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July 10

Requesting reference for following

Following section has been deleted from article Islamic advice literature by User:Headbomb claiming source to be Predatory. Still I feel there won't be much reason for information to be untrue, and hence I hope more reference sources fitting in 'English Wikipedia manual style' would be available hence requesting support in the same.

Thanks and regards Bookku (talk) 17:18, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

===Social Islamization === In early and medieval centuries Sufi literature including their advice literature played a substantial role in spreading Sufi Islamic values among Muslim masses. In early Turkish classical advice literature Yunus Emre a (probable) 13th century poet's Risâletü'n-Nushiyye^[1], Feridüddin Attar's Pend-nâme, Sa'dî's Bostan and Gulistan, and Mesnevi of Mevlana, Ahmed Fakih's Çarh-nâme (794–798) played substantial role among Turkish Muslim culture and masses.^[2]

References

^ Agency, Anadolu (2020-05-12). "Yunus Emre: Turkish folk poet on path of divine love". Daily Sabah. Retrieved 2020-06-06.
^ ÇELİK, Aysun (25.06.2018). [www.ijoess.com/Makaleler/921398065_17.%201202%20-1223%20aysun%20%c3%a7elik.pdf ""THE IDEAL HUMAN FIGURE" IN SA'DI'S GULISTAN"] (PDF). IJOESS. Year: 9, Vol:9, Issue: 32: 1202–1223 – via ijoess.com. {{cite journal}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)

I missed the first source. I'll restore the paragraph with a CN tag instead. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:20, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deletionpedia

I know deletionpedia covers deleted Engolish articles. but i was wondering whether there's any way to retrieve information from non-English wikis. The following page ([1]) was deleted a while ago, but fortunately, it was still saved on Google cache. But this morning I checked the page and it gave an error message. Is there any way I could somehow view that page again? 79.67.76.253 (talk) 20:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You can check archive.org, or other web archive projects. This is a direct link to the page [2], which says it was deleted as "nonsense" and has some of the text there. RudolfRed (talk) 20:11, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@RudolfRed: I've tried the wayback archive machine already, and its no use. I won't reenter it on Wikipedia. I just wish to retrieve it for myself, but I can't when its hidden. 79.67.76.253 (talk) 23:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On enwiki you can usually ask at WP:REFUND for copies of deleted articles within reason (like if the reason for deletion isn't copyvio or libel). There might be a similar way to request deleted content at sowiki. And if not, you could always try on meta. 199.66.69.67 (talk) 05:55, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like it was deleted as "nonsense" on 21 June.[3] That's just a few weeks ago so there should still be snapshots around. 2602:24A:DE47:BB20:50DE:F402:42A6:A17D (talk) 07:57, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This might be it. 2602:24A:DE47:BB20:50DE:F402:42A6:A17D (talk) 08:00, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gracias, sir or madam. 79.67.76.253 (talk) 09:17, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 11

Heraldic description for a proposed new flag for Mississippi

What is the heraldic description of a track-suited Wikipe-tan launching an eagle with two ticker tape ribbons in her talons, one reading, "IN GOD WE TRUST" and the other reading "MISSISSIPPI IS THE B..." but twisting away from the view? EllenCT (talk) 06:30, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Mississippi#Flag commission and referendum suggests that a learned commission will be designing the new flag. Alansplodge (talk) 10:44, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To be feared some redundancy with that eagle design [4]. Fortunately the Mississippi Arts Commission (MAC) currently setting "Champion the unique Mississippi story" first in its guiding principles is letting it infer that attention will be given to the design (public buildings are often seen associated with all sorts of flags). --Askedonty (talk) 21:01, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we don't see many lions in England either :-) Alansplodge (talk) 17:03, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Although so many of them that ended converted into hot dogs, somewhere, just to the north near the eastern coast in the county of Kent. --Askedonty (talk) 20:47, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 12

Wit (play)

In the article Wit (play), it states: "Dr. Ashford kisses a sleeping Vivian, quotes Hamlet, and leaves." What is the Hamlet quote? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:57, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest"

As a bonus, here is a link to a popular internet "search engine": https://www.google.com . If you click on that link, then type words like "wit", "Hamlet" and "Edson", you'll see how I was able to find that answer. --Shirt58 (talk) 04:05, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That's a perfect quote. I actually did go to Google. I typed in variations of "Wit, play, Hamlet" (etc.) ... and all I kept getting was the "brevity is the soul of wit" monkey business by Polonius. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:45, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also referenced in Blackadder II...

