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October 3

inquiry about the Will Smith song Miami

In the 23 year old song Miami, when he talks about the word Indian along with other ethnicities he mentions, does he mean American Indian, East Indian, I'm not sure what kind of Indian he was talking about that resides in Miami. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.24.220 (talk) 00:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We cannot be certain what he was thinking at the time he wrote the lyrics, and after 23 years even his own memory might not be that reliable. He may have picked the term because he needed some word for an ethnicity to fill a trochee or dactyl as needed by the metre, and clearly "Irish" or "German" wouldn't do – he needed something suggesting diversity. In the demographics of Miami, neither ethnicity stands out. A July 2019 estimate of the US Census Bureau gives: "American Indian and Alaska Native alone, 0.2%; Asian alone, 1.1%".^[1] (East) Indian people then probably contributed around 0.2 to 0.3%. --Lambiam 13:48, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One of Us

Who were "The Three Boys" who played mandolin on One of Us? Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 02:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As listed on the website http://www.abbaomnibus.net, they were Rutger Gunnarsson, Björn Ulvaeus, and Lasse Wellander.

Gunnarson was ABBA's regular bassist who had worked with Ulvaeus prior to the latter's forming ABBA, and Wellander its most prominent studio and tour guitarist, as detailed here. There is an article on him on the Swedish Wikipedia, but not on En.Wikipedia. Ulvaeus you obviously know about.

Why they were thus credited, rather than being explicitly named, for this particular contribution I have no clue. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.162.83 (talk) 05:52, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 00:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 4

Marathon runners' sleeves

Watching the delayed London Marathon today, I noticed that a lot of runners were wearing detached sleeves like this. Are they for insulation (it was raining all day) or because of sore elbows, or something else? Alansplodge (talk) 16:06, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm surprised we have no running sleeve article. Yet. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 16:12, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they're for insulation. We do have an article on arm warmer, which is what the spandex variety is sometimes called, even if that article's picture shows the knit mitaine variety which covers more of the hand and less of the arm than the example in your image. ---Sluzzelin talk 20:28, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Sluzzelin and --jpgordon, I have found a passable reference and added it to the "arm warmer" article, with a redirect from "running sleeve". Alansplodge (talk) 16:15, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 5

Was there a discontinuous violin sounds fad in the 1700s?

Just a hunch. Did more continuous violining become more popular in the 1800s? If so any reason why as neither style seems better than the other. i.e. staccato and "intermittent violin sounds" parts of Vivaldi sound cool, Adagio For Strings is beautiful. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that by "continuous" you mean legato. Legato and staccato are extremes in the usual spectrum of musical articulation. If you take the violin part of Beethoven's Violin Sonata No. 1 as an example, you can see that he uses both legato and staccato passages, thereby achieving a contrast. The first movement is almost entirely legato, punctuated by some brief staccato passages, while for instance variation IV of the second movement is almost entirely non-legato with quite some staccato. There was a dramatic change in how composers notated their music between 1600 and 1700. While Beethoven's manuscripts indicate precisely the dynamics, ornaments and articulation, only one century earlier this was left to the discretion of the performers. Obviously, the better performers would interpret the scores in the best way they could to achieve an optimnal effect, and I am convinced that this also included using variation in the articulation. --Lambiam 09:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In this video you can read the score of Beethoven's Violin Sonata No. 1 while listening to a performance. --Lambiam 09:44, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 7

Black and Orange

... were they the Black and Orange or the Orange and Black? Sources seem to be split about fifty-fifty. Somebody who has some old cigarette cards might have a good answer. One redirects to the other, and that does make sense (WP:AND being irrelevant here). I've done some online research, but really this needs a Pennsylvanian or at least someone with half a clue about American Football to chime in. Originally at WP:RFD but now at Talk:Clifton Heights Orange & Black... WP:CONCISE would suggest to cut "Clifton Heights". 84.236.27.182 (talk) 05:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There may not really be an answer to this. Sports team names in the early 20th century were a lot less "official" than they are now. For example, the Brooklyn Dodgers (now the Los Angeles Dodgers) were officially the Brooklyn Base Ball Club for decades, and were known by many different nicknames. "Dodgers" did not become the standard until 1933 and I'm not sure at what point it became truly official. --Khajidha (talk) 11:41, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And indeed to this day there are people who refer to the part of the name like "Dodgers" as the "nickname" of the team. Here's just one example. To my mind, "Canadiens" should only be called the team's "name", while "Habs" is their nickname. --174.89.48.182 (talk) 22:28, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The word "Dodgers" has become part of their corporate identity.[2] It may vary with other teams. The Canadiens were once called "Club de Hockey Canadien", hence the "C H C" of their logo. It appears that "Montreal Canadiens" is their corporate name now.[3] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:52, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Xbox Series X games

