bands from the country of England" which is the sense intended here, while "British band" typically refers to a specific musical movement originating in the UK in the 60s and 70s and now mostly produced in the indie scene. Note where English bands and British bands each redirect to. Not to mention, this article has used "English band" for quite some time already and I'm not sure what would necessitate changing it. ♥Acorimori♦ 19:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Where does the idea that ""British band" typically refers to a specific musical movement originating in the UK in the 60s and 70s and now mostly produced in the indie scene" come from? Seems like nonsense to me (a Brit). We have the essay WP:UKNATIONALS. The way that is often interpreted is that the default position of anyone from the UK is that they are British (which is unquestionably their legal nationality), but that if they self-identify as English/Scottish/Welsh etc, or are described thus in most reliable sources, or have (for instance) competed internationally for one of those countries, we should use the latter (i.e. English/Scottish/Welsh etc.) nationality. In this specific case, neither British nor English is "wrong", and we should default to the earlier or longest-established version unless there is a very good reason to do otherwise. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:00, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

I should think that we should be consistent with where bands come from. "The Beatles are and English band" rather than British because they originated specifically in England as did Gorillaz and was founded by two Englishmen. Sellsomepapers (talk) 16:53, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

That makes sense, I think you know a lot more about the subject than I do. For my logic, I was mostly going from the redirects I included. I mostly just wanted to hopefully get consensus about something I saw an edit war about and I'm glad someone knowledgeable stepped in. ♥Acorimori♦ 19:30, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

This article was stable as "a British band" and has been changed for unconvincing reasons. The terms English and Englishmen are not defined because there are no official criteria for them (or Scottish, Welsh etc.) The opinions of editors on this subject are indicative but in no way authoritative. Can we get some more clarity on this please? --139.143.150.37 (talk) 12:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Sigh... should we open an RfC for this? This is not at all my area of expertise and I really want to see it resolved. Once we got it clearly defined we could focus our energy on actually improving the article instead of squabbling. ♥Acorimori♦ 17:41, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

The editor Sellsomepapers has carried out a number of alterations to articles on this theme based on opinion only, always without sources and using repeated reverts to get its way. There is no justification presented here for the alteration to the article. It should just be moved back to "British".--Tigranis (talk) 09:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

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Virtual Members Timeline

There seems to be a mention of a 'timeline' in the 2nd archived talk, but I couldn't find the topic of a 'visual' timeline in the rest of the archived talks. And I’m not sure if this goes against any protocol or sort of rule used in music articles, but could/should we add a timeline for the virtual members? Although not real per se, they do represent the official history of the band. And even though some dates are a bit murky or debatable, since almost every other well-known band (which has seen line-up changes) seems to have a membership timeline, perhaps an attempt could be made to present a coherent chronology. DJGomes (talk) 07:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Making this Article Better

This article has been a mess for years and most parts of it need a complete re-write to bring it up to standard. Just at a glance these are the two main issues I currently see with the article.

• The article reads too much like a timeline instead of an article. Many of the history sections and especially the "Live Performances" section read as just lists of dates and occurrences without any relevant context. These sections should be re-written so as to include some kind of coherent narrative within the article and the sections which demonstrate how the band has changed over time and the motivations for the different projects of the band's career, while integrating the remaining dates into them.
• The "Members" section is a complete mess. There's no reason this section needs to be as big as it is. Many of the supposed "real members" both current and former have no citation alongside them and many of them were temporary producers/mixers/engineers/backing musicians who are not and have never been considered "official members" of Gorillaz in any official media. There is also too much of a focus on the fictional side of the project in this section. I don't see any reason why minuscule and irrelevant categories like character voice actors, singing voices and former virtual members need to be listed here. I think a better option would be to spin off a separate section detailing the membership history of the various live incarnations of the band.

Wanted to post this here as a starting point of discussion. Over the coming days/weeks I'd like to address some of these issues. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 06:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Update: I went ahead and took this on myself. Re-wrote basically the entire article. Still have some reference cleanup to do but in general I'm finished making edits here. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 07:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC)