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Unified Canadian Junior Heavyweight Championship
I've searched and I've not been able to find where it says that the Unified Canadian Junior Heavyweight Championship is promoted by MainStream Wrestling. I've checked Wrestling-Titles.com and it doesn't show that MSW has promoted any title like that. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 02:59, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
PCW Tag Team Championship
Last month Kenny won the PCW Tag Team Championship with Chris Stevens. "When the smoke cleared, Kenny reversed Knight for the three count as Omega & Stevens became the Undisputed PCW Tag Team Champions" Here is the link, if someone could make the correct edit and link that would be great.
http://www.premierchampionshipwrestling.com/ It is under the results for Boiling Point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.71.67.60 (talk) 00:42, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
New reliable source for addition
Came across a piece by media. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 03:21, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, I added some basic stuff off the article. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) #GG (talk) 12:44, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Could we mention this girl he delivered an enziguri to somewhere? Seems pretty legendary. Ranze (talk) 01:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
- Is this the nine-year-old girl he wrestled in Japan? Tigerboy1966 14:40, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- Yes. I added a bit on the match in the article. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen)(ZOOM) 16:22, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
6 Star Match
Didn't Meltzer give his match against Okada at WK11 six stars, not five? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.67.212 (talk) 09:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC) Apologies, should've added that this pertains to the Championships & Accomplishments section, not the main body text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.67.212 (talk) 09:16, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
- It was listed correctly until an IP changed it today. Changed back. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen)(ZOOM) 09:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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GA Review
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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 10:53, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.
If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)
I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.
Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.
Immediate Failures
It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria
- Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:21, 15 February 2019 (UTC)It contains copyright infringements
- Checked all images - All are free Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:21, 15 February 2019 (UTC)- CopyVio check brings up a 54% chance of an infringement, however, I don't buy it. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:25, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}).
- No tags, other than a dead link. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:21, 15 February 2019 (UTC)It is not stable due to edit warring on the page.
- Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:21, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Links
- No disambig links Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:24, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- several referencing errors that need tagging/fixing/archiving Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:24, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Prose
Lede
- Wikilink Professional wrestler Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- You should consider if you need to abbreviate a company name in the lede, if you don't use the abbreviation in the lede. Such as with AEW.Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Omega is perhaps best known for his tenure - [according to whom?] Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- A full list of his titles in New Japan is irrelevent. Only major titles in the lede. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- "Omega is also known for his time as part of the" - Bad word choice. Not GA level wordage. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- This whole lead both goes into too much detail, and too little. It is not well written Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- You've wikilinked the Young Bucks, you don't also need to say who they are. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- The 6-man titles are hardly a career highlight. Shouldn't be in the lead. Read WP:WEIGHT. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- More information on a tonne of titles in the last paragraph. The lede should summarize, and give a bit of info on career progression. This lede says he's worked places, and won all this stuff. It's hardly a summary. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Career
- Him having a sister should be in the personal life section. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:43, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- I started to do a review of this, but it's just not going to pass. I'll summarize my issues with the prose below, but there's quite a lot:
