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September 28

September 28, 2020 (2020-09-28) (Monday)
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Trump Tax Returns

SNOW consensus closure. --Masem (t) 05:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Tax returns of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ President Donald Trump's tax returns show he only paid $750 in taxes in 2016 and 2017 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ President Trump's tax returns are released by the New York Times
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
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Nominator's comments: This seems like the end to a long battle that has had heavy news coverage. Sixula (talk) 01:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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September 27

September 27, 2020 (2020-09-27) (Sunday)
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RD: Mahbubey Alam

Article: Mahbubey Alam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.newagebd.net/article/117436
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Attorney General of Bangladesh, covid DannyS712 (talk) 21:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wolfgang Clement

Article: Wolfgang Clement (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German Politician. Former Minister President of North-Rhine Westphalia. Article requires some major work. a) References across the board b) content streamlining c) copy-edits. Might have to enlist support from others here to get this article in a ready state for homepage. All three categories of edits are done! The article has shaped out pretty well! Meets all hygiene elements for the homepage. Solid B-class article Ktin (talk) 18:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

KittenKlub, Agree. I went in and did some content streamlining / copy-editing on the front end of the article in the meantime. Ktin (talk) 20:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

::Gerda Arendt, still working on rewriting the content. We will be done soon. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

bedtime for me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. All three categories of edits have been completed i.e. references, content streamlining, copy-edits. Article has shaped up as a solid B-class biography. Want to thank the partnership with KittenKlub in getting this done. We got on each others nerves with the edit conflicts. But, we (and hopefully the article) emerged much the stronger. As someone who has loved my fair share of Altbiers in that part of the world, I want to say it has been good editing Wolfgang Clement's article and getting it ready for homepage / RD. (Per the Spiegel - "Clement was also notorious for a special ability. He said he could drink twelve glasses of beer faster than another twelve grains. His secret: You just have to fold back the uvula!"[1]) Ktin (talk) 22:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 02:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Nagorno-Karabakh clashes

Article: September 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Azerbaijani and Armenian armed forces clash in Nagorno-Karabakh, prompting the introduction of martial law in Armenia and Azerbaijan and total mobilization in Armenia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Armenia and Artsakh declare martial law and begin general mobilization as Azerbaijani and Artsakh armed forces clash in Nagorno-Karabakh.
News source(s): BBC, US News, AP, dpa, Reuters
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Another serious escalation of the decades-long Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and, apparently, one of the heaviest. Brandmeistertalk 12:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What does that mean? I also went to cascade last night and got my booze. No cops around. 37.186.97.171 (talk) 10:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's not going to be a war (yes overnight and this morning continued). Turkey is not going to go against the Russians and Iran too.37.186.97.171 (talk) 10:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment Azeri parliament is discussing introduction of martial law as well right now. The ruling party (and de-facto the only real party) is in favour 212.74.201.241 (talk) 13:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    comment Yep, they just declared martial law as well. Someone should amend the blurb212.74.201.241 (talk) 13:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Would support, major escalation. Though the article needs copyediting/updates for the lay reader not familiar with the conflict, for e.g., the lead says "Both sides reported military and civilian casualties" but lists the three Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh in the lead sentence. The alt-blurb is definitely a no-go, none of the sources refer to Artsakh and the primary conflict is between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Gotitbro (talk) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It literally is Artsakh. Armenia was not attacked stepenakart and the area around is administrativelu a part of Artsakh, which is its own jurisdiction from Yerevan run Armenia. 37.186.97.171 (talk) 10:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's total mobilization. I know many, many men due to report in the coming days (not including volunteers).37.186.97.171 (talk) 10:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jaswant Singh

Article: Jaswant Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian politician DannyS712 (talk) 05:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Article will require some work, including multiple citations (across sections) and copy edits.'Positions held' segment might be challenging to source. But, overall - definitely worth putting in the effort to get the article ready. All referencing done. Round of copy edits done. Article meets hygiene checks for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 08:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Updated the 'positions held' segment and the books segment with citations. Might have to look at the other segments as well. Done. Article is now referenced through out and a round of copy edits done too. If folks want any other edit done, I can have this covered in the morning. Calling it a night. I think the article is ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 07:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Susan Ryan

Article: Susan Ryan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, The Australian
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian senator. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 26

