Talk:Four Seasons Total Landscaping press conference

More text and references in draft article

I wrote a draft of this article today and was beaten to publishing it, there may be details and references not included in the article that are included in my draft User:John Cummings/Archive/Four Seasons Total Landscaping

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 23:57, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

John Cummings: I don't understand what you mean by "beaten to publishing it." Your draft is titled Four Seasons Total Landscaping and is about the business itself, which is distinct from the single-event Four Seasons Total Landscaping press conference. NedFausa (talk) 00:15, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

NedFausa the article I wrote is in large part is covering this event, it seems most sensible the article should be framed to focus on the event rather than the business as it appears the business is unlikely to have much coverage outside of this event. John Cummings (talk) 00:38, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Cheers John, the references are much appreciated. Aluxosm (talk) 15:17, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful information from your draft! I may have been a bit too fast with creating the article. I think if I had started with a more complete article, the AfD would not have happened. I do agree that the event is more notable than the location.  :-) --User101010 (talk) 20:13, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

"The event drew humor and parody on social media" vs "The event drew ridicule and parody on social media"

Really want to avoid a potential edit war on this one so am asking for input on the wording of one of the sentences in the Aftermath section. Timeline of edits so far:

• 1st edit - Created original text (The event drew ridicule and parody on social media…)
• 2nd edit - Removed the original text (note that there weren't any references at the time that specifically mentioned the tone of the conversation)
• 3rd edit - Changed back to original text but added reference about tone
• 4th edit - Kept the original text but changed ridicule for humor (note that the references at the time didn't specifically mention the word ridicule)

I've since found two articles that mention the word ridicule but want to avoid citation overkill:

• Brewton, Dara (2020-11-08). "'Laugh about it forever': Twitter rolling on the floor over Rudy's Four Seasons mix up". Front Page Live. Retrieved 2020-11-11. As can be expected, Twitter was full of ridicule.

• "Rudy Giuliani's "Four Seasons Total Landscaping" press conference gets its own web portal thanks to Writer/Producer Vinnie Favale" (Press release). Lincroft, NJ: PR Newswire. Favale Media. 2020-11-09. Retrieved 2020-11-11. …[the event] attracted ridicule and disbelief on social media.

My personal thoughts are that the word humor is too relaxed and that one of the main reasons that this event is significant is because of the amount of ridicule that it received. Also, the term is followed up with "and parody" which in my mind already suggests humour. Most of all though, I feel like the original sentence just sounds more natural.

Pinging @Daniel Case and @Itisdiplomatic but any other thoughts on this would be great. Many thanks in advance! Aluxosm (talk) 21:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

My thoughts is that the word "ridicule" is too excessive and not neutral. The jokes and joking mentioned in the citations are based on the mistaken belief that the choice of venue was not intentional. "Humor" acknowledges that there has been mocking and parody in a neutral way without mentioning "ridicule" based on mistaken beliefs as the article has already addressed the backstory as to why and how the press conference location was chosen.Itisdiplomatic (talk) 23:10, 11 November 2020 (UTC)