- WP:NPOV issues. Things like "impressive debut", " quickly became a rising star in PCW", can't be used, unless they are suitible [according to whom?] Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:46, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Comments like "Smith has stated in several interviews that his time spent with DSW was poor and has been particularly critical of promoters DeMott and Jody Hamilton,[17] and trainer Bob Holly.[21]", are fine, but should mention who these interviews are with. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:46, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Each section after the WWE section starts with "on X date, Omega debuted for". I understand he worked a lot of places simultaneously, however, it has zero flow. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:46, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- every section just goes through a list of results (apart from NJPW, which has other issues, below)Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:47, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- NJPW has HUGE paragraphs. This needs serious cutting down. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:47, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
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- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
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Comments
- I will start the review today, however, I may not finish the review, and will restart on Monday. Feel free to update the article to reflect any thing I have already highlighted, or discuss anything with me on this page, or my talk page. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:53, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Citizenship
"Canadian-born Japanese" - How is he Japanese? Isn't he Canadian? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 21:49, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- He stated during a press conference that he is a Canadian-born Japanese citizen. KyleJoan (talk) 14:18, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- @KyleJoan: where is the source? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 16:44, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Here is the article in question, which is cited under the personal life section. He also states it here. KyleJoan (talk) 17:03, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- @KyleJoan: Ok. But before you go for another review, please replace all the unreliable sources according to WP:PW/MOS. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 17:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- @KyleJoan: FYI it's WP:PW/RS, not WP:PW/MOS. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 22:30, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- @KyleJoan: Ok. But before you go for another review, please replace all the unreliable sources according to WP:PW/MOS. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 17:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Here is the article in question, which is cited under the personal life section. He also states it here. KyleJoan (talk) 17:03, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Already did that. All of the unproven sources are cited with discretion. If you would like to take a crack at it, feel free to do so. KyleJoan (talk) 03:29, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
The fact that he states it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. he may consider himself one just because he's been acclimated into the culture and became a fluent Japanese speaker. The fact that he's being routinely stopped at the border and that there is documentation indicated that NJPW has been trying to ban him from entering Japan, seems to indicate that he's not a Japanese citizen. A Japanese citizen would have automatic rights to enter the country and can never be banned from the country. In addition, Omega never provided any proof, such as a citizenship certificate, natrualization record, passport, etc. He's also never indicated any details about the supposed naturalization, such as the date of it or location. Lastly, Japanese Nationality Law requires foreigners to officially renounce citizenship. Japanese law does not allow dual citizenship. It doesn't look like Omega has gone to the Canadian government to renounce his citizenship, which would be highly unlikely. Therefore, I don't think there is sufficient evidence to indicate that he is a Japanese citizen. Here is an article that seems to increase the doubt that he has naturalized. https://www.ringsidenews.com/2019/11/07/attempts-made-to-ban-kenny-omega-from-entry-into-japan/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.12.174 (talk) 16:09, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
The fact that he states it doesn't necessarily mean it's true.
Unless another source states otherwise, this is the info we have.The fact that he's being routinely stopped at the border and that there is documentation indicated that NJPW has been trying to ban him from entering Japan, seems to indicate that he's not a Japanese citizen.
"Seems to indicate" is WP:SPECULATION.In addition, Omega never provided any proof, such as a citizenship certificate, natrualization record, passport, etc.
We don't have documentation of his supposed Canadian citizenship either.It doesn't look like Omega has gone to the Canadian government to renounce his citizenship, which would be highly unlikely.
WP:SPECULATION. Finally, per WP:PW/RS, Ringside News is unreliable. KyleJoantalk 16:38, 8 November 2019 (UTC)- Pretty much all of the above. Speculation, and non RS. There should be a paper trail somewhere to know what is actually true, but none of the evidence above can really change what we already have. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
GA Review
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Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.
If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)
I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.
Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)
Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.
Immediate Failures
It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria
-It contains copyright infringements
-It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}).
