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When to remove a source that is a press release? Thanks. AlphonseOop (talk) 10:11, 12 November 2020 (UTC) AlphonseOop (talk) 10:11, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

AlphonseOop, you mean a press release link that is already dead? You can probably try finding archives of it. If you have another source better than the press release, feel free to change it, but as far as I'm concerned, press releases are fine. GeraldWL 10:38, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, that's not really correct. A press release is an affiliated source, which can be an appropriate source for adding noncontroversial detail to an article -- the date a corporation announced whatever the press release was announcing, say -- but it's not sufficient for proving notability, showing noteworthiness, or proving anything that could possibly be considered contentious. If there's an unaffiliated reliable source for the same information, in general it's best to use that and remove the press release altogether. —valereee (talk) 16:35, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Valeree, I'm talking about citing presses in a regular article— that is, an article that has proven its notability via reliable independent sources. If you wanna make an article out of just presses, then yes, presses don't show notability. GeraldWL 01:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, it also doesn't prove noteworthiness -- whether the information should even be in the article. A press release announcing P&G's newest global initiative isn't good enough support for us to include a mention of that initiative in Procter & Gamble. We'd need an unaffiliated RS talking about it. If we have that, we probably don't need the press release except to provide trivial detail such as the exact date of the announcement. If no unaffiliated RS is talking about it, the press release is pure corporate promotion. So no, in general, information in an article that is cited to a press release at minimum should be tagged as better source needed, and if it's the only support for an assertion that is even slightly iffy, the content probably needs to go. —valereee (talk) 12:30, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Valeree, there are emergency times when a press release is needed, to support a claim until a reliable source can be found. If an airline went bankrupt and the only source available is a press release, there's no way we keep pretending like it is still alive. Then when an RS talks bout it, we can replace it and maybe add more info. Also knowing that there is Template:Cite press release, in a nutshell, press releases are allowed. GeraldWL 12:45, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, nothing on WP is an emergency, and even in the case you describe, we'd still want to tag it for a better source. I'm not trying to bust your chops, I'm just worried about the statement to a new user that as far as I'm concerned, press releases are fine. They really aren't, in 99% of cases, and in the 1%, they probably need to be replaced as soon as we reasonably can. There are three eee's at the end of valereee (yeah, I know, bad decision); your pings are failing because of that. —valereee (talk) 18:27, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the users' responses. I've read the thread and I do understand what both sides are saying, I got the idea of when to use and when not use press releases. AlphonseOop (talk) 11:01, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

What is Life Style ?

What does it mean Life Style ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle My understanding is Life style Is a personal choice forming the tendency to adapt a collective of habits and trends which form different pattern of living. Mish2022 (talk) 07:32, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mish2022: That is just one meaning of the word (see Lifestyle (sociology)). The page you linked to functions to disambiguate articles with similar-sounding titles or content. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:10, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok I understood thanks for help (Mish2022 (talk) 11:02, 13 November 2020 (UTC))(Mish2022 (talk) 11:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC)) (Mish2022 (talk) 10:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mish2022 (talk • contribs) 08:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mish2022: As you can see by the above, your signature (four tildes: ~~~~) needs to be the very last thing in your post in order to be recognized as a signature. Please don't follow it with a parenthesis or anything else. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Mary Wyant artist

Can someone find a bio on Mary Wyant, an artist in Tucson Arizona? I understand she taught at the U of Arizona and later became a full-time artist. She now has Alzheimer's disease and no longer paints. 47.196.140.244 (talk) 15:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Mary Wyant? It looks like there's a PBS documentary about her: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/a-mother-and-daughter-portrait-of-long-term-care. She doesn't have a Wikipedia page, though, and you'd have to find another reliable source of independent, significant coverage in order for her to have a page. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to tell someone that they need a source without undoing an edit?

I see a lot of edits that add new info without sources/citations. Is there a way to tell the user that they need citations without reverting their edit?

As a related question, can I make a draft-like edit that other people can revise, check, add citations, etc. without making it part of the actual page instantly? Eridian314 (talk) 16:23, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Eridian314, Well, talk pages might be the answer here. If you want to tell someone about their edits, leave a message on their talk page. You can also suggest what you want to add on the articles' talk page if you want opinions from other editors.

Additionally, you can mark the statement that needs citation with a {{Citation needed}} template, which looks like this:

"sentence in an article that needs citation."

Le Panini ^Talk 17:13, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Eridian314. If someone is adding unsourced info to an article I advise you to just revert it, and if you have WP:TW post the relevant notice on their talk page. CN tags are often ignored. SK2242 (talk) 07:16, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Or you can just search for a source yourself, if it's something which should be relatively easy to search for a source for. Try typing in the relevant keywords followed by "-wikipedia" on Google as a good place to start. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 20:05, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Using a reference more than once

I've noticed that sometimes in articles someone will use a reference more than once, and it will be marked as [1a], but when I tried using a reference more than once it just did [2], how would I fix this? SnazzyInfinity - Chat? 17:37, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@SnazzyInfinity: try WP:REFNAME. Note that the standard ref extension is yust capable of ^[number] afaik, anything else are templates. The closest one I could come up with is , which is done by giving the reference a group.Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:56, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

References

Ok, thanks SnazzyInfinity - Chat? 18:54, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@SnazzyInfinity: Multiple uses of the same reference will always be numbered (or lettered) the same in the usage in the article text (e.g.^[1]), with different backlinked letters (^{a b c}) in front of the reference below. Like this here.. Victor Schmidt I think they're all implemented using <ref group="..."> – the templates are just wrappers to help out. Template:Efn#Template use by reference group type has a table of the predefined types and wrapper templates. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

References

Thanks User:AlanM1 this is exactly what I was looking for. SnazzyInfinity - Chat? 14:26, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Undoing

I am trying to create a draft. I accidentally did something wrong, and I'm wondering if I can undo changes within edits without undoing the whole edit. Can I? D4135t 18:15, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

