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Reference 12 links to Independent (newspaper) article, which only mentions OPCW report, but does not link to it. Here is the summary of the report from OPCW which should be used instead as its reliable source:

https://www.opcw.org/sites/default/files/documents/S_series/2018/en/s-1612-2018_e_.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.1.157.210 (talk) 23:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done The article here already included a reference by the OPCW that they had issued this report but it now also includes a link to the .pdf as above, which of course does not reveal the actual structure of the novichok agent, which was kept secret. Mikedt10 (talk) 17:00, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A-234 Mass Spectrum

The Russian Wikipedia page on Novichoks contains the following graphic: https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Kivelidi_Edgewood_spectra_2.png Top: Mass spectrum of agent with which Kivelidi was poisoned. Bottom: Mass spectrum of A-234 from the NIST98 as reported by Edgewood Arsenal. The top spectrum has a peak at 42, while the bottom one does not. Does anyone have any idea as to what the significance of that is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alure155 (talk • contribs) 00:51, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It just means a molecule with a molecular mass of 42 was present, could be any number of substances, C3H6 is 3 x 12 + 6 x 1 = 42 which is cyclo-propane ,a common propellant in aerosols, many simple solvents could also have a molecular weight of 42. You can do a search by molecular weight here https://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cbook.cgi?Value=42&VType=MW&Formula=&AllowExtra=on&Units=SI&cMS=on There are some pictures here too, https://www2.chemistry.msu.edu/faculty/reusch/VirtTxtJml/Spectrpy/MassSpec/masspec1.htm note that some molecules get broken up inside the mass spectrometer, so you will see peaks at all the possible fragment weights. It is possible that 42 is the weight of a fragment or an impurity. Salbayeng (talk) 10:00, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
8/24/2020 In outdated topic "Novichok". There was a pick from interested parties / visitors to the page.

Several of these seek additional explanations. As for Novitshok non-military modifications "Nivitshok Famely". Possible symptoms and long-term consequences for health. Yes ! First, - gastroenterals. After that? ... Mild to moderate difficulty concentrating? And what else  ? Yes, that's right ! Wikipedia is an inciclopedia for the children. No medical portal. But . When our children go to school on September 1st. And if you have poor concentration ... You will, possibly, find a remedy, look for some information on Wikipedia.org.Salbayeng2 (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"FOLIANT"

Is this codename a NATO reporting name or somesuch? If it is a Soviet codename, what was it really, was it "foliant" in Russian, or some Cyrillic characters that are equivalent to FOLIANT or sound like "Foliant"? This needs a Russian language original term added. -- 65.94.170.98 (talk) 14:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the Russian Wikipedia, I believe it is "Фолиант". Can somebody find a source for it? I do not understand Russian. ― Hebsen (talk) 15:21, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

Foliant redirects here. Please change the hatnote to indicate the Olympic medalist horse "Foliant".

Change:

{{redirect|Foliant|chemicals used to remove leaves|Defoliant}}

"Foliant" redirects here. For chemicals used to remove leaves, see Defoliant.

to:

{{redirect|Foliant|chemicals used to remove leaves|Defoliant|the horse|List of Olympic medalists in equestrian}}

"Foliant" redirects here. For chemicals used to remove leaves, see Defoliant. For the horse, see List of Olympic medalists in equestrian.

-- 65.94.170.98 (talk) 14:37, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: There is really not much information about Foliant the horse in that list. It is only mentioned once. ― Hebsen (talk) 15:15, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
An Olympic medallist horse should get a mention, even if it is to the list where it tells you the circumstances of the medalling. -- 65.94.170.98 (talk) 22:34, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remember Wikipedia is not news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-54002880 2A00:1FA0:83C:2360:142:9DC8:4587:57F5 (talk) 16:49, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

At the beginning of the last sentence of the preamble: "In the 21th century" should read "In the 21st century" Kramer2718 (talk) 19:38, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

done MartinezMD (talk) 20:24, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Could someone replace this:

The forerunner of Novichok agents, substance-33 (frequently also referred to simply as "Novichok")[1] was reportedly used in 1995 to poison Russian banker Ivan Kivelidi [ru], and Zara Ismailova, his secretary.[2][3][4][5][6]

With this (or a similar variation):

A novichok agent[7] was used in 1.8.1995 to poison Russian banker Ivan Kivelidi [ru], who died three days later in a hospital at the age of 46.[8] The poison was applied to Kivelidi's office phone in Moscow.[9][7] His secretary Zara Ismailova also got symptoms on 2.8.1995 and then died a day later in a hospital at the age of 35.[8]

Old version has the following problems: substance-33 is not mentioned anywhere in the cited sources (I don't think anyone has publicly disclosed which novichok agent it actually was), the picture (Novichok agent formula from Kivelidi case.svg) is not substance-33 (or any other novichok agent I could find: see for yourself), there is a citation overkill and lack of specificity (when, where and how?). Sorry about the wacky formatting of this comment. 5-HT2AR (talk) 01:28, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Secret trial shows risks of nerve agent theft in post-Soviet chaos:..." Reuters. 20 March 2018.
  2. ^ Strokan, Sergey; Yusin, Maksim; Safronov, Ivan; Korostikov, Mikhail; Inyutin, Vsevolod (13 March 2018). "И яд следовал за ним" [And the poison followed him]. Kommersant (in Russian). No. 41. p. 1. Retrieved 13 March 2018.
  3. ^ Stanley, Alessandra (9 August 1995). "Moscow Journal; To the Business Risks in Russia, Add Poisoning". The New York Times.
  4. ^ McGregor 2011, p. 166
  5. ^ "Theresa May accuses Russia of involvement in Skripal's poisoning, as Russian-made prohibited substance discovered". Crime Russia. 13 March 2018. Archived from the original on 14 March 2018. Retrieved 13 March 2018.
  6. ^ Stewart, Will (13 March 2018). "Were these the first victims of nerve agent Novichok? Russian banker and secretary 'assassinated' in mysterious circumstances 20 years ago". Daily Mirror. Retrieved 13 March 2018.[unreliable source?]
  7. ^ a b Stewart, Will (2018-03-13). "'First victims' of deadly Russian nerve agent Novichok revealed". mirror. Retrieved 2020-09-06.
  8. ^ a b Stanley, Alessandra (1995-08-09). "To the business risks in Russia, add poisoning". The New York Times. Retrieved 2020-09-06.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  9. ^ Shleynov, Roman (2018-04-10). "Novichok has already killed". Retrieved 2020-09-06.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
Is nobody gonna react to these potentially false claims regarding "substance-33"? This article is helping propagate baseless claims. An example: page 3 of this doc cites this article. I can't edit this article myself since it is semi-protected. 5-HT2AR (talk) 06:05, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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