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- He is an executive vice president of All Elite Wrestling, where he also serves as an in-ring talent. - this sentence rubs me wrong. Is he not the vice president (is there more than one?), and "in-ring talent" is WP:JARGON. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- AEW has four EVPS: Cody, the Jacksons, and Omega. I rephrased it but can understand if it still sounds jarring. Let me know what you think! KyleJoantalk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- one-time IWGP Heavyweight Champion, one-time and inaugural IWGP United States Champion, and one-time IWGP Intercontinental Champion among other championships. (one-time is a bit pointless, can we just say "Omega has held the IWGP Heavyweight, United States... etc). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- He was a member of the stable Bullet Club - "stable" is Jargon. also, it should be after "bullet club". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- I added a link to what defines a stable. If this is improper, I'll change the word "stable" to "group". KyleJoantalk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- later serving as its fourth leader - fourth isn't important. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Omega has also performed as part of both American and Japanese independent promotions - well, he's worked worldwide. I know he did quite a few shows in 4 Front Wrestling for example. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- list of top 500 male wrestlers - could we link the PWI 500? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Omega battled Kazuchika Okada - battled is a weird word. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- WP:INFOBOXCITE is an issue. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- I moved all but one of the citations to the body. The only I'm having an issue with is the ring name Scott Carpenter because he's only been documented to have used it once, so there's no paragraph dedicated to the portion of his career under the ring name. I'd love suggestions on how to sort this. KyleJoantalk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Body
- His mother works in family services - this will be dated. Do we have a date as to when? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- atched tapes of WWE's Saturday Night's Main Event, which became his favorite program. - this would have been the WWF at the time, no? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- When did he debut? The infobox says differently. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- I consolidated all of the information in multiple sources to a single sentence in the early life section regarding his debut. KyleJoantalk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- dropped the title - Jargon Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- I revised all sentences that use the term "drop", but is it really considered jargon? Per Thesaurus.com, "drop" is a common synoym for lose. KyleJoantalk 23:31, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- former rival Rawskillz - "former rival" is not needed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- the team of Shawn Houston and Chris Raine "the team of" doesn't need to be there. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Millennium Wrestling Federation's ULTRA card - is the ULTRA card the name of the show? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, it is. It seems to be a recurring event for the promotion, held sporadically over the years. KyleJoantalk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- My knowledge isn't great on this, but should these be in italics, per MOS:ITALICTITLE? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:36, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- I believe the reason for the italicization of this one event is because it is also broadcast on television. KyleJoantalk 08:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- My knowledge isn't great on this, but should these be in italics, per MOS:ITALICTITLE? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:36, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, it is. It seems to be a recurring event for the promotion, held sporadically over the years. KyleJoantalk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- he was invited to a week-long tryout by WWE - WWF. WP:RECENTISM Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- This section's paragraph break was put in a weird place. I fixed that, and when he received his tryout, it was already WWE. KyleJoantalk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- After returning from a hiatus on November 15, 2014, JAPW stripped Omega of the Light Heavyweight Championship - Why? 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- I revised the sentence entirely because the title was vacated, therefore, Omega was only stripped in the process rather than due to a specific reason. KyleJoantalk 23:31, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Could we move the images to the right, please? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Done I also removed a picture that shows him with a different promotion than the section in which it was placed. KyleJoantalk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- there is a piece here - Regarding his life outside of wrestling, Smith said that he had no time to think about relationships because he was completely focused on his wrestling goals. - however, I know that shortly after this he began dating Hikaru Shida... I would recommend dating this statement. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:49, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- A video of the match went viral and made international news, after which Omega received death threats. - this needs a cite (and probably expansion!) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Personal life section needs to have better line breaks for paragraphs. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Watch out for WP:SEAOFBLUE. You added otaku gamer gimmick, which would need to be rephrased anyway. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:38, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- I rephrased the sentence and moved the gamer link to the personal life section. KyleJoantalk 08:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
Notes & References
- Oh, I saw a few references that are in Japanese, but aren't listed as such. Needs to be changed (IE, |lang=ja) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:36, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
General issues