D4135t, Go into the page history, and click the undo button next to the recent edit. Le Panini ^Talk 18:33, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, D4135t, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what you're asking, but I see that you have since reverted an edit you made, so I'm guessing that you've worked it out. But since I've looked: Unless you do something to rescue it, User:D4135t/Ridiculous Story is probably going to get speedily deleted under criterion WP:U5. Putting a "humour" tag doesn't make it any more relevant to Wikipedia than not doing so,. --ColinFine (talk) 18:38, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Le Panini, that's not what I mean. What I mean is only undoing a certain portion of the edit and not the whole edit. D4135t 18:53, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi D4135t. As far as I know there isn't an easy way to rectify two revisions together if content in the same area has been both added and removed. The simplest way would be to go to the "View History" tab, select the revisions you'd like to compare and click the 'Compare selected revisions' button. This will show you the exact changes and you can copy and paste the parts you need into a new edit window in another tab. This would be called a 'partial manual revert'. Zindor (talk) 19:07, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@D4135t: Just edit the article again and change what you want to change. Remember that all edits are recorded in the history of the page, so clicking undo to totally undo an edit is effectively no different than just editing the article and manually putting things back the way they were. It's just a question of which is less work for you, or more likely to be accurate. Use undo when you're reverting most of a change and just leaving a little bit, or manually edit if you're keeping most of a change and just removing/fixing something small. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:40, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

I wish to create a Wikipedia site for the photographer James Fortune

I work with renowned rock photographer James Fortune, and he asked about Wikipedia. He has two websites jamesfortunephotography.com and james-fortune-archive.com His work is in the Smithsonian, The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in many rock books and on CD covers by artists such as Jimmy Page and others. A photo of his of John Bonham was used for Bonham's statue in England. There are numerous articles written about him, and his work has appeared in major publications all over the world. I think he would be a good subject for a Wikipedia article. Brookesaunders (talk) 21:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Brookesaunders. Wikipedia is not really a "website" for people in which they have pages or accounts per se as explained in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, but it is a website which contains encyclopedic articles written about people who are considered to meet its criteria for inclusion and article content. So, the first thing you're going to need to do is self-assess whether Fortune is someone considered to be Wikipedia notable. Try looking at Wikipedia:Notability (people) and also perhaps this guide written by a Wikipedia administrator named Ian.thomson to see if that's a real possibility. If it is, then perhaps you could start working on a draft for a possible article about him, and then submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review when you think it's ready. You can find some general information on how articles are actually expected to be written and how citations are to be added to articles in Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Brookesaunders: According to this search, this has been brought up a number of times, including Draft:James Fortune (photographer) by Brandyfortune that was declined for lack of sources, an editor Jamesfortune47 that was blocked for using the name of their apparent employer, which is not allowed, individual requests to various editors to try to get an article accepted, etc. I don't know if you are one of the previous people involved. If so, I'd suggest reviewing the plentiful informational links you've been given on policy and purpose of Wikipedia. It all comes down to whether you can demonstrate, via multiple independent, reliable sources that have covered him and his work in significant detail, that he is notable according to Wikipedia's criteria. If you are WP:PAID or have a relationship with him (WP:COI), those policies apply as well. Lastly, consider that having a Wikipedia article about you is not necessarily desirable and it is largely not under your control even if you do manage to write and have it accepted. Anyone editor is free to edit it, within Wikipedia guidelines and policies of course. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:02, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

First article

Hello, I'm new to Wiki. I just wrote my first article in the sandbox and want to publish to the public. I can't seem to find instructions to do this. Any help appreciated! Dave. Rocking Scoundrels (talk) 00:18, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Rocknig Scoundrels Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please review the important information I will post to your user talk page regarding your username. Regarding your draft, I will shortly add the appropriate information to allow you to submit it for consideration as formally being part of the encyclopedia(it is "public" in that anyone who knows about it can find it, but it is not yet part of the encyclopedia). However, if you were to submit it now, it would be rejected quickly, because it has no independent reliable sources to support its content. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources say about (in this case) a band, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable band, not what the band wants to say about itself or what it considers to be its own history. Wikipedia is only interested in what others say about your band, with significant coverage.

Successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia, and it is even harder with a conflict of interest. If you have independent reliable sources completely unaffiliated with the band that give it significant coverage, you may rewrite your draft to only summarize those sources. If such sources are lacking, it would not merit an article at this time. 331dot (talk) 00:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

• (Pinging Rocking Scoundrels.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:15, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Add back links

How do I add back links? I’m new so I don’t know how to add back links. Bbaaeeee (talk) 00:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Bbaaeeee, would you please explain what you mean by back links? You could have replaced the link you removed by going to your Contributions page (found at top of any Wikipedia page if you are logged in), located the edit which removed the link, and clicked the edit's blue "undo" link.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Bbaaeeee: Linking to another Wikipedia article is done by surrounding the page name with double square brackets like [[Foo]], which produces the blue link Foo (see WP:CHEATSHEET and MOS:LINK). Is that what you mean? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:18, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

"President-elect"

Discuss at Talk:President-elect of the United States

YOUR PRESIDENT-ELECT PUBLICATION CONTRIDICTS ITSELF. IT SAYS BIDEN AND HARRIS ARE PRESIDENT/VP ELECTS, HOWEVER, REFER TO FIRST AND LAST SENTENCE OF CONGRESSIONAL ....THE 'ELECTS' ARE THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN ELECTED BY THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, AND NO ONE HAS BEEN ELECTED BY THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE YET. MIGHT FEEL GOOD TO CONSIDER THE ARE PRESIDENT AND VP-ELECT, FOR PROPAGANDA REASONS, BUT VERY UNTRUE, AND ALL OTHER THINGS OUT THERE ARE UNTRUE. READ THE LAW READ THE LAW READ THE LAW 70.126.151.105 (talk) 07:40, 14 November 2020 (UTC) Hello. Please don't yell. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, not necessarily what is official or legal. Almost all reliable sources have determined who the winner is. If you disagree with what they say, you will need to take that up with them. Good luck with that. 331dot (talk) 08:03, 14 November 2020 (UTC) "Projecting" is the better word. We have to be careful with RS-es, though, since their biases have gotten more robust. GeraldWL 10:30, 14 November 2020 (UTC) Multiple IP addresses, new accounts, and sleeper accounts have been popping up in various places to make poorly stated complaints of this type in the past few days. I think that there may be external canvassing. In any case, they have a right to pop up and make their statements, and the community has a right to state that Wikipedia summarizes what reliable sources have reported. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:37, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

How to contact a specific editor?

