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Hoax discussion

According to the information provided on the last external link before the map, this publication has detailed information backing up the existence of this system. Note that it is published by the Department of Defense. 

TITLE: Military forces in transition.
PUBLISHED: 1991- Washington, D.C. : Dept. of Defense : For sale by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. G.P.O.,
 1991- v., ill. (some col.) ; 28 cm. + map 1991-
FREQUENCY: Annual
ISSN: 1062-6557
SUPT OF DOCS #: D 1.74:
OTHER SYSTEM #: (OCoLC)25013229
CARD NUMBER: sn91-23807

Also from the Library of Congress 

LC Control No.:    92600057
Type of Material:  Book (Print, Microform, Electronic, etc.)
Main Title:        Military forces in transition.
Published/Created: Washington, D.C. : Dept. of Defense : For sale by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. G.P.O., [1991-
Related Names:     United States. Dept. of Defense.
Description:       v. : ill. (some col.) ; 28 cm. + map
Notes:             Title from cover.
                   Item 306-A-5
Subjects:          Soviet Union--Armed Forces.
LC Classification: UA770 .M55 1991
Government Document No.: D 1.74:
Geographic Area Code: e-ur---

See if you can find this book - http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/oclc/25013229;jsessionid=70F3DA1CDD0C15CB57512F57663DB583.two?tab=holdings lensovet 03:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If such large underground system really existed, there'd probably be much more sources to rely on. Maybe there were plans to build a secret underground network, but that it actually was built and no information leaked out seems totally implausible.  Grue  08:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well that presentely all information that does exist is based on rumours for exactly that reason. Nevertheless the speculation is open to everybody. --Kuban Cossack 11:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Considering the fact that this is supposed to be a secret network used solely for government purposes by the KGB, etc, I'm not sure how exactly there are supposed to be more sources. Ever hear of the secret service? lensovet 21:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But Wikipedia articles must have sources. All this article contains is rumors, and there are no sourced facts. The very existance of the topic cannot be proven, yet the article tells the reader that Metro 2 exists as a fact. At the very least the article must make clear that the whole thing is a rumor.  Grue  22:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is a rumour that is based on speculation, yet there are separate sourced pieces of "suggesting" evidence, which is indeed sourced. I shall have a more closer look into this article at a latter date. --Kuban Cossack 23:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you look on the main article page, you can follow a link that contains scans from the CIA docs. Decide for yourself as to how valid that intelligence info is. —lensovet–talk – 01:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a source to the diggers bit on the article. Authough im new at this refrenceing to books lark so if anyone can add any info ive missed out that would be cool.--Talkshowbob (talk) 01:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Metro-2 is surely an urban legend, that must be mentioned in article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.81.166.199 (talk) 22:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Current Russian article

Current article in Russian contains virtually all the information leaked to public to date. It's more that enough not only to say that system does exist - there are at least six such systems in Moscow itself and it's vicinity, and three are described in details. We just currently don't have anyone who would translate all that. All these speculations about existence of the system are because the public (not government ;) outside of Russia is not informed well. It's not the only military megaproject anyway - remember S-25 --Varnav (talk) 18:56, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you want me to translate it? I could manage to do that. Anyways, russian article is full of (russian) source, as well as witness' statements, and therefore it is not an urban legend.84.227.139.28 (talk) 00:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's hearsay from the first letter to the last. Just as this article itself is. Danvolodar (talk) 18:25, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be wise to put the use of this "line" as a big plot element on the Russian serie of novels Metro 2033. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.125.186.54 (talk) 12:47, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

this needs to be deleted, don't you agree?

>In 1994, the leader of an urban exploration group, the Diggers of the Underground Planet, claimed to have found an entrance to this underground system.[4] The Metro-2 rumors have been dismissed by one source as "a parody excursion by public transport into the murky world of 'intelligence'".[5] This source describes virtually all available information as "speculative, unsupported by documentation such as photographs. There are narratives told by people who said they helped build Metro-2, and urban spelunkers claim to have 'seen' Metro-2, but there are no explicit 'firsthand' accounts."[5]188.25.174.11 (talk) 22:26, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The first part is fine, since it's actually reliably sourced, but the second portion was sourced to a blog and, therefore, not reliable. Kindzmarauli (talk) 14:42, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article information from RBTH

After World War II, construction of underground shelters, meant to protect civilians from after-effects of nuclear bombing, started in Moscow. But the highest government and military officials needed special protection – during wartime, only they can make decisions and apply measures to save the country.

Specially fortified shelters were built under strict secrecy in different parts of Moscow. To escape Moscow in case of bombing, the people in charge also needed means of secure transportation. Regular subway was unfit for that because of low level of protection, so “second subway” was constructed – it connects major government shelters and underground command centers, and also has a long radius leading outside the city borders, to vast suburban shelters. This system was labeled “Metro-2” by Muscovites.[1]

There are not state secrets, as all the evidence that proves the existence of these systems is quite public.Cite error: The <ref> tag name cannot be a simple integer (see the help page). 

==Caps of mining shafts and ventilation kiosks==

There are caps of mining shafts and ventilation kiosks, located in different parts of the city. Moscow subway lines were constructed using the “deep bore” method, when a shaft about 20 feet in diameter and 200 feet to 230 feet deep is dug to reach the level where actual line construction starts. Later, the shaft is used both to transport mining machines down to the mining level, and to remove the earth.

After the construction is completed, the shaft closes, and when it’s open, it means that works are under way.

In the 1970s, one such shafts was located near Red Square, inside the building of Gostinyi dvor, and could be seen on panoramic photos of the Kremlin.

Today, another shaft can be seen near Kitay-gorod subway station, although it’s clear that civil subway construction here had stopped decades ago.

There are also a few active shafts in suburbs and outside city borders, where subways doesn’t exist.

The shabby, almost abandoned looks of shafts and ventilation kiosks contribute to their secrecy; meanwhile, they are duly guarded and impossible to infiltrate. 

==Inside the Moscow subway==

Evidence can also be seen inside the Moscow subway.

  1. There are blocked stairways and gates leading to “nowhere” in some of the stations
  2. The famous dead-end line, that can be seen to the left of the train going from Sportivnaya station to Universitet stations. The line, as amateur explorers report, ends near a massive gate, which is believed to be one of the entrances to Metro-2.

An inside source told RBTH that each of the officers with access to Metro-2 is allowed only into one part of the system. None of them know how many clearance levels there are, so nobody sees the whole picture and possesses the whole plan, making the declassification of the whole installation virtually impossible.

  1. ^ Underground Soviet shelters and the secret Metro-2, December 26 2013 Greorgy Manaev RBTH
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