User talk:Bohemian Alchemyst
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Please help me with... Hello!
I've just joined Wikipedia and put quite considerable time into making List of occultists more academically credible. One of the contributors to the page has rolled this back to the page it was before which was acknowledged to need reform. Is there anything I can do about this? I don't know what the rules are but I can't imagine that ownership of pages is something which is tolerated here?
Thank you for any help you can offer. Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 17:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- You are engaged in a content dispute and the proper place to discuss your disagreements is Talk:List of occultists. This is not an appropriate use of the {{help}} template, sorry. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 18:01, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
First Warning
Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to List of occultists, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Don’t make ground breaking changes without extensive discussion at the talk page. This is your first warning. Celestina007 17:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Changes
You may not make such ground breaking changes as you did at the List of occultists article without first seeking consensus at the talk page of that article. If you continue this disruptive editing I’d see to it that you are blocked for not being here to build an encyclopedia or to abide by the spirit of consensus & collaborative editing. Celestina007 17:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, I'm going to get a more experienced editor here to check over my edits. You clearly feel ownership of that page despite its poor condition and I think an experienced Wikipedian checking over my work would be the best way forward. Thank you for making me feel welcome. Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 17:52, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- Bohemian Alchemyst, no I don’t feel like I WP:OWN the article, I did not create it, although I should say that I have made significant contributions to the article I do not feel like own it. What you did was wrong & contacting the most experienced of editors wouldn’t change a thing. If you are going to make such bold changes, you have to first seek consensus on the talk page of that article first & when significant contributors to that article “okay” your changes then you may go ahead to make those changes anything else is disruptive editing which if you continue would invariably land you a block. You are a new editor, barely 7 hours old. How about study some of our policies, guidelines & essays before jumping into areas where even experienced editors tread with caution. If you have anymore questions leave me a message on my talk page. Celestina007 18:08, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Celestina007:, one point of clarification: In the absence of a specific local restriction, there is no general requirement for any editor, no matter how new, to seek talk page permission before making changes of any size as long as they comply with the core content policies. Be bold, the normal editing cycle and "anyone can edit" still have some meaning, after all. If another editor objects and reverts those changes, as in this case, then the edit-war prohibitions obviously mean the changes should not be re-instated without talk page discussion. That is exactly what Bohemian Alchemyst should have done after you reverted their changes and what should take place now. They especially should not have accused you of vandalism and I can see how that would have been upsetting. There is, however, no "Mother may I?" prior permission requirement. So, Bohemian Alchemyst, please take these revisions to the talk page and try to work out Celestina007's objections civilly there. I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:31, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for clarifying. However, if you want to talk about upsetting can we take a moment to think about how it feels to take the time to open an account and put three hours of work into making a page that's riddled with subjective, unprofessional data, something closer to encyclopedia standard and then having that reverted by the only person who has contributed to that page in months. I have a doctorate in history with a specialisation in the role of the occult in the history of ideas. I have already contributed meaningfully but instead I feel like I've wasted three hours. I doubt that I'll be contributing any further given the unfriendly, possessive experience that this has been.Bohemian Alchemyst (talk) 18:43, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Celestina007:, one point of clarification: In the absence of a specific local restriction, there is no general requirement for any editor, no matter how new, to seek talk page permission before making changes of any size as long as they comply with the core content policies. Be bold, the normal editing cycle and "anyone can edit" still have some meaning, after all. If another editor objects and reverts those changes, as in this case, then the edit-war prohibitions obviously mean the changes should not be re-instated without talk page discussion. That is exactly what Bohemian Alchemyst should have done after you reverted their changes and what should take place now. They especially should not have accused you of vandalism and I can see how that would have been upsetting. There is, however, no "Mother may I?" prior permission requirement. So, Bohemian Alchemyst, please take these revisions to the talk page and try to work out Celestina007's objections civilly there. I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:31, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- Bohemian Alchemyst, no I don’t feel like I WP:OWN the article, I did not create it, although I should say that I have made significant contributions to the article I do not feel like own it. What you did was wrong & contacting the most experienced of editors wouldn’t change a thing. If you are going to make such bold changes, you have to first seek consensus on the talk page of that article first & when significant contributors to that article “okay” your changes then you may go ahead to make those changes anything else is disruptive editing which if you continue would invariably land you a block. You are a new editor, barely 7 hours old. How about study some of our policies, guidelines & essays before jumping into areas where even experienced editors tread with caution. If you have anymore questions leave me a message on my talk page. Celestina007 18:08, 31 July 2020 (UTC)