I am interested in contacting Grey Wanderer from Missouri. I am a non-traditional student at a community college in southwest Missouri. I am considering editing the college's Wikipedia page next semester as part of a class project. DonneyC (talk) 08:02, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

DonneyC Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Every editor has a user talk page, such as mine: User talk:331dot. A user talk page is intended for communication with the named person. Some users also allow others to email them, with an "Email this user" link on the same page to the left; though users are not obligated to respond. 331dot (talk) 08:08, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

DonneyC, just post at User talk:Grey Wanderer. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:19, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm an audio-visual learner. Learning from reading is difficult for me.  DonneyC (talk) 08:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

To contact Grey Wanderer, I just need to add a new section on their talk page?  DonneyC (talk) 08:32, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

DonneyC You can start a new section, or just edit the entire page. 331dot (talk) 08:42, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Marketing

How the picture of any products can be replaced when it is wrong? 154.68.126.69 (talk) 09:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

From the title of this section I gather that WP:PAID applies to you. As for image corrections, the best path is probably to ask at WP:FFU to have a new image revision uploaded. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

I would also consider discussion image concerns on the relevant article's talk page. The problem with Wikimedia Commons is that there's tons of licencing controls, but virtually no quality control on the accuracy of the image and its labelling. Flagging up concerns over an image's use on a talk page is very helpful. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:10, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

What's the difference...

...between normal rollback and Twinkle rollback? Hello 10:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC) Hello 10:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Lettherebedarklight, nothing. And there's also nothing different between rollback and undo. It's just... undoing. GeraldWL 10:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

...so why do both exist? Just curious. Hello 10:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Lettherebedarklight, absolutely no idea. Perhaps if you get rollback privileges, you can undo it quicker. I dunno. GeraldWL 10:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Lettherebedarklight, Gerald Waldo Luis. Rollback requires special privilege and is restricted as to when it may be used. It requires one click, doesn't ask for an edit summary, and I think it doesn't notify the person being reverted. —teb728 t c 10:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Undo bring up an edit screen which by default reverts the selected edit and has a canned edit summary, but you can edit anything on the page and change the edit summary. I seldom use Twinkle rollback, but as I recall it asks for a reason and adds the page to your watchlist. —teb728 t c 11:16, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight: Twinkle rollback has three options: Good faith, Regular, and Vandalism. Reverting as "vandalism" does not prompt for an edit summary, but the other two kinds do. In addition, Twinkle rollback opens the talk page of the user you're reverting, and makes it much easier to warn them, and as teb728 says it also adds the reverted page to your watchlist. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 12:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Population spread

Hey everyone, I'm very new at this so thank you in advance for helping me out.

I was looking at the page for my hometown Edmeston, New York and I noticed there was a red link to a page for "population spread," which does not exist on Wikipedia.

I looked around at other towns in the county to see what they put for population spread and it looks like they just do not link it to a page at all. Is this something that I should switch to plain text or is there another suggested page to link to?

Thank you! Otsegomaniac (talk) 14:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

If there isn't a link it should be redirected to, chances are you should just leave it. The red link guideline says, 'Do not remove red links unless you are certain that Wikipedia should not have an article on the subject, or if the red link could be replaced with a link to an article section where the subject is covered as part of a broader topic'. SnazzyInfinity (talk • contribs) 14:58, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Otsegomaniac and SnazzyInfinity I got curious so I Googled "population spread" - the first few pages of results mostly wrre about the management of invasive alien plants, none were about humans or cities at all. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Who are they?

Who are the editor who can review the drafts which are submitted for review. Adishere (talk) 14:02, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

The main people who review drafts submitted for review are people from the Articles for Creation WikiProject.

The requirements to become a reviewer are:

• a Wikipedia account at least 90 days old.
• a minimum of 500 undeleted edits to articles.
• thoroughly read and understood the reviewing instructions.
• a demonstrated understanding of the policies mentioned in the reviewing instructions, including the various special notability categories.
• reasonable evidence of understanding the deletion policy (experience in areas such as CSD/AfD/PROD or page curation, while not mandatory, are beneficial).
• a willingness and ability to respond in a timely manner to questions about their reviews.

Eyebeller (talk) 14:21, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Adishere. We also have a list of all active reviewers at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants. The shortcut to arrive at this same page is WP:AFC/P. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:25, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Lowercase sigmabot III stopped archiving my talk page

At the top of my talk page, I have the following archiving configuration:

{{User:MiszaBot/config | algo = old(5d) | archive = User talk:Eyebeller/Archives/%(year)d/%(monthname)s | archiveheader = {{Archive}} | minthreadsleft = 5 }}

This seemed to have stopped working though. I have 6 threads on my talk page, enough for an archive and the oldest thread which I expect to be archived is 12 days old. Why doesn't it work? Eyebeller (talk) 14:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

How to make userbox call bracket thing?

Hello, @Sandy14156: was kind enough to make me a userbox to show that the user that displays it has an IP VPN exception. I read a bit on Wikipedia:Userboxes, but I still can't understand how I take the userbox and make a userbox code (I think that's the right term) that lets me embed it in my userpage. Here is the [[1]] if anyone wants to use it. I'm talking about the userbox text inside the curly brackets. Thank you to anyone who can help. Sorry if my lack of Wikipedia knowledge confuses you. SmileyTrek (talk) 14:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi SmileyTrek. You can do one of two things:

1. Take the name of the userpage where it was created and call it to your userpage by surrounding that page title in curly brackets, i.e., template call markup. So, post where you want the userbox to display: {{User:Sandy14156/Userboxes/IP block}}; or
2. Take the raw code from the userbox page, and post that to where you want the userbox to display. So, copy and paste this to your userpage:

{{Userbox
| border-c = #FFD700
| id       = IP
| id-c     = red
| id-fc    = #000000
| id-s     = 14
| info     = This user has an VPN IP block exemption.
| info-c   = gold
| info-fc  = black
| info-s   = 8
}}

One advantage of using the raw code is that if the userbox ever gets deleted, modified, or vandalized, that won't affect your userpage display. (There's even a third option, which is to substitute the template call in (1) above to your userpage, which will have the same affect as (2) above, but I thought that limiting the options might be best.) Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:42, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Number of Wikipedia articles

How many Wikipedia articles are there? I lost count 😉 Jenerusmonkeyman426 (talk) 14:37, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

On the CreateAccount page, it says there are 6,190,094 articles. 14:50, 14 November 2020 (UTC) Eyebeller (talk) 14:50, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