Lady Farrow: "May flights of angels sing thee to thy rest"

Queenie (Elizabeth I): "Yes, I expect they will".

Alansplodge (talk) 13:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

The top right of this map--what does it say?

What does the top right of this map say? In English, please. Futurist110 (talk) 05:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't the Language Desk be a better place for this? --174.89.49.204 (talk) 05:57, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Percentage of Germans in Hungary by native language of the civil population. White = 0-10%, yellow = 10-30%, orange = 30-50%, green = 50-70%, blue = 70-90%, purple = 90-100%. Dotted areas indicate the German speaking Jewish population.
The map also covers areas outside today´s Hungary, such as Austria, Slovakia, Slovenia, etc. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 06:28, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What do they mean by "dotted areas"? Also, Yes, I'm well-aware that Hungary's borders were different before 1918. Futurist110 (talk) 18:42, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

'dotted areas' = areas filled in with dots rather than just one coat of paint. For example the area to the east of Vyzhnytsia is pale pink with darker pink dots. ---Sluzzelin talk 18:50, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So if an area is colored by not dotted, then this means that this area's German population isn't Jewish? Also, I'm surprised that there are some Budapest suburbs in or around 1890 that are overwhelmingly German; I did not know about these German-heavy Budapest suburbs before I actually saw this map. Futurist110 (talk) 20:50, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What does it say at the bottom left? Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 00:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The resolution is poor, and so is my German, but the legend appears to be:

In der ausserhalb des Kartenrund den folgenden Gemeinden

Kroatiens

bleiben die Deutschen stets unter 10% der Gesammtheitliberung

In the outside of the map perimeter of the following municipalities

Croatia

the Germans always remain under 10% of the free total. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:E117:6100:6DA5:A9AE:B08E:E282 (talk) 13:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Kroatiens" is a genitive; the whole thing is one sentence:

"In den ausserhalb des Kartenrandes fallenden Gemeinden Kroatiens bleiben die Deutschen stets unter 10% der Gesamtbevölkerung."

Literal translation: In the communities of Croatia lying outside the map's edge, Germans always remain below 10% of the total population.

---Sluzzelin talk 14:18, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Conrad Gesner on theories of the four elements

From The Elements: A Very Short Introduction by Philip Ball: "in the sixteenth century the Swiss scholar Conrad Gesner showed that no fewer than eight systems of elements had been proposed between the times of Thales (sixth century BC) and Empedocles." Which of Gesner's works is this referring to (the book does not specify) and is there an English translation available anywhere? Or another source discussing these systems? 188.74.64.13 (talk) 09:38, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Life's Matrix: A Biography of Water says that Gesner's work on elements was published in 1586 (he died in December 1565).

Conrad Gessner's Private Library says: "An examination of his lectures, partially published posthumously by [Caspar] Wolf in 1586..."

Scholarly Knowledge: Textbooks in Early Modern Europe points to "Physicarum meditationum libri, Zürich 1586".

I couldn't find that online, so I can't confirm that I'm actually barking up the right tree. Alansplodge (talk) 13:19, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Physicarum meditationum

Great, now I only need to teach myself Latin ;-) Alansplodge (talk) 15:01, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! 188.74.64.13 (talk) 15:10, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Was HMS Boreas (H77) completed on 20 February 1931 or 21 February 1931?

There seem to be sources arguing either way when searching up the name of the ship. User:Thatone~~weird~~wikier | Conversations and Contributions 12:13, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Destroyer: An Anthology of First-hand Accounts of the War at Sea, 1939-1945 (p. 490) says "completed on 20 February 1931".

SERVICE HISTORIES of ROYAL NAVY WARSHIPS in WORLD WAR 2 by Lt Cdr Geoffrey B Mason RN (Rtd) (c) 2004: HMS BOREAS (H 77)/later Greek HHelMS SALAMIS - B-class Destroyer says "Build was completed on 20th February 1931 at a contract price of £221,156".