I've been out of touch with video games, and I'm having trouble understanding how upcoming Xbox games will be packaged and shelved in stores. Most upcoming titles (like Assassin's Creed Valhalla) are advertised to work with Xbox One and Xbox Series X (link). All the cover art I see online has a green stripe at the top that simply says "Xbox". Are the games going to look like that when they hit stores, or is there going to be a new sort of packaging once the Series X has been released? Will stores have a separate section for Xbox Series X games, or will they continue to group this stuff with Xbox One titles? Thanks! Zagalejo^^^ 23:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 8

Can anyone identifiy this film?

An animated film I saw on TV as a child. It was called something like "VIPs" and it was about clones. I don't remember much, but I remember that the clones had some sort of antenna sticking out of their head. On one female clone, another character twisted this antenna into a sort of bow, after which she (the clone) started acting like an individual. It would have been in the late 80s or early 90s that I saw it, but (based on what I remember of the animation style), the film itself may have been older (I'm guessing 60s or 70s, although that could just have been a deliberate retro styling). All web searches I've tried come up blank (or rather, come up with much more recent things like Star Wars Clone Wars, or Clone High, or the like). Iapetus (talk) 08:57, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IMDb has a list of 103 clone movies https://www.imdb.com/list/ls025476090/ , but none look like the one you wanted. -- SGBailey (talk) 11:54, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like Bruno Bozzetto's VIP my Brother Superman. There are no clones, but there is a mass of near-identical asian workers/slaves, and people are turned into will-less, eager consumers by having mini-rockets penetrating there heads, leaving antennas sticking out.

(See Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2013 January 5#What animated cartoon is this?.) –Tea2min (talk) 12:35, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that looks like it. (Looks like I would have been 11 at the time, and I think I missed the start, so I don't think I really understood what it was about even at the time). Iapetus (talk) 13:14, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie Van Halen

What did he invent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.105.98 (talk) 11:02, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We have an article on him. If he invented something noteworthy, it would be discussed there. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:22, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's not really discussed there in any meaningful way, he invented a support system for the guitar so it could be played like a lap guitar or a piano, but while standing up. Here's a Slate article that discusses it, including the awesome diagram from the patent. Adam Bishop (talk) 11:39, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Luca; Pixar's 23rd or 24th movie??

We know that Pixar's films go:

Toy Story
A Bug's Life
Toy Story 2

...and so on. However, is there any info on whether Luca will still be the 24th Pixar movie or will it in fact only be the 23rd because "Soul" is not going to be in theatres?? (Important note: If the Pixar film Luca had an article of its own, I would have put this question on the article's talk page, but it doesn't, so I'm putting it here instead.) Georgia guy (talk) 23:43, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The film is slated to be screened at the London Film Festival in the Southbank Theatre on 11 October 2020. So it is not going to be purely Internet only. Moreover, is there a rule that Internet releases do not count? We might then as well have a rule that digital releases do not count – celluloid only. --Lambiam 11:39, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure that that was the first time your question was ever asked anywhere online, because this is the first time to date it has had any meaning so far. I'm sure that the sequence was intended to be for theatrical movies. Georgia guy (talk) 12:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 9

same or different bikini?