- WP:INFOBOXCITE jumps out at me here. The infobox is full of citations, could we add some of these to the main body instead? The debut is weird, as the article doesn't mention 2000 at all. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:43, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- Other than the one citation to support the ring name, they all have been moved to the body. KyleJoantalk 07:43, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Be careful of image captions, captions should have something in there that describes why the image is importatnt. "Omega in 2010" is a really poor one, which could explain so much more. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:48, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- Could we get some WP:ALTTEXT? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:48, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- There are a few WP:DUPLINKS (not many). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:48, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- WP:JARGON is quite the issue here - things like "shot", "dropping the title", etc. need to be linked/explained. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
GA Review
- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
- Pass/Fail:
Comments
- Automated note - If you fancy returning the favour, I have outstanding GA nominations that require reviewing at WP:GAN. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these, however it's definately not manditory. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)
- Thank you for your willingness to write another GA review! I see that your GA nominations are currently under review, so I'll be sure to leave additional comments regarding those articles in the coming days. I do have a question, though. I'm not really clear on when the review a specific section is finished, so would it be more appropriate to address your concerns and update the content in accordance to your recommendations once the entire article has been reviewed? KyleJoantalk 08:52, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, yeah, I usually do this in stages, but I only had five minutes, so I just chucked a few comments here. I'll be adding additional nominations in the coming days, if you fancy doing a review (I'm currently 11 GA passed articles for this month, so my whole backlog has been worked through! Unheard of!), additionally, I do have an FA open at 2019 World Snooker Championship, if you would like to add some comments to that instead if you were interested. I'll try and get this one fully reviewed in the next two days or so. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:32, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- That's awesome! Shows how fascinating and notable your nominations are. I left some comments on your FA nomination. I hope they help it achieve FA. Wonderful work all around! And thank you! KyleJoantalk 01:47, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for doing that! Looks pretty good now, I'll do the review now (or some of it, it's a long article) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:13, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- right, on hold. There's only a few things here. It's the general issues that need addressing mostly. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:37, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- I'm ok with this - as is. There's always extra information, and extra cleanup, and a lot of work would need to be in place if you were to nominate for FAC, but as of today, this meets the GA criteria, so I'll promote. Congrats. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:14, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- right, on hold. There's only a few things here. It's the general issues that need addressing mostly. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:37, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for doing that! Looks pretty good now, I'll do the review now (or some of it, it's a long article) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:13, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- That's awesome! Shows how fascinating and notable your nominations are. I left some comments on your FA nomination. I hope they help it achieve FA. Wonderful work all around! And thank you! KyleJoantalk 01:47, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, yeah, I usually do this in stages, but I only had five minutes, so I just chucked a few comments here. I'll be adding additional nominations in the coming days, if you fancy doing a review (I'm currently 11 GA passed articles for this month, so my whole backlog has been worked through! Unheard of!), additionally, I do have an FA open at 2019 World Snooker Championship, if you would like to add some comments to that instead if you were interested. I'll try and get this one fully reviewed in the next two days or so. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:32, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for your willingness to write another GA review! I see that your GA nominations are currently under review, so I'll be sure to leave additional comments regarding those articles in the coming days. I do have a question, though. I'm not really clear on when the review a specific section is finished, so would it be more appropriate to address your concerns and update the content in accordance to your recommendations once the entire article has been reviewed? KyleJoantalk 08:52, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
"Canadian-born Japanese" or "Canadian professional wrestler living in Japan"
Just wondering what lede introduction sounds more appropriate to you guys. Should we stick with "Canadian born-Japanese" or maybe change to "Canadian professional wrestler living in Japan", or perhaps something else. Stating that he is a "Canadian born-Japanese" may make it sound like he is of Japanese descent, but he is just simply a Japanese citizen. A bit trivial I know, but might cause a bit of confusion. Just wondering what everyone thinks sounds better. Ducktech89 (talk) 13:42, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- I believe what exists in the article is appropriate.
Canadian-born Japanese
means exactly that: Born in Canada, national of Japan. KyleJoantalk 14:07, 16 January 2020 (UTC)- I think the same. Canadian professional wrestler living in Japan looks like he is not a Japanese citizen, just living in other country, like Sheamus. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:55, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
RfC about the lead section
Which of the two versions of a paragraph in the lead section is more suitable for the article?
A. Omega has also performed as part of American Ring of Honor and several independent professional wrestling promotions worldwide, including DDT Pro-Wrestling, Jersey All Pro Wrestling, and Pro Wrestling Guerrilla. Omega additionally was assigned to WWE farm territory, Deep South Wrestling, between 2005 and 2006.