In case of a conflict like this, I usually put in the best referenced one, but add "(some sources say...)". Alansplodge (talk) 13:42, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Alansplodge: Thanks for your reply. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "best referenced" source? User:Thatone~~weird~~wikier | Conversations and Contributions 17:38, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Both Mason and English (who is in the list of sources and is very accurate) state 20 Feb. Both far better than an Anthology book. Go with 20 Feb Lyndaship (talk) 18:01, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And speaking hypothetically, if you couldn’t resolve the discrepancy between the sources, you could just put “February 1931”. An explanatory footnote could also be used to discuss the discrepancy if it’s not possible to do so in-text without ruining the flow of the article, and you think it’s really necessary. 199.66.69.67 (talk) 18:48, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did British shipyards have a 5 or 6-day work week back then? 21 February 1931 was a Saturday. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:10, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't find a reference, but the Factory Act 1850 dictated that work had to stop at 2pm on Saturday. My dad was still working Saturday mornings at his London factory in the 1960s. Saturday afternoons off unintentionally created a space for football matches, and a 3pm kickoff is still the norm. Alansplodge (talk) 14:50, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The point at which a naval ship is considered "completed" must surely be somewhat abitrary, given its nature and complexity. I suspect such a date might refer to a legal process whereby representatives of the builder and the Navy countersign documents accepting its transfer, though the installation of various fittings, of painting, and other minor works might still be ongoing. Such an exchange might not be subject to the same working-week constraints as apply to dockworkers. Any marine experts around who can shed more light? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.41.197 (talk) 16:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Four column template

Are there any pages on wikipedia with templates which contain four columns and several rows? If so, could you list a few please. 92.0.204.35 (talk) 20:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean a template that contains four columns? Or a table that contains four columns? If the latter, here is an example: Todirostrum. And another: USASA Elite Amateur Leagues. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:06, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you really do mean template ... here is one with several columns (not exactly four, but I am not sure how one "counts" such columns in a template): Template:Grand Slam champions. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Who lived in Hungary back when it was under Ottoman rule?

Who lived in Hungary back when it was under Ottoman rule? For instance, did the ancestors of present-day Hungarians already live in Hungary back then? Did anyone else live in Hungary back then? I know that Hungary back then was less than 1% Jewish--with most of Hungary's Jews only moving to Hungary after the Ottomans were already expelled from there:

https://yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Hungary/Hungary_before_1918

Anyway, does anyone here have any information in regards to this? Futurist110 (talk) 20:56, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Our article Hungarian language#Modern Hungarian refers to the "ethnic Hungarian population". 62.30.198.76 (talk) 09:56, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More specifically, Hungarians#Early modern period: "The first accurate measurements of the population of the Kingdom of Hungary including ethnic composition were carried out in 1850–51. There is a debate among Hungarian and non-Hungarian (especially Slovak and Romanian) historians about the possible changes in the ethnic structure of the region throughout history. Some historians support the theory that the proportion of Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin was at an almost constant 80% during the Middle Ages. Non-Hungarians numbered hardly more than 20% to 25% of the total population. The Hungarian population began to decrease only at the time of the Ottoman conquest, reaching as low as around 39% by the end of the 18th century. The decline of the Hungarians was due to the constant wars, Ottoman raids, famines, and plagues during the 150 years of Ottoman rule. The main zones of war were the territories inhabited by the Hungarians, so the death toll depleted them at a much higher rate than among other nationalities. In the 18th century, their proportion declined further because of the influx of new settlers from Europe, especially Slovaks, Serbs and Germans. As a consequence of Turkish occupation and Habsburg colonization policies, the country underwent a great change in ethnic composition as its population more than tripled to 8 million between 1720 and 1787, while only 39% of its people were Hungarians, who lived primarily in the centre of the country". Alansplodge (talk) 15:27, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 13

Line of sight

An activity book for students of Portuguese has a picture of a patient sitting at a table opposite his optician. One of those letter boards for testing eyesight is visible on the wall. The lines run:

E 1

F P 2

- O Z 3

- E D 4

- C F D 5

- F C Z P 6

<--- green bar --->

- E L O P Z D 7

- E F P O T E O 8

<--- red bar --->

There are eleven lines in all, of which the last three are indistinct. Lines 6 - 8 were deciphered using a magnifying glass. I don't think this arrangement is used in Britain. Is there a theory behind the way the letters are arranged, and does the arrangement vary from country to country according to language? The picture is captioned thus:

- Estou a ver que o senhor precisa de óculos.

