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Name

Correction needs to be made, from Marc Stone to Michael Anthony!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:B80:F240:3062:65D3:AAF6:A2F5 (talk) 03:10, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mistake to be corrected: in dutch the family name is 'Halen'

The disclaimer at the start of the article states that dutch family name is 'Van Halen' not 'Halen' is misleading. In Dutch the use of prepositions such as 'van' (from) or articles such as 'de' (the) to connect given name and family name are quite common, but these 'connecting prepositions/articles' are not part of the family name. The way his birth name is spelled in the bio is actually correct (Edward Lodewijk van Halen) since the v in 'van' is not capitalized because it is not part of his family name. If you were to look for his birth certificate in the city archives it would be listed under 'H', not v. In the US his family name is spelled Van Halen. That is perfectly acceptable, but to state that 'In this Dutch name, the family name is Van Halen, not Halen.' sounds as if in Dutch, Van Halen was always his family name which is not true. Can someone change this to represent the fact that the way his family name is spelled is the result of the English language being unable to accommodate this type of last name in the same way it is done in the language it originates from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.166.44 (talk) 12:46, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From my non-expert reading of Van_(Dutch), it does not support this proposed revision. We'd need several reliable sources to revise the article against the discussion in that article. Ccrrccrr (talk) 22:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

His smoking

The article states that he first smoked / started smoking at age 12. But did he smoke his entire life after that?, at least until he got throat cancer? Point being, did he get the throat cancer from smoking? Thanks in advance to anybody who knows.Betathetapi545 (talk) 19:55, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you smoke for basically any length of time, throat cancer is one of the well known by products (side effects) apart from tongue (which he also had previously) and lung cancer. If you live in the developed world, the yearly cost to the health system in just one country, of treating smoking related diseases is usually in the billions. Editrite! (talk) 21:15, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Head and neck cancer

Where did head and neck cancer come from? The articles aren’t mentioning that at all, and they’re just mentioning throat cancer. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 20:13, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If someone develops cancer and it's not detected (and treated) early, it can spread to other parts of the body (known as "secondaries"). Editrite! (talk) 21:24, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It got removed from his Wikipedia article. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 22:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

... the doctors say it's possible ...

I know it is something he said, but is there any evidence of what doctor(s) ever told him such a ridiculous falsehood? He was probably just having a send-up. But if an editor has a source, it would greatly clear up this issue. Tanx 50.111.19.2 (talk) 22:59, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if it matters as it was his opinion. In theory, anything is possible. I found a source (a 501(c)(3) organization) that refutes this as a possibility, but again, I don't believe this really matters. Here is the source: https://oralcancerfoundation.org/people/arts-entertainment/eddie-van-halen/ Jurisdicta (talk) 00:05, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, anything is NOT possible, that's absolute bollocks - it is not possible for you to suddenly jump 300 feet into the air. It is not possible for a cat to change into a dog. Etc. The question was: is there a reference that points out which doctor or doctors told EVH that you can get cancer from holding a metal pick in your mouth for a few minutes? Your opinion on what matters is not the point. 50.111.19.2 (talk) 09:17, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I seriously doubt that you will find any source for that statement. It sounds to me like his doctor was politely humouring a dying man, who was trying to rationalize that the cause of his cancer was something other than smoking. Editrite! (talk) 21:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lung cancer

This mentions that he also had lung cancer.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/10/06/eddie-van-halen-dead-dies-cancer-65/

Should this be worth mentioning in his article? MikaelaArsenault (talk) 00:23, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Typically articles only talk about illnesses at the time of death but I don't see why it could not be included as part of the article as he was receiving treatment for lung cancer. I found another reference that could be used in place of TMZ.com that mentions his bout with lung cancer: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/entertainment/eddie-van-halen-dead/index.html Jurisdicta (talk) 05:06, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn’t find another reference that mentioned lung cancer so that’s why I put the TMZ.com article. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 09:06, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]


His ex-wife Valerie Bertinelli, who was at his bedside when he passed, even mentioned lung cancer.

MOS:SURNAME

I know that the general rule is to refer to the subject of the article by their last name per MOS:SURNAME but, given that the band is also called Van Halen and the article talks about various members of his family with the same last name, I think that this would be an exception to the general rule and it would be more appropriate to use "Eddie" throughout to avoid confusion and to disambiguate from the band and his family members. As a result, I have made with this change - please feel free to revert and discuss here. TribunalMan (talk) 01:03, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. "Eddie" is used on all the Van Halen band articles. A few instances of SURNAME can be allowed when context is very clear. Binksternet (talk) 02:36, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mental Health

There is nothing on the main page that makes note of Van Halen's battle with depression. The press has mostly distilled the troubled parts of his public image into cancer and alcohol while hiding these comorbidities that probably plagued Van Halen as much as his cancer.

Most of the world knew Van Halen at one time or another as one of the greatest guitar players ever so it's shocking his self-esteem would eventually plummet so severely that he suffered years of notoriously self-destructive behavior. Rather than a slight on his heroic status these details if included would make him more heroic if not more human and give the public a better understanding of his life and the music business. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.203.145.100 (talk) 14:43, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Instruments

Eddie Van Halen wrote and played the keyboards on albums and played them live in concert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColdBlueFire (talk • contribs) 22:25, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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