B. Omega has also performed as part of larger national and international promotions, such as WWE and Ring of Honor, as well as independent professional wrestling promotions worldwide, including DDT Pro-Wrestling, Jersey All Pro Wrestling, and Pro Wrestling Guerrilla.
Please enter your votes under Survey and conduct any discussions under Comments. Thank you! KyleJoantalk 09:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Survey
- Option A. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:55, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Option A - "Developmental farm" is necessary to point out.LM2000 (talk) 12:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Option A - other option is misleading. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:19, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support B per WP:DUE and MOS:LEADREL. Omega's stint in DSW is documented in the span of three sentences in the body, therefore, it is sufficient to mention that he performed as part of WWE, the company under which he was contracted. Furthermore, singling out DSW creates a weird flow where we don't know what type of promotion it is; consequently, ROH is also mentioned without any description. Finally, detailing when he was in DSW is overly specific, as no other years are noted. KyleJoantalk 11:37, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Comments
- I made the change. Option A is more accurate, while option B induce error. Omega signed a develoment contract with WWE, but he was assigned to Deep South Wrestling, the farm territory. He never worked outisde Georgia. Option B looks like he wrestled for WWE in the main roster, but he never had a match in a WWE ring. Kyle says it's overlyspecific, but other articles includes when a wrestler worked in WWE farm territry. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:55, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Examples: GA Brock Lesnar (He was assigned to its developmental promotion Ohio Valley Wrestling (OVW),) GA Dolph Ziggler (with WWE in 2004 and was sent to Ohio Valley Wrestling (OVW)/Nemeth was assigned to Florida Championship Wrestling (FCW), ) FA Shelton Benjamin (Benjamin started his professional wrestling career in WWE's developmental territory Ohio Valley Wrestling (OVW)) GA Charlie Haas ( The Haas Brothers were assigned to WWE's developmental territories,)
He never worked outisde Georgia.
WP:OR; no citation in the article neither supports nor refutes this. The Lesnar article was promoted in '08, the Ziggler article in '10, the Benjamin article in '07, the Haas article in '09; do we really believe these articles could pass a reassesment? KyleJoantalk 17:06, 31 January 2020 (UTC)- During his time in DSW, he only wrestled 15 matches, all in Georgia. If you look in the promotion list, he never wrestled in WWE, not even a dark match in Heat or Velocity. Claimin he workd with WWE it's misleading. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:34, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- In that case, why mention DSW at all when his stint in PCW is more extensively documented? Sounds like WP:UNDUE. The notable part about his DSW stint is that he was under a WWE contract, which brings me back to how the body documents his WWE run–which was spent in DSW–in three sentences and how describing said WWE run in one full sentence in the lead does not adhere to MOS:LEADREL when there are paragraphs/sections that are only briefly mentioned or not mentioned at all. Furthermore, what is
American Ring of Honor
? KyleJoantalk 18:00, 31 January 2020 (UTC)- In that case, remove the DSW section. Again, he signed a develoment contract with WWE, but he never worked for them, just was assigned to other promotion as a develoment talent. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:01, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
I struck the DSW sentence as requested.To clarify, your definition of working for WWE is appearing on WWE TV, correct? In relation, talents that were only in developmental territories didn't work for WWE because they wereassigned to other promotion as a develoment talent
? KyleJoantalk 18:11, 31 January 2020 (UTC)- Yes. I mean, people who doesn't know Omega, read "he worked for WWE", without specification, they would think he wrestled on WWE TV, RAW, SmackDown. And people doesn't always read the entire article, justthe lead. The point it's to clarify he signed a develoment deal with WWE, but worked on another promotion. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:26, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- I feel a more accurate lede would read something like
Omega wrestled for WWE's development territory Deep South Wrestling from 2005 to 2006
