Talk:TikTok

Should we make Douyin a separate page?

We all know that Douyin (the Chinese TikTok app) redirects to TikTok. But there is hardly any Douyin information on TikTok. Some people want information on the Chinese Edition. I think we should either split Douyin into a separate page or put more Douyin information on the TikTok page. MrCoolGuy159 (talk) 20:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support While I do agree this is a separate topic to be covered by a different app, the app's framework is essentially the same. Take a look at WeChat, an app with two separate servers: one for China, and one for the rest of the world. They have the same framework both inside and outside of China, just separate servers. Same with TikTok. Aasim 20:34, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment for Awesome Aasim Yes, I understand. Most apps are the same worldwide. Maybe not a split. We could possibly put more information about Douyin on the TikTok page. MrCoolGuy159 (talk) 21:18, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support for separate page. Having two pages, one for TikTok and a separate page for Douyin will make it eminently clear that these are two different apps, even if owned by the same company, with one limited to use in China (Douyin) and the other (TikTok) for the rest of the world. Their histories, usage and other facts can then be easily kept separate, even if there is a small overlap of history. The truth is, since there is already a redirect for Douyin that points here, no real split would be needed. Only to add content to the redirect page and stop the redirect. I think it would make for a clearer, more compelling, user experience. 207.177.224.108 (talk) 14:48, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support for separate page. Tiktok is very different from Douyin. The information has a big difference. So I think it is necessary to separate them. --$\sideset {_{R}^{u}}{_{u}^{y}}\prod _{\clubsuit }^{i}$ ${}_{S}^{h}\!\Omega _{n}^{e}$ 04:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support It's the same app --Mvvnlightbae (talk) 20:05, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Mvvnlightbae. Emphrase (talk) 20:40, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support for the creation of a separate Douyin article. Unlike other apps such as WeChat, accounts and posts on TikTok cannot be seen on Douyin and vice versa. Although post-Musical.ly TikTok is nearly identical to Douyin in design and structure (owing to both being owned by ByteDance), the two apps function as practically independent from one another while still being managed by the same parent company. Khu'hamgaba Kitap ^talk 20:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose It's the same service operated in two different regions under two different names. It'd be tantamount to making separate articles for Family Computer and Nintendo Entertainment System. Information on Douyin should instead be expanded upon in the TikTok article. Sonictrey (talk) 10:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
• Unless there are significant differences in functionalities, I would Strongly Oppose. Compare Super Famicom v. Famicom or the English and Japanese dubs of Sailor Moon to say Super Sentai versus the Power Rangers. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:57, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Information on Douyin would fit in this article, no need for a separate page. JE98 (talk) 14:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support because they are separate services. Lycopene579 (talk) 01:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose as stated above. Nate 2169 ^Talk
  _{Contributions} 00:28, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

• Strong Support —Transfer the article into Douyin for chinese version and Merge TikTok with Musical.ly for global version. Manasbose (talk) 15:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