- Como sabe isso antes de me examinar, senhor doutor?

- Desconfiei quando o vi entrar pela janela.

(- I am seeing that you need glasses.

- How do you know this before examining me, mister doctor?

- I was doubtful when I saw you enter through the window).

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.198.76 (talk) 10:37, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice way to sneak that cute joke in. :) You could start with Snellen chart to learn more. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:07, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 14

America, Republic and Empire

The user's other "work" is being reverted, and the user indef'd. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:54, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

America is an empire. America is an empire? America is not an empire. America is a republic. America has always been a republic. America is a republic, not an empire.

Kaypein (talk) 05:08, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, feel better now? 86.172.130.137 (talk) 08:23, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you stating an opinion, Kaypein, or do you have an actual question. If so, what is it, and does it depend on how words like "empire" and "republic" are defined, and whether or not they are considered mutually exclusive?

Also, by "America", can we presume that you mean the United States of America? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.41.197 (talk) 08:21, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Market ward" in Cambridge?

So I'm expanding the article for Ellis Gibbons and John Harley says that "He was listed in the Cambridge subsidy roles from 1598 to 1600, first as resident in the High ward, and then in the Market ward". A footnote at the bottom of the page explains that the "High ward" is mainly modern day Trinity Street but fails to explain what/where the Market ward is or where it would be today. I could be over thinking it and perhaps the "Market ward" is simply the modern day Market ward but I am hesitant about assuming so. Any ideas? Aza24 (talk) 07:43, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A districting system from over 400 years ago that's evidently seen the abolition of at least one district (High Ward) and the creation of many more (in the 1400s and 1500s there were only four wards of Cambridge, now there are many) suggests that the modern Market Ward is probably not exactly the same as the one of 400 years ago. Charles Henry Cooper's 1843 Annals of Cambridge may provide useful information. You can find it on HathiTrust: [5] (or alternatively find the modern Cambridge University Press rerelease at a library). 199.66.69.67 (talk) 14:17, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The 18th-century descriptions say that Bridgeward extended from Jesus Lane to Castle End; Preachers' Ward from Jesus Lane to St. Andrew's Street; Highward from St. John's College to Trumpington Road; and that Market Ward covered the Market and the adjoining area". The city of Cambridge: Wards, Victoria County History, London, 1959 (pp. 111-113).

We have an article on Market Hill, Cambridge which is to the east of the Church of St Mary the Great, Cambridge. Alansplodge (talk) 14:23, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Same link as above notes that the 19th century wards "were simply electoral districts and were constituted from entirely artificial groups of scattered parishes." This almost certainly extends to the modern wards, particularly given Market was one of those first electoral wards (comprising the Parishes of St. Mary the Great, St. Giles, and St. Edward). Cooper, Annals, vol. 4, p. 597. 199.66.69.67 (talk) 15:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@199.66.69.67 and Alansplodge: Thank you both for your terrific assistance! Aza24 (talk) 23:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Accession of King Baudouin

I've been tinkering with the Baudouin of Belgium article and the best source I can find in English, Wilsford, David, ed. (1995). Political Leaders of Contemporary Western Europe: A Biographical Dictionary. Greenwood Press. ISBN 978-0313286230., says that Leopold III of Belgium abdicated on 7 September 1951 but that Baudouin was sworn-in on 15 August 1951 (p. 27). Can anybody explain how this works? Were there two kings for a few weeks? Alansplodge (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Does Royal Question#Accession of Baudouin, 1951 answer that at all? It says Leopold abdicated on 16 July 1951, and not in September (cited to Witte, Els; Craeybeckx, Jan; Meynen, Alain (2009). Political History of Belgium from 1830 Onwards (New ed.). Brussels: ASP. ISBN 978-90-5487-517-8, p. 242). 199.66.69.67 (talk) 18:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The book is wrong. It even gets Baudouin's name wrong; he was never called "the First". His wife was not a Spanish princess either. Leopold abdicated on 16 July and Baudouin was sworn in the following day. This is a very good source if you speak any French. Surtsicna (talk) 19:12, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. In Britain, if one monarch leaves the throne, the next one becomes king or queen immediately. (Their coronation ceremony is purely commemorative.) Belgium has different rules, then? --174.89.49.204 (talk) 02:25, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Instantaneous and automatic accession seems to be confined to the UK and Commonwealth realms, as far as I can tell. I might be wrong. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 02:59, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if it's truly instantaneous (perhaps as a quantum entanglement effect), or if it's more classically limited by the speed of light? I believe Doctor Sir Terence Pratchett has speculated on the subject and postulated the existence of kingon (and queon) particles, which would presumably be some form of vector boson. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.19} 90.200.41.197 (talk) 13:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All I can tell you is that there is never any moment when there is not a UK monarch. The gap between the death of the old and the accession of the new is literally zero. Of course, humans with their limited technology can never say precisely when that moment was in any particular case. It's usually timed to the minute, a rather crude approximation when it comes to such abstruse matters. (But interestingly, the present Queen was the first monarch for many centuries whose moment of accession was not known to any better than a couple of hours, because George VI died during the night and was not discovered till the next morning). But none of this alters the instantaneousness of the transition, whenever it happens to occur. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 11:31, 16 July 2020 (UTC) [reply]