The {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} and {{NUMBEROFPAGES}} WP:Magic words will give you the current numbers (6,931,521 and 62,152,905 respectively). ‑ Iridescent 14:55, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Jenerusmonkeyman426, the number of articles is also on the Main Page, in the banner at the top. It's not an exact number but updates frequently. —valereee (talk) 15:42, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

new article question by Poopas1994

Hello I am writing in regards to a subject and i was told i am trying to praise the subject what can i do to sound neutral this is the link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Poopas1994/sandbox --Poopas1994 (talk) 16:29, 14 November 2020 (UTC) Poopas1994 (talk) 16:29, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Poopas1994, sounds like you're being paid to make it. Note that being paid doesn't mean you get money, it simply means you're being told or coerced into doing so. If you're told to "praise the subject," you probably won't be able to make it neutral under the command of the one telling you to make the article. But if you really want to contribute to this encyclopedia and not care about that paid edit, I can help you with that. GeraldWL 16:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis I think that the OP was saying a reviewer told them they were praising the subject, not that they were instructed to praise it. 331dot (talk) 16:49, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Poopas1994: adding the same reference over and over is not going to help your case. I will generate a source assesment according to WP:GNG in about half an hour. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:58, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Lol okay. Could you tell me how I can make it better? The invention is notable and I found links to its publishing.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Poopas1994 (talk • contribs)

@Poopas1994: Judging from the images you uploaded to Commons, which are of a far higher resolution and originality than is used by the subject on her Facebook and her website pages, and also because you seem to have access to all her patent documents, it suggests to me that you probably have a very close relationship with the designer, Christine Kato. If that is the case, you must declare that connection before you attempt to edit further. Instructions how to do that are at this page on Conflict of Interest and this page on paid editing. I have left similar advice for you on your talk page. Please also read PROMOTION and AUTOBIOGRAPHY to understand why trying to write about oneself or a close colleague is not a good idea. I would also add that if the 'Breast handbag' is itself notable and meets our notability criteria, then the article should be about that, and not about its creator. The overkill of images in Draft:Christine Kato suggests there is a dual purpose in trying to create this article, explained further here. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:30, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Oh okay that's true. I will change it to The Breast Handbag Design also from Website,FB,IG and google photos high resolution can be downloaded. --Poopas1994 (talk) 20:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Ouch, source assesment took a while. Here we go:

Source assessment table

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/kato-ingenious-bag-designer-with-unusual-touch/	~ In large parts the subject's own words	appears to be reliable	about 3 pages if I were to print this excluding the ads	~ Partial
https://guardian.ng/guardian-woman/i-want-to-use-my-breast-bag-design-to-create-more-awareness-for-cancer-christine-kato/	Interview	~ Generally a reliable source, but Interviews are WP:PRIMARY	some coverage, howewer, still not independent	✘ No
http://www.eregistration.copyright.gov.ng/search/application?id=pSzmvc95sME%3d	~ Patent entry	~ Probbably reliable, but WP:PRIMARY again	directory entry	✘ No
http://www.alexreports.info/2019/01/boobs-i-want-to-use-my-breast-bag.html?m=1	Dead link	Dead link	Dead link	✘ No
www.christinekato.com	Subject's website	~ Subject's website, see WP:PRIMARY and WP:BLPPRIMARY	Interesting animation, but virtually no coverage.	✘ No
https://www.nigerianwomendiary.com/2019/04/a-unique-breast-bag-by-house-of-christine-art-and-designs/	Could not be deterimed	Blog post	No coverage of Christine Kato, but rather on her campaing	✘ No
https://www.newswatch.ng/checkout-a-unique-artworks-created-by-house-of-christine-art-and-designs/	Dead link	Dead link	Dead link	✘ No
RPD/RD/2016/495	No source location could be determined.	No source location could be determined.	No source location could be determined.	? Unknown
NG/P/2018/89	No source location could be determined.	No source location could be determined.	No source location could be determined.	? Unknown
NO AW0140	No source location could be determined.	No source location could be determined.	No source location could be determined.	? Unknown
https://www.nigerianngo.com/blog/house-of-christine-is-raising-awareness-for-breast-cancer-through-fashion	guardian source	blog, WP:SELFPUB	this is sourced to the second ref examined	✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/lifestyle/fashion/my-staff-have-been-told-to-cut-ties-with-me-says-ceo-of-house-of-christine-art-and/mb1k30v	interview	probbably reliable	about a lengthely page	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaOtlS98r6k	Interview	~ Interview, also WP:RSPYT	~ 4:20 interview	✘ No
https://twmagazine.net/tw-opinion/the-scourge-of-breast-ironing	~ Possibly depending on interview contents not publicly available	possibly reliable	One short opinated paragraph probbably from itnerview	✘ No
https://www.pulse.ng/news/rising-dragons-christine-kato-house-of-christine/eqs4826	~ largely interview-like content	~ News probbably reliable, interview contents definitely not	~ Not much coverage apart from subject's own words	~ Partial
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Assesed revision: this one Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:54, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Question by Humpin04

Can I please Become a writer not an editor Humpin04 (talk) 17:01, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Humpin04. Editor is simply a generic term that is used to refer to Wikipedia users. It doesn't restrict you to "editing" - you can write article content too (providing you follow the rules, of course). Cordless Larry (talk) 17:30, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Reference Not Existing

• Draft:Bad Time Simulator

I am trying to add references to a page, and I found a reference. I put the reference in the page, and it didn't have a link. I have typed the URL correctly. D4135t 19:01, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@D4135t: it didn't work because you ommited the http:// protocol, which is required for the software to turn something into a clickable link. I have added it for you this time. Note that I am not so sure if this topic meets WP:GNG resp. the source WP:SELFPUB. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:21, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@D4135t: A link is actually among the less important things in a proper citation, the purpose of which is to provide the reader with enough information to find the source if they want to verify it. Generally, the title, author, publisher, and date are the important parts. What you have included there is often called a "naked link". Please see WP:ERB for a quick tutorial on using the citation tool to generate more robust cites. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Help with translation

Hi, i'm translating Street_newspaper in another language. I'm having difficulties with one line. From Street_newspaper#Modern_street_newspapers "Modern street newspapers began to emerge in the United States in the late 1980s in response to increasing levels of homelessness and homeless advocates' dissatisfaction with the mainstream media's portrayals of the homeless". What does "homeless advocates'" mean here? does it mean Advocate who are homeless? Could someone help me understand or simplify the line. Thanks. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. It means someone who engages in Advocacy for the homeless. RudolfRed (talk) 20:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

