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October 1

What's the musicological term for an intro that sounds like a very different song but it still sounds good?

Like when Rihanna sampled the Numa Numa Mayas, or the song that sampled If I Had A Brain from the Wizard of Oz or something of that flavor and never mentions it again. Or a certain My Heart Will Go On remix, the intro might be the newer half in that one. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with the terms you are already using: Introduction (music) and Sample (music)? I don't think there's a more specific term, but see also Song structure--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sample would be wrong as both parts could be invented by one guy (Can you sample yourself? Then same time too in a continuous songwriting session) to show "look how random and artistic I am!" Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:21, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Of course you can sample yourself! Many artists have done so. Sampling is just the use of already-recorded music by cutting it and re-assembling it in a new context. Many artists have used the technique, especially in the 1960s and 1970s where groups like The Beatles and Pink Floyd used the techniques of sampling to create soundscapes that could not otherwise be achieved with just live-played instruments. --Jayron 32 16:56, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So if you wanted a crowd of yous singing and recorded yourself singing along with one you then recorded yourself singing along with two yous and so on till you have a crowd is sampling but writing an instrumental with a true intro before recording is not sampling? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:35, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In music, this is just called an "Intro". You can see an explanation starting just after the one minute mark here. That's the YouTube Channel of Rick Beato, a record producer and former university music professor. He knows a little something about music. He's done several videos on the "Best intros..." from various instruments and genres, and he generally explains it the same way each time, a "true" intro is musically distinct from the rest of the song, which is different from a riff or ostinato which is repeated throughout the song. An intro sometimes (but not always) makes a comeback during a bridge or closing part of a song, when it does it can be colloquially known as a "midtro" or an "outro" (and sometimes midtros and outros are musically distinct as well), but a proper intro still stands apart from the music of the rest of the song structure. --Jayron 32 10:48, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I had assumed that intro just meant the first part. So now I know. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:10, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[Off topic] Anybody interested in creating a Rick Beato article? He's probably "notable", considering he recently testified before a Congressional hearing as an "expert" regarding fair use of copyrighted music. Just wondering: @Jayron32: are you (also) a subscriber to his YouTube channel? --2606:A000:1126:28D:49BA:5D23:FB04:BB45 (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have been for some time. All of his stuff is an excellent watch. Besides his YouTube channel, he's also produced, engineered, mixed, or co-wrote songs with several charting acts, with Parmalee, Needtobreathe and Shinedown among the most notable. There several top-40 songs and big charting albums in there. I've thought about starting the article, but haven't had the energy. Maybe it's time. --Jayron 32 17:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is there enough material to satisfy our notability criteria? I don't see how he meets WP:NMUSIC. Does his channel meet WP:NWEB? --Lambiam 15:10, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are many hits: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL -- Select examples:

Steinberg, Don (5 August 2020). "It's Never Too Late to Start Your YouTube Career". Wall Street Journal.
Harris, George W. (June 2, 2020). "RICK BEATO: WHAT MAKES THIS GUY GREAT?". Jazz Weekly.

2606:A000:1126:28D:49BA:5D23:FB04:BB45 (talk) 22:04, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've started a stub at Rick Beato. --Jayron 32 12:25, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 3

inquiry about the Will Smith song Miami

In the 23 year old song Miami, when he talks about the word Indian along with other ethnicities he mentions, does he mean American Indian, East Indian, I'm not sure what kind of Indian he was talking about that resides in Miami. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.24.220 (talk) 00:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We cannot be certain what he was thinking at the time he wrote the lyrics, and after 23 years even his own memory might not be that reliable. He may have picked the term because he needed some word for an ethnicity to fill a trochee or dactyl as needed by the metre, and clearly "Irish" or "German" wouldn't do – he needed something suggesting diversity. In the demographics of Miami, neither ethnicity stands out. A July 2019 estimate of the US Census Bureau gives: "American Indian and Alaska Native alone, 0.2%; Asian alone, 1.1%".^[1] (East) Indian people then probably contributed around 0.2 to 0.3%. --Lambiam 13:48, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One of Us

Who were "The Three Boys" who played mandolin on One of Us? Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 02:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As listed on the website http://www.abbaomnibus.net, they were Rutger Gunnarsson, Björn Ulvaeus, and Lasse Wellander.

Gunnarson was ABBA's regular bassist who had worked with Ulvaeus prior to the latter's forming ABBA, and Wellander its most prominent studio and tour guitarist, as detailed here. There is an article on him on the Swedish Wikipedia, but not on En.Wikipedia. Ulvaeus you obviously know about.