  @Manasbose: musical.ly and TikTok are not the same thing. The service musical.ly does not exist anymore because its content got migrated to TikTok. Aasim 17:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose we can have separate content on Douyin in TikTok itself. I don't think there are huge differences between TikTok and Douyin. Abishe (talk) 06:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Abishe. 131.111.5.183 (talk) 06:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support for separate page. We have the same problem on this article where outdated info about Douyin got mixed with TikTok info, which doesn't make any sense. These are two separate apps, with two distinct user bases and a different history. Two distinct articles will make things less confusing. --Deansfa (talk) 13:42, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose It's the same app. However, there can be a separate section containing the small differences between TikTok and "Douyin". ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 09:34, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose I do agree that more information about Douyin should be added but I do not think there is a much of a difference between TikTok and Douyin besides the legal differences due to Chinese law we could mention the small differences on this article but there is not enough differences to create a new article and TikTok is more internationally known then Douyin so renaming the article is not a good idea 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 15:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Same app, different language. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 10:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Support They are different apps. Laysoo (talk) 12:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
  • How are they different? I believe that the only surface differences are language. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:04, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Support The introductory segment of the page is very dense, with too much unnecessary detail at this point in the page. It's not a great on-ramp to the article; it's pretty off-putting, in fact. Anything that can streamline it would be a good thing! Zedembee (talk) 04:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support Split it out for now and can merge it back if it doesn't split well --Lena Virginia Birse (talk) 23:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Strong Support it should be split, if it doesn't work we can merge it back. Rushtheeditor (talk) 2:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Same app, but different languages. No point
• Oppose per all previous comments above, they're the same app. JE98 (talk) 20:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Support. They are not the same app. It's like saying Google China is the same company as Google and does not deserve its own article. ALL the issues and controversies applied to Tit Tok aren't applied to Douyin. As well, the user base is entirely different. You can't say Dilraba Dilmurat is on TitTok; she apparently isn't. As well, even app functionaries have begun to be different. To conclude, they are entirely different apps owned by the same company. Douyin needs its own article for Douyin-specific content. Sherwilliam (talk) 20:02, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Security Issue

FYI - iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents every few keystrokes --- • Sbmeirow • Talk • 10:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

• from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23634138
• MAY snoop on clipboard contents? Really? I think it is fairly well established that it definitely does that. (Unless you are suggesting that iOS14 is wrong about TikTok copying clipboard contents every ~3 or so keystrokes?) Whether it actually does anything with the snooped information is theoretically arguable, but doing so raises the entirely reasonable question of 'if it isn't doing anything with that information then why is it gathering it in the first place?' 202.142.134.109 (talk) 13:03, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Puffy AI

Heh, my "reason" strings got a bit out of control there, so I'm copying them here as well.

Compared to other consumer algorithms such as YouTube and Netflix with a list of recommended videos, TikTok interprets the user's individual preferences and provides content that they would enjoy.

{{failed verification|reason=the word "enjoy" does not appear; Facebook has many (mis)features that people tolerate rather than enjoy, because they value the platform as a whole; the only real standard here for user acceptance (beyond the highly subjective decree) appears to be that it hasn't actually driven users away; additionally, the only way it's not a "recommendation" is when you are 100% forced to continue, though it might indeed be a solo recommendation, rather than a plurality}}{{better source needed|reason="biased corporate blog with a dog in the ring, and prose such as 'Yet the firm has contrived to channelise the very cause of its scrape as the tool for its solution.'"}}

— MaxEnt 16:50, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Potential Splitting of Article into 'Censorship of TikTok'

As you most likely are aware, several governments have threatened to censor TikTok including the United States government. The Indian government has already censored TikTok and this is documented in a small section at the bottom of the article. Should more governments censor TikTok, I think we should create an article similar to Censorship of Twitter. Thoughts? JMonkey2006 (talk) 11:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

• Strong Support I agree with JMonkey2006, it should be split along with Douyin. Rushtheeditor (talk) 2:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Under "National Security Concerns-United States" the final line of the second paragraph reads, "Legislation was subsequently introduced in the U.S. Senate that would prohibit all federal employees from using or downloading TikTok.[129]" The phrasing here may be misleading; the source cited (129) only discusses a potential ban on US Government employees downloading TikTok on government-owned devices. Source 129 makes no mention of unilaterally banning US Government employees from using TikTok. Given that the current phrasing may lead readers to inaccurately conclude that the US Government is considering banning federal employees from using TikTok on their privately owned devices in addition to government owned devices, it might be useful to change the phrasing.

I would recommend editing the sentence to read, "Legislation was subsequently introduced in the U.S. Senate that would prohibit all federal employees from using or downloading TikTok on devices issued by the U.S. government.[129]" for greater clarity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.26.74 (talk) 02:00, 29 July 2020 (UTC)