September 26, 2020 (2020-09-26) (Saturday)
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(Posted) RD: Isher Judge Ahluwalia

Article: Isher Judge Ahluwalia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Livemint
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted Indian Economist. Padmashri Awardee. Start-class article. I will spend time tonight expanding the article. Edits done. Solid C-class article. Looks clean and passes all hygiene checks (including references) to go to the homepage / RD. Happy to include any additional edits. Ktin (talk) 23:38, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for now on quality, entire unreferenced section. Can reassess later. -- a lad insane (channel two) 23:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    A lad insane, Apologies -- you caught me as I was in the middle of my edits. Fully referenced now. Continuing to work on expanding the article. Edits done. Ktin (talk) 00:44, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. As noted above. Edits have been done. Clean article, meets all hygiene checks (including references) to go to homepage / RD. I came across a story when trying to expand this article that I thought I should share here. Dr Ahluwalia's husband Montek Singh Ahluwalia is also an economist (and was the Deputy chairperson of India's planning commission. Arguably amongst the top 2-3 finance portfolio functions in the Indian cabinet). A journalist calling home:“Can I speak to Dr Ahluwalia?”; IJA:“Speaking”; Journalist (puzzled): “Can I speak to the other Dr Ahluwalia?”. IJA:“There is only one Dr Ahluwalia in this house”, and put down the phone down. [1] Here's to Dr IJA, and to everyone who break these glass ceilings! Ktin (talk) 01:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Please can I request a pair of eyes on this article. I think the article meets homepage / RD requirements and can go there in this state.
  • Support, but suggest toning down the "she was a published author" part. It's not unusual for academics to write books after all. I don't think you can really expect an admin to post an article with just one supporting vote from the nom! —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Brigade Piron, Agree, and done! Edited.
    Apologies -- my messages were not aimed at the Admins. I was looking for more editors such as yourself to chime in on the homepage readiness. Agree w/ your statement entirely. Ktin (talk) 16:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Spencer, Stephen, Amakuru, Black Kite, and MSGJ: - Pardon the intrusion. This is ready to be posted on the homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 19:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 25

September 25, 2020 (2020-09-25) (Friday)
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2020 Chuhuiv An-26 crash

Article: 2020 Chuhuiv An-26 crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An Antonov An-26 military transport plane crashed during a training flight in Eastern Ukraine, killing 26 people onboard. (Post)
News source(s): BBC CNN
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Article updated

 EugεnS¡m¡on 06:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Hampton

Article: Peter Hampton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stoke Sentinel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Short but sourced. Black Kite (talk) 09:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New president in Mali

Articles: 2020 Malian coup d'état (talk · history · tag) and Bah Ndaw (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Bah Ndaw is sworn in as President of Mali to head a transitional government after the coup d'état. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Bah Ndaw takes office as Mali's transitional President following a coup d'état the previous month
News source(s): BBC, Reuters
Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: After the coup d'état that overthrown Ibrahim Boubacar Keita, the military junta names a new president to preside the 18-month transition. Bah Ndaw have the validation of the European Union and ECOWAS. Like Sudan, it seems that Mali will have a pacific and civilian transition. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not the place. Go to the talk page This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As to this being ITNR or not, I think a new head of state being sworn in after the previous one was overthrown fits with the spirit of the ITNR listing, especially if the new leader seems to be generally accepted as such. But this seems to have consensus even without ITNR. If users want to exclude the replacement of an overthrown head of state from ITNR, they may discuss such an idea. 331dot (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: S. P. Balasubrahmanyam

Article: S. P. Balasubrahmanyam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Another COVID-19 death. Indian playback singer with over 40,000 songs in 16 Indian languages. Article requires some streamlining of citations and some copy-edits. RIP. [2] Thank you for all the wonderful memories through the years SPB! Ktin (talk) 08:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Italian constitutional referendum

Article: 2020 Italian constitutional referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Italy votes to amend its constitution to reduce the size of its Parliament by a third. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NY Times
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Italy (G7 country) votes to amend its constitution. Similar to a general election which are ITN/R. Honestly surprised it wasn't put up a few days ago. Plus, it's at ITN on the French Wikipedia. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Although, after this reduction, Italy's Parliament (400 + 200) is still larger the U.S. Congress (435 + 100), even though the U.S. has more than five times the population. Davey2116 (talk) 19:40, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, terribly busy today. Looks like this story isn't in the news anymore, sadly This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 24