According to our Monarchy of Belgium article, automatic accession of the heir is the norm in Europe and Belgium is the sole exception. The information is unsourced, however. Surtsicna (talk) 20:05, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks all. Alansplodge (talk) 16:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 15

Literary endeavours

Irrelevant ramblings by banned user removed. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:25, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When I was a student at St Andrews in the 1970s, a story circulated that a new library building at Edinburgh University could not be used as intended because the architect had designed one or more floors to take the weight of the required shelves, but had forgotten to factor in the weight of the books they were meant to carry. It's so good a story that I've never had the heart to actually check its veracity. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.41.197 (talk) 15:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think every college/university has a similar urban legend. Certainly I heard it about one of the libraries at University of Waterloo in the 1990s. In that case, the fact it was an engineering school made the "fact" that much more salacious. Matt Deres (talk) 16:25, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also the fact that at Waterloo this was told of the university's arts library (which had its own building), not the engineering library (which didn't). And that when the arts library building first opened, it was only 7 floors high instead of the planned 10. Of course this was actually just because they didn't need all the space yet, and the other 3 floors were added later. More detail and photos here. --174.89.49.204 (talk) 18:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, here we go. Snopes to the rescue! Matt Deres (talk) 16:27, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So the ubiquitous bookless library legend is debunked. I note however from that Snopes piece the following: "Some tales involve . . . others deal with a residence hall which is sinking because its builder forgot to allow for the weight of the inhabitants and their possessions."

One of the newest residence hall at St. Andrews (in the 1970s) was Andrew Melville Hall. From the exterior, amongst rather rolling landscaping, it looked (and looks) a little like two ships colliding (originally several radiating wings were planned, but only the first two were built), and the rather spartan interior design used to remind me strongly of the internal corridors of a large car ferry. Whether or not it was sinking I hesitate to affirm, but certainly in wet weather the lowest, semi-basement level used to accumulate an inch or more of water on the floor, which was rather inconvenient for residents and visitors (of whom I was frequently one). One hopes that by now, 40-odd years later, the problem has been solved! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.41.197 (talk) 21:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Youtube clip

I'm looking into a topic which doesn't really have textual references, but rather has a citation in the form of a video from a news source. Are there any pages on wikipedia which use a Youtube clip as a source? If so, could you list a few please? 79.67.85.171 (talk) 14:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not finding it, but I'm fairly certain that YouTube, in general, is not considered a reliable source. The exception might be if a given YouTube channel is some entity's "official" YouTube. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Does WP:YOUTUBE help? Matt Deres (talk) 16:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anschluss

What was the international reaction to the Anschluss (Nazi Germany annexing Austria in 1938)? How did other countries respond? Thank you, Heyoostorm (talk) 20:02, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's a Reactions section in the Anschluss article. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A problem with the Google News Archive

I was able to access this old article on the Google News Archive because I had previously saved a link to it:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wCpUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IjoNAAAAIBAJ&pg=587,1878528&dq=111th-birthday&hl=en