I noticed Halle Berry wore an orange bikini when she surfaced in Die Another Day. But when she dove from the fortress into the water, her bikini was pink. Is it the same or is it different?142.255.72.126 (talk) 14:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pink and orange are generally considered different colors. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:41, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The bikini was coral, a colour which can look like a pinkish orange or orangey pink, and was meant to be a match for the paint job of the car her character drove in the film, based on a paint option on the car's original version and tied in to a limited edition of the then-current version. Any apparent changes in the film might have been because it was (obviously) wet when she surfaced, and dryer when she (or a stunt double?) dove back in (ignoring any differences in ambient/set lighting which may also have affected perception). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.162.83 (talk) 16:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For any of those wishing to comment without actually knowing the reference, or the typical BB answer that is as helpful as a hammer made of Jell-O; here are the two clips: Die Another Day Movie CLIP - Jinx (2002) HD and Jinx's bikini jump into the water. Maineartists (talk) 18:52, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The OP asked if pink and orange are the same color, a question as useful as Jell-O. Thanks for providing the clips, in which it's clear the color is the same - kind of a coral color, as the IP pointed out and without lowering himself to conducting personal attacks on other users. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:16, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First, they are not the same color in the least. The first is clearly orange, and the second is pink. Second, the OP asked: Is it (the bikini) the same (color ... in each clip) or is it (the bikini) different (color ... in each clip). Do you really think the OP came to the Entertainment Desk to ask if Pink and Orange are different colors? Nice try. Maineartists (talk) 19:24, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Allowing for different lighting, they're the same color. And the OP came here to ask for opinions. You have given yours too. Nice try. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:29, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, opinions are not what the desk is for, and the actual question is in the title. --174.89.48.182 (talk) 21:02, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and the question is a request for an opinion. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Old joke:

Mrs. A: My husband and I were arguing about this... (she gives the details)

Wise rabbi: You're right.

Mr. A: My wife and I were arguing about this... (he gives the details)

Wise rabbi: You're right.

Assistant: But you just gave them completely different answers! They can't both be right.

Wise rabbi: You're right.

In the same vein, I give up. --174.89.48.182 (talk) 04:15, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In RGB values, the ratio R : G is about 5 : 2 in both scenes as seen on YouTube, but whereas the B value is about half that of G in the first scene, it about the same as G in the second scene, so it is 5 : 2 : 1 versus 5 : 2 : 2. The difference may be due to the very different lighting. --Lambiam 22:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The visual key is Halle's skin tone. It's darker in the first clip, which suggests there was a lot of glare coming off the water, and they had to darken it down. Hence the bikini might look more orange-ish than it does in the second clip, in which her skin tone is lighter. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That may be, but she doesn't stay in the water throughout. She enters the cabana. Completely different "lighting" as you defend; and yet the bikini still stays orange. A quick google search: Halle Berry Bikini Bond, and every color reference is "orange". Far from the "coral" you first suggested. Plus, no one can argue ... the tops in both scenes are two completely different styles ... two completely different tops. Sorry. Colors or not. They are not the same bikinis. The first: orange - has one strap (same color) at the bottom. In the balcony dive: pink / coral (whatever), it is joined by 2 white straps. Maineartists (talk) 22:54, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"No -- seriously, Honey; I'm doing research for the Wikipedia reference desk." --2606:A000:1126:28D:85EF:2BB7:24BE:1EF3 (talk) 01:06, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maineartists (talk) 01:44, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The question then becomes whether they were intended to be taken as the same one. If so, then this qualifies as a continuity mistake. If not, then she changed somewhere along the way. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:51, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No it doesn't. Maineartists (talk) 02:22, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This desk isn't a place for debate. I wanted to clear up confusion on the bikini(s) Halle Berry wore.142.255.72.126 (talk) 07:45, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Songs about running off scared from a bar

Although they're very different musically, the songs Come a Little Bit Closer and Gimme Three Steps share a lot of lyrical similarities: they're both narratives told from the first person POV, they both involve dancing with a woman at a bar, they both involve getting threatened by the woman's apparent "guy", and they both involve the protagonist very much choosing discretion over valor and rabbiting. While the fellow in G3S runs out the door, the guy in CALBC actually defenestrates himself. Are there other songs that fit this admittedly idiosyncratic mold? The closest I could think of was Bad, Bad Leroy Brown, though I wouldn't say it's quite close enough (it's third person POV and Leroy apparently stays and fights, albeit to his detriment). Matt Deres (talk) 16:34, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 10