September 24, 2020 (2020-09-24) (Thursday)
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  • German vehicle company BMW is fined $18 million by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission to resolve allegations that it inflated sales figures between 2015 and 2019. The fine amounts to less than 0.3% of the company's yearly income. (AP)

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RD: John J. Myers

Article: John J. Myers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): North Jersey, WVIK
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gerhard Weber (designer)

Article: Gerhard Weber (designer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): fashionunited.uk and all major German newspapers
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He created a fashion imperium out of nothing and lost it - see how Steffi Graf and Whitney Houston belong in the story. - The article was just a redirect to the company. I'm not sure "designer" is the best dab. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC) Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Looks clean, and well cited. Nicely done in building the entire article from what was earlier a redirect. I am going to put on the Spencer Standard, and request for the coverage gap between 1990 and 2015 to be filled. Also, any more information on how did he 'lose it all'. Ktin (talk) 21:38, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for looking and copy-edit - not my typical topic. The loss seems more a topic for the company, no? Built too many small shops which were seen as unwanted competition by those who had bought retail. One sources says that the designs were suitable for ladies past 50, but I never know how much interpretation of a journalist is involved. Another source says the 2015 Logistic Center was too expensive. Bedtime for me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sekhar Basu

Article: Sekhar Basu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sorry for the multiple Indian RD nominations. Another COVID-19 death. Indian nuclear scientist. Former Chairman of Atomic Energy Commission of India. Padma Shri awardee. Article has an yellow tag, and a good amount of rewrites required to ensure WP:NPOV. Will work on the article for a bit before before calling it a night. Done for the day. Article is getting there! This is done. Content rewrite is done. Looks good, if I may say so. Ktin (talk) 06:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing removal: 2020 Western United States wildfires

Strong consensus against removal. – Ammarpad (talk) 17:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 Western United States wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: It was definitely in the news a few weeks ago, especially with apocalyptically looking images coming out of San Francisco and Oregon. Nonetheless, the death toll and financial damages are not particularly high for an ITN recurring disaster. I am aware the article does still get updates, but at this point, the world has largely moved on. Albertaont (talk) 07:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The criteria for Ongoing, summarised, are; regular updates to the original article; pertinent updates to the original article; does not mean the article has a featured status beyond its place in the Ongoing heading. If the wildfires nomination no longer meets these, then it should be removed. doktorb wordsdeeds 08:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Dean Jones

Article: Dean Jones (cricketer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-24/dean-jones-australian-test-cricketer-dead-at-59/12700456
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian cricketer, commentator and coach. Died of a heart attack at the age of 59. HiLo48 (talk) 11:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong support The article is in good shape and well sourced. There is a wide coverage about his demise amid being one of the commentators of the ongoing 2020 Indian Premier League. I was actually confused why the place of death was mentioned as Mumbai instead of UAE where the IPL is currently being held. Abishe (talk) 11:47, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 23

September 23, 2020 (2020-09-23) (Wednesday)
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(Closed) Alexander Lukashenko

WP:SNOW. Unanimous opsn. No chance.
– Sca (talk) 15:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(non-admin closure)

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Article: Alexander Lukashenko (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Alexander Lukashenko is inaugurated President of Belarus for a sixth term in a ceremony at the Independence Palace. (Post)
News source(s): The Moscow Times, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: We've frequently posted ITN on the formal inauguration of heads of state and chiefs of government like Igor Matovič, Donald Trump, etc. Given that the incumbent has been widely in the news recently, it would seem odd to omit this one regardless of the tumult that surrounded the actual election. Chetsford (talk) 17:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It was a significant step for Lukashenko as an attempt to discourage his opposition. Nothing more. IMO --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 02:42, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Harold Evans

Article: Harold Evans (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:34, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support article seems well sourced. Relevation Animations (talk) 16:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Weak Oppose missing a few in-text refs. Will support once those are added. Dan the Animator 16:20, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Suresh Angadi

Article: Suresh Angadi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, New Indian Express
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian Member of Parliament, and Minister of State for Railways. Article is well referenced and is start-class. COVID-19 death. Ktin (talk) 01:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Cyclone Ianos

Article: Cyclone Ianos (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cities such as Karditsa and Athens are flooded and four people were killed after Cyclone Ianos hits Greece. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After Cyclone Ianos stalls over Greece, more than four people have died and one missing, and entire towns were flooded.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ianos stalled over Greece from September 17 to 20. Three days later, the country is still in a state of chaos as Athens remains flooded along with other major cities. This is one of Greece's first major tropical cyclones.

" ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Trump considering measures to bypass election results

WP:SNOW close. Trump may be suggesting he'll try to contest the election results, and that might be significant enough for a blurb, if he does. But, the mere speculation is not ITN. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:14, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 United States presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump's campaign is discussing with local legislatures plans to appoint electors (Post)
News source(s): Forbes, The Atlantic
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: "...the Trump campaign is discussing potential strategies to circumvent the results of the 2020 election, should Joe Biden defeat Donald Trump, by first alleging the existence of rampant fraud and then appointing electors in battleground states where Republicans maintain a legislative majority, whom Trump would ask to bypass the state’s popular vote and instead to choose electors loyal to the GOP and the sitting president.

" Count Iblis (talk) 18:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Gale Sayers

Article: Gale Sayers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, Chicago Sun-Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Hall of Fame Chicago Bears tailback. GA status. rawmustard (talk) 13:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing removal: 2020 Belarusian Protests

Article: 2020 Belarusian protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Our oldest blurb is from 14 Sept. Since 15 Sept. (8 days) there has been 4 prose updates to the article: 1, 2, 3 and 4. Except for the last and oldest, they all document routine protest antics and politicking. A search for "Belarus" or "Lukashenko" in native tongue from high profile RSs (LA Times, Chicago Tribune, NY Times, Le Monde, El País, Der Spiegel) revealed 0 (zero) stories on front pages. The European RSs have decisively moved onto the Navalny story. The lack of high-profile RS coverage combined with slow/crime blotter updates suggests to me that this should go for now. 130.233.2.170 (talk) 05:36, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, please. Ongoing is not the same as a blurb and there's no requirement that any recent events there be blurb worthy. In fact, the ITN rules for ongoing say precisely the opposite: "Generally, these are stories which may lack a blurb-worthy event, but which nonetheless are still getting regular updates to the relevant article." I'm sure that Putin and Lukashenko would like this story to go away, quietly. But with a march of over 100,000 people just this Sunday that's not going to happen. Nsk92 (talk) 07:50, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Mass protests are still ongoing, the article is updated daily. --WEBDuB (talk) 09:39, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support there aren't updates about mass protests daily because there aren't daily protests. Last major one was the 20th, the 13th before that and the 6th before that. This as become a weekend affair and in between are long rambling paragraphs recording in detail every comment by protest organizers and every slight or perceived slight by the government. The symbols section (itself the focus of a simmering edit war in the article) is now orange tagged for undue. It's time to come down. If they unseat the government, blurb it. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The largest protest since the dispited election took place just this Sunday. Today, Sept 23, a few hours ago, Lukashenko has just been sworn in as President for another term in a semi-secret inauguration ceremony in Minsk[9]. There's certain to be a reaction from the opposition. This story is not over, by far. Nsk92 (talk) 10:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, 3 protests in 4 weeks is not regularly updated with new, pertinent information. I'm just applying the actual criteria here. You should too. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's not just 3 protests in 4 weeks. There are smaller scale protests happening around the country every day. E.g. RFE/RL has a page about Belarus in English with many updates [10], and there are a lot more news-sources in Russian, with a lot more detailed info abour what's going on (e.g. Novaya Gazeta [11], as a smaple example). One needs to use common sense too. The fact that the largest protest was just 3 days ago certainly does not indicate that the situation is winding down, quite the opposite. Now that Lukashenko's secret inauguration has taken place today, there's almost certain to be escalation of some kind. Russia is there conducting paratrooper military exercises in Belarus in the last few days [12][13]. Now is not the time to yank this story. Nsk92 (talk) 11:16, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't care about RFE I care about the article we have linked on the main page and an "an access control scheme was introduced" at Minsk State University is not a protest. Lots of filler in an article which wasn't that great to begin with and is time to come down. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kinda ridiculous to tear things out of context like that. The people of Belarus strongly oppose another term of Lukashenko, there are strikes ongoing, including mine and hunger strikes. Major events have all been called off by Belarusian celebrities. Your quote only reflects the means undertaken to suppress discontent coming it from students and professors of major state universities. Everything aforementioned "is a protest" in my opinion. And, matter of fact, Strong oppose the removal. Also, yes, I'm allowed to change my mind. --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 00:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Article is being updated frequently with relevant information. Sadly, it suffers from some WP:PROSELINE stylistic issues, but the article is otherwise well referenced, comprehensive, and most importantly, frequently updated with new information. There is both new information AND it is being added, which is sufficient for keeping the article at Ongoing. --Jayron32 11:46, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal It's just like the George Floyd/Breonna Taylor/Jacob Blake protests. Those protests are still ongoing and still occasionally make the news, but overall hype about the protests have died down outside of Belarus and Lithuania. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:41, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose removal – Still in the news, [14] [15] [16] still a serious political situation. – Sca (talk) 13:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — Worth of a mention is the fact that in Russian Wikipedia, the timeline is still being updated on a daily basis. While most of those events are self-repeating, there is some interesting storywise development underway (e.g. sources mentioning the current EU debate on whom to consider the real head of state of Belarus). The problem is that I now seldom have time to update the timeline of the English article because it does take a considerable amount thereof to check Russian sources, translation, spelling etc. --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 13:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Lukashenko was sworn in today in a surprise inauguration and the opposition has called for new protests. It's one of the top stories on the BBC. Johndavies837 (talk) 14:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose per above, very much still in the news and developing. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 16:31, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal per LaserLegs. "3 protests in 4 weeks is not regularly updated with new, pertinent information." Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Three protests in four weeks? How about ten protests per country (one in each major city) every day? --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 00:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The purpose of the ongoing section is to maintain a link to a continuously updated Wikipedia article about a story which is itself also frequently in the news.. The Belarusian protests article is getting punctuated updates with a lot of filler in between. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is, there is unrest still going on. --Whydoesitfeelsogood (talk) 16:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is, the article is inadequately updated for being featured on the main page. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Except the article is being regularly updated every day or so, sometimes more often. See no true Scotsman and moving the goal posts. --Jayron32 17:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree Jayron32, but you and I disagree as to the pertinence of those updates to the subject. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:59, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You really think so? How about what's been happening there since yesterday's inauguration of Lukashenko? [20] [21] [22] [23] Nsk92 (talk) 17:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"How about what's been happening there since yesterday's inauguration of Lukashenko?" Protesters protesting? That happens every day all over the world. Nothing that warrants continued front page presence. In any case, the quality of the article isn't sufficient to appear on the front page. Chetsford (talk) 11:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 22