This article is about the 111th birthday of Robert Alexander Early as well as about his death the following day. (If you're curious, he's certainly a real/true supercentenarian case. I have found his 1850, 1860, and 1870 US Census entries and numerous other records and documents for him and they--especially his earliest documents--confirm that he was the age that he claimed to be. One day, hopefully his case will be verified by the Gerontology Research Group instead of merely being a pending case on their lists.) Anyway, the problem is that even though I can access this Google News Archive article by clicking on its link, I am incapable of finding it by doing a search of the Google News Archive. Can anyone here please explain to me why exactly I cannot find this article by doing a search of the Google News Archive? I've tried and various searches of this archive always fail to return this article and really any article about Mr. Early even though I clearly remember when I was researching his case back in 2013 that the Google News Archive contained numerous articles about him from when he was ages 101 to 111 (so, for the last decade of his life). So, what's up with this? Any thoughts? Futurist110 (talk) 23:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 16

Southern Europe is politically clientelist?

I have seen people characterizing the domestic politics of Southern European countries most notably Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain as clientelist, as when compared to Northern Europe. How true is this? Are there good articles or academic papers on this specifically? StellarHalo (talk) 04:29, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Murder at the Palace

Say Prince Charles got a bit stressed out and murdered the Queen. An open and shut case, 'e done it all right, and he confessed.

Would this be a case of treason? I presume yes.
Would conviction of treason disqualify him from holding the Crown?
If not, would imprisonment for the rest of his life, for whatever reason, disqualify him from holding the Crown?
In the UK Constitution, the new monarch accedes instantaneously on the death of the old one. In this case, would he in fact accede, until such time as his guilt was established by a court, and then be dethroned?
If he acceded but was incarcerated pending trial, and thus unable to reign, would a regent be appointed pending justice taking its course?
Or, since he confessed and there was plenty of evidence against him anyway, would there even be a trial? I presume there'd still have to be a court hearing, for a judge to sentence him. But then he'd be in prison anyway, so same scenario.
But what if he was charged but there wasn't much evidence and he strenuously protested his innocence? This process would take a lot longer to resolve, so how would his status change, if at all, in the meantime? As he'd be presumed innocent, and he'd hardly be considered a flight risk, I guess he'd accede and take up his monarchical duties pending the resolution of the matter.
Is there any such thing as a "conditional accession" for cases like this?

I hope such a thing never happens, but in case anyone thinks it's an absurd and impossible scenario, have a look at Dipendra of Nepal. He was the heir; in 2001 he shot both his parents and seven other family members. He then shot himself, but survived for 4 days, during which time he was legally King of Nepal, succeeding his father (whom he had murdered). Then he was succeeded in turn by his brother. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 11:20, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you asking about the legal position or the likely position in practice? Legally, he would become King upon the death of the Queen, and would henceforth be immune from prosecution, regardless of how he got there. The only conditions on succeeding are those in the Act of Settlement 1701. (Yes, this in one sense a loophole in the law of succession to the British Crown - a member of the Royal Family could in theory do a Kind Hearts and Coronets on everyone ahead of them in the line of succession, and then be immune from prosecution because they are now the Sovereign. But I suspect no one has ever considered this an even remotely likely scenario!) In practice, I suspect that it would be made clear to him by the Prime Minister and other senior officials that he had two choices: (i) give Royal Assent to an Act of Parliament abdicating the Throne (and then be prosecuted for his crime), or (ii) refuse to do so, in which case Parliament would ignore him and either (a) hold him to have abdicated (as in the Glorious Revolution) or abolish the monarchy (in either case he would again be prosecuted for his crime). Proteus (Talk) 11:49, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

True or rumor?

I saw this video [6] on YouTube regarding the Hi-Fi Murders. Towards the end of the video, it's said Byron Hunter Naisbitt, passed away in 2012. I can't seem to find his obituary on the Internet. One comment claimed he's still alive. Is it true he passed away?2604:2000:1281:4B3:E489:B375:36EB:1AC5 (talk) 11:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Agency, Anadolu (2020-05-12). "Yunus Emre: Turkish folk poet on path of divine love". Daily Sabah. Retrieved 2020-06-06.

[2] ÇELİK, Aysun (25.06.2018). [www.ijoess.com/Makaleler/921398065_17.%201202%20-1223%20aysun%20%c3%a7elik.pdf ""THE IDEAL HUMAN FIGURE" IN SA'DI'S GULISTAN"] (PDF). IJOESS. Year: 9, Vol:9, Issue: 32: 1202–1223 – via ijoess.com. {{cite journal}}: Check |url= value (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)

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