Why they were thus credited, rather than being explicitly named, for this particular contribution I have no clue. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.162.83 (talk) 05:52, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 00:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 4

Marathon runners' sleeves

Watching the delayed London Marathon today, I noticed that a lot of runners were wearing detached sleeves like this. Are they for insulation (it was raining all day) or because of sore elbows, or something else? Alansplodge (talk) 16:06, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm surprised we have no running sleeve article. Yet. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 16:12, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they're for insulation. We do have an article on arm warmer, which is what the spandex variety is sometimes called, even if that article's picture shows the knit mitaine variety which covers more of the hand and less of the arm than the example in your image. ---Sluzzelin talk 20:28, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Sluzzelin and --jpgordon, I have found a passable reference and added it to the "arm warmer" article, with a redirect from "running sleeve". Alansplodge (talk) 16:15, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 5

Was there a discontinuous violin sounds fad in the 1700s?

Just a hunch. Did more continuous violining become more popular in the 1800s? If so any reason why as neither style seems better than the other. i.e. staccato and "intermittent violin sounds" parts of Vivaldi sound cool, Adagio For Strings is beautiful. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that by "continuous" you mean legato. Legato and staccato are extremes in the usual spectrum of musical articulation. If you take the violin part of Beethoven's Violin Sonata No. 1 as an example, you can see that he uses both legato and staccato passages, thereby achieving a contrast. The first movement is almost entirely legato, punctuated by some brief staccato passages, while for instance variation IV of the second movement is almost entirely non-legato with quite some staccato. There was a dramatic change in how composers notated their music between 1600 and 1700. While Beethoven's manuscripts indicate precisely the dynamics, ornaments and articulation, only one century earlier this was left to the discretion of the performers. Obviously, the better performers would interpret the scores in the best way they could to achieve an optimnal effect, and I am convinced that this also included using variation in the articulation. --Lambiam 09:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In this video you can read the score of Beethoven's Violin Sonata No. 1 while listening to a performance. --Lambiam 09:44, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 7

Black and Orange

... were they the Black and Orange or the Orange and Black? Sources seem to be split about fifty-fifty. Somebody who has some old cigarette cards might have a good answer. One redirects to the other, and that does make sense (WP:AND being irrelevant here). I've done some online research, but really this needs a Pennsylvanian or at least someone with half a clue about American Football to chime in. Originally at WP:RFD but now at Talk:Clifton Heights Orange & Black... WP:CONCISE would suggest to cut "Clifton Heights". 84.236.27.182 (talk) 05:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There may not really be an answer to this. Sports team names in the early 20th century were a lot less "official" than they are now. For example, the Brooklyn Dodgers (now the Los Angeles Dodgers) were officially the Brooklyn Base Ball Club for decades, and were known by many different nicknames. "Dodgers" did not become the standard until 1933 and I'm not sure at what point it became truly official. --Khajidha (talk) 11:41, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And indeed to this day there are people who refer to the part of the name like "Dodgers" as the "nickname" of the team. Here's just one example. To my mind, "Canadiens" should only be called the team's "name", while "Habs" is their nickname. --174.89.48.182 (talk) 22:28, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Xbox Series X games

I've been out of touch with video games, and I'm having trouble understanding how upcoming Xbox games will be packaged and shelved in stores. Most upcoming titles (like Assassin's Creed Valhalla) are advertised to work with Xbox One and Xbox Series X (link). All the cover art I see online has a green stripe at the top that simply says "Xbox". Are the games going to look like that when they hit stores, or is there going to be a new sort of packaging once the Series X has been released? Will stores have a separate section for Xbox Series X games, or will they continue to group this stuff with Xbox One titles? Thanks! Zagalejo^^^ 23:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 8

Can anyone identifiy this film?

An animated film I saw on TV as a child. It was called something like "VIPs" and it was about clones. I don't remember much, but I remember that the clones had some sort of antenna sticking out of their head. On one female clone, another character twisted this antenna into a sort of bow, after which she (the clone) started acting like an individual. It would have been in the late 80s or early 90s that I saw it, but (based on what I remember of the animation style), the film itself may have been older (I'm guessing 60s or 70s, although that could just have been a deliberate retro styling). All web searches I've tried come up blank (or rather, come up with much more recent things like Star Wars Clone Wars, or Clone High, or the like). Iapetus (talk) 08:57, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie Van Halen

What did he invent?