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Award

  • While a Pima County supervisor, Grijalva pointedly snubbed an award from an environmental group named for Edward Abbey, and attacked Abbey's views.

What's our source for this? Thanks, -Willmcw 00:47, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Edward Abbey: A Life by James Calahan Kaibabsquirrel 01:20, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
And do we know the name of this group and what his commetns were? This is such a short reference, it would help if it were expanded. Thanks, -Willmcw 02:04, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
This reference makes it seem that Grijalva is on good terms with a group called the "Western Watershed Project, which give out a "Edward Abbey Memorial Hooved Locust Award" [1]. -Willmcw 05:19, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
I don't know if that was the group or not. The name of the group wasn't specified in Cahalan's book. I'll replace that part of the article with the verbatim quote from Cahalan as soon as I can dig out the book. Kaibabsquirrel 03:07, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Since it appears to give a different slant than other sources show, and since we haven't been able to find out more, I'm going to remove the assertion. We can add it back when we learn more. -Willmcw 05:35, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

In April 1990, while a Pima County Supervisor, Grijalva declined an environmental award named after Edward Abbey, saying that he was "uneasy because of Abbey's views on immigration, Mexicans, and population growth." (Cahalan, James M. Edward Abbey: A Life p. 213; Arizona Daily Star, April 21, 1990, p. 5B)

I believe this Abbey "controversy" is a case of WP:Undue Importance, especially given that we can't seem to dig up any of the facts about this so-called snub. I don't see why turning down an obscure award in 1990 from an unknown group, the name of which we don't list, is encyclopedic in any way related to Rep. Grijalva. It seems more like a failed political smear or an old grudge than proper content for Wikipedia. I've cut it and placed it above for consideration. Just because it's sourced (but poorly) doesn't mean it's particularly important. --Kynn 04:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand, why isn't there any reference to Mr. Grijalva being associated with MEChA? Wasn't that a big party of this controversy? Does somebody keep deleting this?

anon added

anon added and an endorser of the Genocide Intervention Network to a bunch of pages.

Don't want to revert if it's true.

Mikereichold 07:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The critical links listed here seem to be a violation of WP:EL and WP:RS which dissuade us from using extremist sites. "Widely acknowledged extremist or even terrorist organizations or individuals, whether of a political, religious, racist, or other character, should never be used as sources for Wikipedia..." The Southern Poverty Law Center is very critical of the first source and states that American Patrol head honcho Glenn "Spencer posts dozens of immigration-related articles but replaces the words "illegal immigrant" with "illegal alien," among other editing touches."

The second site is anonymous as documented by one blog and may be in violation of election law in addition to featuring pictures of Grijalva with the Mexican flag and Osama bin Laden.

I think it would be great to link to critical sites, but I feel that the ones chosen here don't measure up to the standards for external links. One is almost a hate site, and another is an anonymous site that is barely linked to besides this site and blogs critical of its criticism.

I say those two links should be removed. (Full disclosure: I'm a resident of AZ district 7, Grijalva is my congressman, I've met him, and I voted him. But I am not in any way affiliated with his campaign nor have I ever been.) --Kynn 04:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. -Will Beback · · 17:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Citation for MEChA membership

The original link for Grijalva's MEChA membership was a partisan, anti-MEChA conservative site with many unsourced and exaggerated allegations about Grijalva.

While his MEChA membership does not seem to be disputed, the source used is very questionable and I suggest it be replaced with a more reputable source. I've added a request for sourcing.

This may be a possibility, but it isn't a great one:

--Kynn 00:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On November 26, 2002, Grijalva was interviewed on the Alex Jones radio show, where he said private border patrol groups like the Minuteman Project in southern Arizona were "racist." For audio - [4]. In December 2002 he said that his first official act in office would be to ask the FBI to investigate them for alleged ties to white supremacy groups, saying "If you shine the light on the cockroaches, they don't like it." [5].

I'm at a loss as to why this particular interview is being highlighted on this entry. These are statements from a 2002 interview with a controversial media figure, which is only used to quote one word from Grijalva. The second link is not actually a source, but is a copy of an article in the Tucson Citizen newspaper.

I cut this paragraph, but it could be replaced easily. --Kynn 04:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia

With the exception to being added to his school's hall of fame, none of the Trivia was about Grijalva, but rather about Arizona's 7th congressional district. So I moved all those factoids there instead. --Kynn 04:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]