RudolfRed, your link for "Advocacy" redirects to an article about advocates, as the term is used standardly but for a meaning that I believe is different from that intended here. (Its opening sentence is "An advocate is a professional in the field of law.") আফতাবুজ্জামান, perhaps: Modern street newspapers began to emerge in the United States in the late 1980s in response to (i) increasing levels of homelessness and (ii) dissatisfaction {among [people working to help the homeless]} with the way that the mainstream media portrayed the homeless. (I've {[bracketed]} in an attempt to show the structure.) Don't take my "working to help" to mean "employed and paid to help"; instead, it's "exerting efforts to help". These efforts may well have included housing and providing food and other materials/services; however, "advocacy" instead rather suggests pushing housing-related institutions to carry out the work (of housing) that they were supposed to do, agitating for and against homelessness-related legislation and budget changes, and so forth. A minority of the people described may have had paralegal or legal qualifications; however, there's no implication that they would have been advocates in the sense described in the Wikipedia article "Advocate". -- Hoary (talk) 23:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

My link to Advocacy does not redirect anywhere, so not sure what you are referring to. The advocate link for legal profession term was used the by OP. RudolfRed (talk) 01:19, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

However I do see that maybe it is not as useful as it could be. Apologies to the OP for any confusion. RudolfRed (talk) 01:21, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, RudolfRed: when I wrote that, I must have been sleepier than I realized. -- Hoary (talk) 23:28, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Template:User zh-yue-3

• {{User zh-yue-3}}

For that template above, does it state that you can speak Cantonese, and not read it? --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 21:25, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: I doubt it. I don't believe the "Babel" templates are meant to draw a distinction among speaking, reading, or writing. Google Translate says that template says "This user can communicate in proficient Cantonese", FWIW. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1, Because I can only speak it, and not read it much. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 21:53, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

I need help with an error message.

Hello,

While I was playing around in my own Sandbox page, I got an error in a citation:

3. ^Dombroskie, Jason J. (November 14, 2020). "A Matrix Key to Families, Subfamilies, and Tribes of Lepidoptera of Canada" (PDF). Canadian Journal of Arthropod Identification. No. 17 (July 2011): 1–129 – via doi:10.3752/cjai.2011.17. line feed character in |title= at position 39.

I am trying to follow the error message, but I cannot seem to find anything wrong. I also went to the help page, but I cannot seem to find the error. Maybe I need an expert's eyes to find it.

Thank you for reading this message.

Kind Regards,

Haemocyanin11 (talk) 22:22, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahuse Haemocyanin11. Some how a blank space had been inserted into the title line separating it into two sections. I fixed it with this edit. Sometimes it is a copy paste error but other things can cause that as well. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 22:29, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Script to update redirected article or template names

Hi all, following my highly successful earlier questions (thanks collectively for your help) I have another one:

I often edit templates and navboxes and occasionally stumble on a list such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Lists of pages/Templates where it would be very useful to have a script that will update the page with the new titles of the current templates, as, often, article or template titles have been moved and it's quite cumbersome to manually correct them.

I thought this is probably a fairly standard problem and would like to ask if anyone knows a script that could do this? I currently have the very useful link analysis script which is related but not entirely what I am looking for

Thanks, and would you mind pinging me in your response, Tom (LT) (talk) 03:25, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Greetings Tom (LT). "Cleaning up" after a template move is generally a cosmetic edit that has no effect on the rendered page. As such, it is generally not done by a script or bot due to restrictions on bots making solely cosmetic edits. It's certainly possible that there is an approved bot that can do this along with other substantive bot edits; you might consider asking at WT:BRFA. CThomas³ (talk) 17:11, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Image on website; can I use it?

This website has a picture of a coal mine toward the bottom of the page. At the extreme bottom of the page is the note"© 2020 City of Carterville, ILPhotography Credit to Devin Miller". Can I use this image in a Wikpedia article, with attribution? NoPatriarchy (talk) 03:49, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

See WP:NFCC. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 03:54, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Need to Correct Historical Injustice

Can one of the editors correct the information regarding the origin of rice? Due to China's usual behavior of masking and altering their history, making people across the globe believe their lies about the origins of rice, let alone the fact that they have 0 increased cases of COVID-19, people are growing up stupid, thinking that China was the origin of rice when South Korea was. See BBC News link that was created with information sent from the science faculty of a South Korean University a decade or two ago. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3207552.stm

I am tired of China attempting to steal and conceal Korea's culture, including the recent incident where a Chinese mobile game and Youtuber claimed that the traditional Korean clothing 'hanbok' was theirs. It is no different from historical injustice and I wish to correct people's misunderstandings about the world. TruthFinderxx (talk) 03:58, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

We are emphatically not interested in your agenda. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 04:08, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

@TruthFinderxx: Wikipedia is not here to right great wrongs. Having said that, you might want to discuss the subject with other editors at Talk:Rice, since the article's origin section could perhaps benefit from expansion. Just be sure to leave all the (anti-)propaganda stuff out; you'll get a much better response. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:59, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Evidence for Korean origin is already in the article under subsection "Other hypotheses." If there are more refs in support, add there. After, start a discussion on the Talk page about origin. The article as written already covers a China or India first dispute. David notMD (talk) 09:17, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Reliable source

Are these three books reliable to make changes in Udal of Mahoba:-

1.A Critical Survey of Hindi Literature[2]

2.Hindi Literature[3]

3.The Last Hindu Emperor: Prithviraj Cauhan and the Indian Past, 1200–2000[4] Sumit banaphar (talk) 05:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, Sumit banaphar. You should ask at the page Talk:Udal of Mahoba.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:25, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, Sumit banaphar. You should ask at the page Talk:Udal of Mahoba.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:27, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

At least the third one looks like a decent source, and since I could largely access it I can have an opinion on it. The question then becomes "What does it say about Udal of Mahoba and what content do you want to add to the article based on it?" And that is a discussion for Talk:Udal of Mahoba. Or WP:RSN, but talkpages are the place to start. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:13, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, The article Udal of Mahoba currently includes the text

They were of mixed Ahir and Rajput descent and belonged to the Banaphar clan.