September 22, 2020 (2020-09-22) (Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

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Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

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Science and technology

(Stale) RD: Road Warrior Animal

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 05:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Road Warrior Animal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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September 21

September 21, 2020 (2020-09-21) (Monday)
Business and economy

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Tommy DeVito

Article: Tommy DeVito (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founding member and former guitarist of The Four Seasons. Covid related. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 18:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Michael Lonsdale

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 05:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Michael Lonsdale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: French-British actor. Article seems ready. Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Robert Freeman Smith

Article: Robert Freeman Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bend Bulletin, Mail Tribune
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American politician, served in the House of Representatives. On the short side, so I'll be adding content and filling in sources. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:52, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ang Rita Sherpa

Article: Ang Rita (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Ang Rita Sherpa, who reached the summit of the Mount Everest ten times without the bottled oxygen dies aged 72. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ang Rita Sherpa, the first person to climb the Mount Everest ten times dies at the age of 72.
News source(s): BBC The Kathmandu Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 --Special:Contributions/Chomolungma8848 (talk) 20:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Microsoft purchasing ZeniMax Media

(non-admin closure) Closing - no consensus to post. Ktin (talk) 21:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: ZeniMax Media (talk · history · tag) and Microsoft (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Microsoft purchases ZeniMax Media for 7.5 billion U.S. Dollars. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Microsoft announces a deal to purchase ZeniMax Media for 7.5 billion U.S. Dollars.
News source(s): Bloomberg BBC, Financial Times
First article updated, second needs updating
Nominator's comments: We had precedents of posting major deals (valued at > ~5 bil dollars) and this is a big deal for the industry. Plus, regulatory approval isn't a factor. --212.74.201.241 (talk) 20:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose (and this from a VG editor). It is a major deal in the VG world, its what everyone in that field is talking about today, but in terms of world changing financial news, nope. It would take me more than one sentence to explain the significance and I feel that makes it beyond the scope of ITN (Also, this is the intent to buy, the deal not expected to close until second half of 2021). --Masem (t) 21:50, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Added an altblurb to correct for my mistake there. Not sure if we need to explain the significance further for ITN, but let's see what other editors think. 212.74.201.241 (talk) 22:30, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose the ZeniMax article is "meh" quality and MS acquiring a AAA game foundry seems like an incremental step in the console wars. Per Masem above though it's a big deal in the field. I'll support if it'll get TES 6 released some time before 2025. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:44, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - It would take Microsoft buying Apple for an acquisition to make it to ITN. WaltCip-(talk) 00:09, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It would take much more than that, even! A few months back US oil producers were willing to pay customers about $40k per truck to cart away crude, something that hasn't happened since the discovery of naphtha ca. 4000 BC. Still wasn't notable enough to post!130.233.2.170 (talk) 05:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Is there any information re: significance of the deal? The nomination rationale hopefully is more than "we have precedents of posting major deals". That said, I did a quick and random search of the archives (non exhaustive, obviously) and here's a summary for anyone who wants a ready reckoner. Ktin (talk) 01:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
# Acquisition Deal Value Status Link
1 Microsoft acquisition of Linkedin $26.2B Posted [27]
2 Yahoo acquisition of Tumblr $1.1B Not Posted [28]
3 Bayer acquisition of Monsanto $66B Not Posted [29]
4 Verizon acquiring Vodafone's stake in Verizon wireless $130B Posted [30]
5 Nokia acquisition of Alcatel Lucent $16.6B Posted [31]

PS: Above table is not to be MIS-interpreted as me making the case for a co-relation between the size of the deal and us posting or not. In fact just by the above data points, one could make the case that there is NO co-relation. Anyways, posted a search from the archives if it helps anyone. Happy to delete the table. I have no opinion for or against this article. Good luck. Ktin (talk) 01:22, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, it's enlightening to look through these old nominations to see if one has been consistent. Banedon (talk) 01:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose mainly because I don't see it in the news much. It's there if I look for it, but not otherwise; it's only featured on finance websites. The news articles that do cover it refer to the company being bought as "Bethesda" as well, which is not a good sign for linking ZeniMax Media. Banedon (talk) 01:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I reverted the close not because I think this nomination shouldn't be closed, but because the close reason is naive. Microsoft cannot possibly buy Apple because Apple is bigger than Microsoft (Apple is currently worth ~$2 trillion, Microsoft ~$1.5 trillion). Similarly Microsoft buying Google is implausible, while Amazon buying Apple is impossible. Banedon (talk) 01:56, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ping Destroyeraa since it is your closure that I'm reverting. Banedon (talk) 01:56, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Topic is in the news (I have added a FT source to the nom), companies are apparently notable ones that would be familiar to readers, and contra above I feel that both articles are in good shape. The MSFT article needs to be updated, however.130.233.2.170 (talk) 05:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support – Some quality IPs involved in this takeover, including The Elder Scrolls and Fallout from Bethesda with 59 and 33 million lifetime sales, respectively, and Doom from id Software which jumpstarted the first-person shooter genre. The video game industry in general is not well-represented at ITN...e-sports aren't included at ITN/R even tho it has a wider audience than a certain boat race. I guess that one is a discussion for a diff place tho so I digress. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 05:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. Though in the news, not much significance or impact on people except those in the affected companies and videogamers.~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:35, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Masem, Destroyeraa. Lacks broad significance. – Sca (talk) 14:53, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Bob Nevin

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 05:26, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bob Nevin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [32]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article is in decent shape. The orange tag may not be necessary. Dan the Animator 23:49, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. ^ Sitapati, Vinay. "How Isher Judge Ahluwalia broke into the male-dominated, Anglicised world of economists". Scroll.in. Retrieved 2020-09-27.
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