. It is true that DSW talents were signed to a WWE contact, per Slam Sports! and PWInsider, the fact remains that he never made it to television, or even a house show. A distinction should be made. DTH89(sexy talk page) 02:50, 1 February 2020 (UTC) - Also, regarding Omega's time in PCW, as KyleJoan (talk · contribs) pointed out that it was "more extensively documented" than his time in DSW, a quick sentence could be added summarising this, saying something along the lines of
Omega also wrestled extensively for Premier Championship Wrestling in his home country of Canada for much of his career
. DTH89(sexy talk page) 02:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- In that case, remove the DSW section. Again, he signed a develoment contract with WWE, but he never worked for them, just was assigned to other promotion as a develoment talent. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:01, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- In that case, why mention DSW at all when his stint in PCW is more extensively documented? Sounds like WP:UNDUE. The notable part about his DSW stint is that he was under a WWE contract, which brings me back to how the body documents his WWE run–which was spent in DSW–in three sentences and how describing said WWE run in one full sentence in the lead does not adhere to MOS:LEADREL when there are paragraphs/sections that are only briefly mentioned or not mentioned at all. Furthermore, what is
- During his time in DSW, he only wrestled 15 matches, all in Georgia. If you look in the promotion list, he never wrestled in WWE, not even a dark match in Heat or Velocity. Claimin he workd with WWE it's misleading. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:34, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Examples: GA Brock Lesnar (He was assigned to its developmental promotion Ohio Valley Wrestling (OVW),) GA Dolph Ziggler (with WWE in 2004 and was sent to Ohio Valley Wrestling (OVW)/Nemeth was assigned to Florida Championship Wrestling (FCW), ) FA Shelton Benjamin (Benjamin started his professional wrestling career in WWE's developmental territory Ohio Valley Wrestling (OVW)) GA Charlie Haas ( The Haas Brothers were assigned to WWE's developmental territories,)
Hmm… At this point, I'm more in favor of removing any mention of DSW from the lead altogether. My belief was PCW was not mentioned in the lead because the promotion didn't have its own article and therefore was arguably not as notable as the ones that were included. Per MOS:LEADREL (i.e., . . . emphasis given to material should reflect its relative importance to the subject, according to published reliable sources.
), the lead shouldn't include every promotion in which he worked because there are more reliable sources supporting the documentation of his stints in more notable promotions. KyleJoantalk 04:30, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- PCW is where he debuted and got his start, even though it doesn't have a wiki page, surely it has some significance. Not sure if it's lede worthy though. WP:PW/MOS recommends that for the lede section that we should
summarize the most significant events in the wrestler's career for which they are known, including their stints in promotions
, surely some time in WWE is notable for the lede, as he was technically on the books and under contract. Omega also mentioned his time under the WWE system in several interviews, so it's not like it's been swept under the rug. I think his time in DSW should stay, but perhaps not his PCW stint. DTH89(sexy talk page) 06:02, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- PCW is where he debuted and got his start, even though it doesn't have a wiki page, surely it has some significance. Not sure if it's lede worthy though. WP:PW/MOS recommends that for the lede section that we should
In Ring Mannerisms
Kenny Omega's in ring style includes overly dramatic facial expressions, an excessive amount of finger pointing, hopping before he runs, and on occasion jazz hands. It is said that Kenny Omega has a striking resemblance to Harpo Marx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redskull1944 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
Residence update maybe?
On the latest episode of the podcast AEW Unrestricted, Tony Khan mentions that Kenny now lives in Florida. I was wondering if that should be something that should be added to the page or if we'd need more information in order to add it? Techno Bacon (talk) 22:47, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Residence
It’s confirmed that Kenny now lives in Florida. He either lives in Jacksonville or Orlando, and I believe Michael Nakazawa lives with him.
He also has a cat named Dobby CF27 (talk) 18:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Can you provide sources to verify these claims? KyleJoantalk 04:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Criticism section
This article reads like a fanzine. Omega has also been commented on in a less flattering manner. But you wouldn't know that from reading this article.
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