And I want to change it to "They were of Rajput descent and belonged to the Banaphar clan of Rajputs" by using the reference of the book which may be you consider reliable. And for checking the source here is the link of the exact page i want to use as a reference:-

The Last Hindu Emperor: Prithviraj Cauhan and the Indian Past, 1200–2000[5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumit banaphar (talk • contribs) 08:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Again, please take specific questions about a specific article to the article talk page, or to WP:RSN where you have also posted before to ask about sources. However, this particular question is one you have been raising many times, and it is becoming clear that you are more interested in trying to remove content that goes against your personal conviction than in making sure that Wikipedia presents information that is based on what reliable secondary sources actually say. If reliable secondary sources disagree about a fact (which is not the case here, to be clear!) then the Wikipedia article can reflect that disagreement, but Wikipedia editors can't remove one well-sourced piece of information because they find another source that doesn't mention that info. Regarding the article about Udal, the existing source for the statement "They were of mixed Ahir and Rajput descent" has not been contradicted by any of the sources you have provided (including The Last Hindu Emperor).

Please note that we can't use Wikipedia to right great wrongs, and your failure to listen to what people have told you here and here and Talk:Udal of Mahoba is becoming disruptive. This is not similar to a situation where somebody has misspelt a name and the name's bearer is the best authority on how to spell it. I know I am being blunt here, but when somebody won't stop repeating the same argument, it can lead to sanctions to stop them from wasting other editors' time. --bonadea contributions talk 11:04, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@bonadea,The source is clearly saying about what I'm claiming. And yeah I also think that I'm wasting others administrators time but I never ask for help from you and no, only that person can tell to how to speak his / her name. But it's okay I ask for help from a good administrator.

SPEEDY DELETION

Why is BricknBolt page getting deleted? I have provided citations whic cover the content and have written the page from a non biased point? Please give me some pointers from the page which can be edited so that the page is not deleted.

Thank You NitinBnB (talk) 05:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

It isn't up for speedy deletion, it's at a deletion debate. Read the AfD. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 05:56, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

The deletion discussion is here. (I see that you refer above to the company as "BricknBolt", while the article variously uses "Brick&Bolt", "Brick & Bolt", and "BrickBolt".) Maproom (talk) 07:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Per the deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brick&Bolt, all the refs you used are derived from press releases about the company receiving some start-up funding. At least three independent refs are needed. Separately, you have been asked to declare your presumed paid relationship on your User page. David notMD (talk) 09:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Hijacking article

This page K. Annamalai has a history of hijacking to a police officer with a same name who joined a political party recently. Lipute17 is doing it again. Please someone remove it, this is not the police officer annamalai. 2409:4072:391:41F7:3CAB:3AE2:CAB8:31D3 (talk) 07:34, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Done. Wow, there really is a long history of confusion between two people with same name. The existing article is a Stub with one (broken) ref, so easy to understand why people acting in good faith believe they are adding content in the right place. David notMD (talk) 09:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Submission error

have got an error like this This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources. hope refrencing has done correctly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Raghu_Shastry AjKa180 (talk) 09:14, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

The draft you created has 15 refs. You could ask the declining reviewer why those were not considered reliable. David notMD (talk) 09:46, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

AjKa180 I would review your draft again, and let you know that why I declined it earlier. Please wait until some hours. I'll leave you a message on your talk page. Thank you. ─ The Aafī on Mobile (^talk) 21:24, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Question by Krobbyzw

Hello! I was wondering if Wikipedia keeps any record of historically controversial topics such as the actions of John Lionel Blakiston. I recently created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Krobbyzw/John_Lionel_Blakiston with support from Encyclopedia Rhodesia. I understand that the Mugabe administration has been vilifying the "Pioneer Column" and I have not encountered the Mnangagwa Administration's views on the subject yet.

Many thanks for your time :-) Krobbyzw (talk) 11:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC) Krobbyzw (talk) 11:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Hellom Krobbyzw. Nobody else has answered you, so I'll give it a go. Wikipedia doesn't care whether topics are good or bad, commercial or non-commercial, controversial or not. All that matters is that there is enough reliably published secondary material about the issue. It should summarise all the mainstream points of view in those sources; but if a particular view has not (yet) been the subject of reliable secondary sources, then it will not feature. Take care that Wikipedia is not for righting great wrongs. WikiProject Zimbabwe appears to be semi-active, so you might find collaborators there. WikiProject Africa is more active, I think. --ColinFine (talk) 18:17, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Entry

How do you make a entry FHS Racing (talk) 12:52, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! Can you please clarify what you mean by an "entry"? Do you mean an article? Eyebeller (talk) 13:27, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

FHS Racing I recommend learning to edit first. Check out Wikipedia:Wikipedia Adventure TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:30, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep getting messages about edits I didn't make

Hi there

I keep getting messages when I go on Wikipedia that my IP address has made edits to the page. I can guarantee no one in my family has been making these edits.

Is there any way that I can get it to stop? 197.229.142.65 (talk) 13:50, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

create an account. Unfortunally, because of the nature of Ip adresses, this is the only option. Remember so choose an appropiate username, see the username policy. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:58, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP 197.229.142.65. You can see all of the edits being made by the IP address here. There have only been three made so far (unless some others have been deleted): the one you made when posting here at the Teahouse and two others made to the article Raw material. There's no way to tell who made those two edits, and the best that anyone looking at the account's edit history can say is that they were made using the same IP address. Since IP accounts don't require a password to use, one benefit of creating an account would be that, in principle, only you would be able to use it; in other words, edits made by others using the same IP address would not be attributed to your account. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:10, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi. This is fairly hypothetical—might or might not work depending on your particular setup—but for me, if I unplug my modem, wait at least thirty seconds, and then reconnect, my IP address is usually reassigned.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:16, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

That does not work on some systems (Spectrum/Charter in SoCal, for example), which try to re-assign the same IP that was last used by a given MAC address, with a timeout of at least several hours IIRC. Other systems, expecially wireless systems (e.g. Verizon) re-assign addresses on each connection, which could occur just by navigating to another page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:27, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

List of music memes

I remember there was a page, I think it might've been a category page, that listed a bunch of "music memes" such as PPAP, Baby Shark, and Shooting Stars to name a few. I can not find this page. If anyone knows where it is, or whether it is still up or not, please notify me as soon as you can. Thanks. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 15:38, 15 November 2020 (UTC) TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 15:38, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

(Reply to message above) Nevermind, I found it. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 15:40, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

For those who need to know, I'm guessing they found Category:Music memes. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:10, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

User Status

Hello. I made a user status page and put the text "school" there. However, my status won't show on my user page. Does anyone know how to fix this? Jackalope 10 16:34, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

On your userpage you put {{UserStatus|User:Jackalope 10/school}}. It should be {{UserStatus|User:Jackalope10/status}}. Cheers! Use {{re|PorkchopGMX}} to ping (Push to talk) 16:49, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for the help! Jackalope 10 01:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)Jackalope 10

No problem, but if you’re replying to a talk page message, make sure to indent your comments. Use {{re|PorkchopGMX}} to ping (Push to talk) 14:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Latest stable software release templates

Why the most software versions in category are not updated to the last versions? It is not best solution to centralize all versions on Wikidata? --37.116.102.74 (talk) 17:04, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Someone else (you?) asked this a couple of days ago with no reply. If you don't get a reply this time, try WP:VPI to float your idea. RudolfRed (talk) 18:00, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not supposed to be an up-to-the-minute repository of data like that (see WP:NOTCHANGELOG). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:38, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Politics vs. Culture

I'm editing articles about a town in Germany. Would I put a subsection about "crest, flag, and banner" under the "Politics" or "Culture" section? What about a subsection about "twin/sister cities"?

Any help is appreciated; thanks! Kuupanyu (talk) 20:03, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Kuupanyu, there's not strict standardization on Wikipedia, so it's up to your judgement. There are two places you can look for precedent, though. The first is a layout instruction page, in this case Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure. The second is examples of Featured city/town articles—just choose one from the list (preferably one that was promoted more recently, as those tend to be most in line with best practices) and see what it does and follow that. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Article being spammed

Hi there is an article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furus it is being spammed by someone. the content is gibberish. How do i stop it?  Mudassarsunge (talk) 21:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Furus

@Mudassarsunge: You can request page protection at WP:RFPP if there is ongoing vandalism RudolfRed (talk) 21:05, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mudassarsunge: I can see that this is one or more users causing problems from multiple IP addresses over quite a long period. I have semi-protected the article for 3 months to avoid further disruption. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:17, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Create page

Hello I need help on creating a page how do you create a page i am on the wikepideia app on phone Ezzpin (talk) 22:37, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Ezzpin: Your userpage says you used to have another account, and have made over 62,000 edits on it, which is even more than me, so you must undoubtedly know the basics of editing already. I've never used the Wikipedia app you speak of, so can't directly help you. But I manage fine on a tiny iPhone screen in desktop mode in an ordinary web browser. So give that a try, and you should be just fine. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Hyliion

Would it be okay if I were to continue editing the draft for the company Hyliion (See Draft:Hyliion) even if I am not the original author? I would like to improve the article so that it may meet the criteria for publication on Wikipedia. It is a publicly listed company that one can find reputable sources for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leiwang7 (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Leiwang7. Yes, providing you can find reliable sources to support Notability, then it will be OK for you to continue editing that draft. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Please read my draft that you just reviewed, I made changes.

 Aau101 (talk) 01:03, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

The advice you need to follow, Aau101, is at the top of the page at Draft:Matt Davis (Basketball). In essence, it needs much better sources to meet our notability criteria for sportspeople. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Help creating a Nav Box

Hello, I am working on Lagos University Teaching Hospital and I would like to inclde a Nav box on this page but i am unsure how to do so. Please could someone take me through how I can do this? Any other suggestions to improve the article would be amazing. Thank you! Creatorhj244 (talk) 01:04, 16 November 2020 (UTC) Creatorhj244 (talk) 01:04, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Creatorhj244, WP:NAV should have your answer. Le Panini ^Talk 02:53, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Question about creating a "deep link" to a section of an article

Hello, I have tried to create a deep link following guidance on this Wikipedia page Wikipedia:Linking_to_Wikipedia, but I am not sure what have I done wrong because the link I tried to create directs me to the title of the other Wikipedia page, rather than to the particular section of that page. I appreciate if anyone could please provide me some guidance on how to do this appropriately? Thank you! --Chubbylilrabbit (talk) 03:13, 16 November 2020 (UTC) Carrolquadrio

Hi Chubbylilrabbit . I would be able to tell you exactly what is going on if you pointed out the page where you tried to do this, provided a diff, or attempted to place the link here, so I could assess the actual issue and thus tailor an answer. In the absence of that specificity, a link to an internal section is made by placing the base page name first, followed by a hash tag and then the exact name of a section header (or anchored term), all enclosed within doubled brackets, viz, this section, "deep" within this page is linked like this: [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#Question about creating a "deep link" to a section of an article]]. Based on what you've said, one possibility is that you're trying to link to a page that has been redirected. If none of that helps, can you please provide the specificity I was referring to previously? Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Greetings, Chubbylilrabbit, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm guessing you are referring to your sandbox? It looks like you have reversed the two parts of the internal link. You have

[[Cross-sectional study|Cross-sectional_study#Weaknesses_of_aggregated_data]]

However, internal links are formed by [[Target | display text]], so if you wish to link to the subsection, the context is put on the left side, like this:

[[Cross-sectional study#Weaknesses of aggregated data|Weaknesses of aggregated data]]

This renders as Weaknesses of aggregated data. Note that there are some short-hand templates that may be of use, such as as {{Main}} or {{Further}} to do this as well:

{{Further|Cross-sectional study#Weaknesses of aggregated data}}

This renders on a new line like so:

Further information: Cross-sectional study § Weaknesses of aggregated data

I hope this helps! CThomas³ (talk) 04:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

(e/c) Ah, I looked harder; you did it backwards; you typed:

[[Cross-sectional study|Cross-sectional_study#Weaknesses_of_aggregated_data]]

when it's properly:

[[Cross-sectional_study#Weaknesses_of_aggregated_data|Cross-sectional study]].

Note that you do not need the underscores (which in URLs, take the place of spaces), so [[Cross-sectional study#Weaknesses of aggregated data|Cross-sectional study]] works exactly the same, and when not piping the link to a different display, is not as "aesthetic". Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

Hi Fuhghettaboutit and Cthomas3, thank you so much for your guidance! They really helped me to solve my problem! Regards, --Chubbylilrabbit (talk) 05:34, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Fear of Being Blocked from Editing

Dear Administrators, My name is Meaghan Brown, and I know that everyone can edit Wikipedia. I am very scared because I do not like harsh criticism and I fear being blocked from editing Wikipedia because I have a right to edit as much as everyone does. Please do not block me from editing. I am only trying to help Wikipedia by adding more info for readers to learn about, and this is based on Wikipedia pages in other languages, as well as Google search pages templates and mylife.com. I do not like the thought of being blocked as indefinite punishment for trying to add more information to pages of female figure skaters so that readers can learn more about them. Could you please give me gentle advice? I do not sit well with harsh criticism. --Signed: Meaghan Brown, Holliston, MA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.100.163 (talk) 03:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia pages (in any language) and mylife.com are not acceptable as sources: see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. I don't know what you mean by "Google search pages templates", but it's not acceptable to say such things as "Google/Yahoo/Duckduckgo/Bing shows many results for" whatever. Blocks are preventative, not punitive. One piece of advice I'd give is: Create a user ID, and only edit while logged in with that user ID. -- Hoary (talk) 06:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Meaghan—based on your talk page, I see you've had a fairly rough time getting started, and I'm sorry it's been scary or stressful. To put it simply, what the warnings are communicating is that, when you add information, it needs to be done with a reference to a reliable source such as a newspaper article. You can learn how to do that at Help:Referencing for beginners, and you may want to check out the rest of the introductory tutorial as well. If you do that, you are unlikely to encounter further trouble. I second Hoary's advice to create an account (which will give you a clean start of sorts), and their note that blocks are not punitive (despite how they might seem). Basically, the one thing we care about here is building an encyclopedia, and so long as you contribute toward that goal, you will do alright. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I will also second the points made above. A statement being true is not enough. Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, requires verification in the form of references that meet the standard of reliable sources. The warnings you have received are standard wording (not personal). The warning system escalates if an editor continues to make the same mistake. Many new editors have a rough start because the rules are not visible until your break one! David notMD (talk) 10:10, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Submission error

This page was got approved & it got deleted she appears in all notable news papers have individual sources but content is getting rejected. all her movies is also released & movie pages is also there. kindly help me in getting it approved https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anusha_(actress) AjKa180 (talk) 04:09, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi AjKa180—the page Anusha (actress) already exists. Please contribute there rather than trying to start a duplicate page. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:43, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

If this is about the subject of Anusha Rai (actress), that mainspace article was deleted under WP:G4. —teb728 t c 06:59, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

teb728, The draft is also create protected. See Draft:Anusha Rai. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 14:39, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for ur response here is the page link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anusharai_(actress)

AjKa180 But is it about the subject of the existing article, or is it about Anusha Rai? —teb728 t c 07:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC) Sorry, I misread the new url.

searching for discussions within the Wikipedian community

Hey everyone! I'm searching for discussion about how Wikipedians have approached writing about a particular subject (namely, the US government's treaties with peoples Native to this land.) My question (at least for this forum) is less about the best practices for organizing information & pages on that subject relative to each other, but rather about how to (if its possible) search through Wikipedian discussions on how others have approached the topic. I have an instinct to find page clusters on the subject that I think are well organized and link to each other comprehensively, and to look through their talk pages for discussion on how the community arrived at that structure, but I'm also curious if there's are more subject-specific forums, or if I can search for the sort of discussion I'm looking for somewhere. I know this community discusses things rigorously and I want to build on previous conversations on this matter. Thank you in advance for your advice! Eharris33 (talk) 05:08, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Eharris33. Yours is an excellent question, but I am afraid I have no easy answer. You can start at Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America, but in my experience, most WikiProjects are inactive in recent years. The most promising possibility may be list articles, such as List of United States treaties, and categories, such as Category:Treaties of indigenous peoples of North America and Category:United States and Native American treaties. You may find some summary articles in that list and those categories, and you can try to initiate discussion on the talk pages of those articles. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:39, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for these initial thoughts, Cullen328! Eharris33 (talk) 23:00, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

New article

I am new to this mega forum and enthusiastic to learn more. I want to know what are the prerequisite to write and publish new article. Aa.arrow (talk) 05:19, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Aa.arrow. Please read and study Your first article and the links there. Familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Be sure you understand. Then get started. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

New editor and create new article are often incompatible. Advise you build experience editing existing articles before attempting to create one. David notMD (talk) 10:14, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

At a practical level, you can start working on a draft in your Sandbox while you are also learning more about Wikipedia. Do not develop content at your User page (a common beginner's error). David notMD (talk) 10:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

regarding resubmitting the draft due to some issue.

Yesterday, I have written an article about genuine person who really working in Bollywood Film industry now. and today i got some message about resubmitting draft due to some issue please resolve my issue i really want to publish this person's details on article space. Please help he ASAP.. Thanks! Nazarbandh2020 (talk) 05:38, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Nazarbandh2020. Please read every word in the notices at the top of Draft:Rahul Singh Rana, click on all of the links, and follow all of the advice and guidance you find there. It is up to you to resolve the issues. If you have a specific question, please feel free to ask. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Nazarbandh2020. Please read WP:COI. And if you are being paid to edit Wikipedia on behalf of him or his film, you must comply with WP:PAID. —teb728 t c 05:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I've also just had to remove portions lifted wholesale from the cited sources. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 06:55, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Help Getting Started to Contributing Article on Wikipedia

Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to read my message. I am new to Wikipedia as a user. My username is Article75. I am attempting to publish a notable contribution about the topic, "Zemi Slushy Drink". and help people learn about this forgotten product. I though it was available nationwide in the 1970s; however, it seems to only have been offered in Oklahoma.

Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Article75/sandbox and let me know what I should do next. I am a PhD student at the University of North Texas, and this contribution is part of an assignment for a project.

Thank you! 2600:1700:D870:21F0:E9EE:4AA3:758F:593A (talk) 06:02, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey, just wanted to let you know about the policy on logged-out editing. See your talk page. Cheers! Firestar464 (talk) 06:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Please carefully read and digest WP:YFA. But if you don't think you'll find reliable, independent, published information about this product, then please don't proceed any further: if you attempted to create an article without these sources, you'd just be wasting your time (and perhaps others' time too). -- Hoary (talk) 06:34, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Article75. Please log in before editing. Normally, I am quite polite with new editors but you claim to be a PhD student and therefore should be familiar with the rules of the game on Wikipedia. I will be frank and direct. Your draft is utterly unacceptable because it is unreferenced and is nowhere close to meeting Wikipedia's standards. Acceptable Wikipedia articles summarize what published, reliable sources say about the topic, and include references to those reliable sources. No more and no less. Your draft says "A common internet search for this drink proves to be useless. Almost as if the product never existed. " That type of language never belongs in a Wikipedia article. If you cannot find coverage in internet searches, then perhaps paper sources can be found in Oklahoma libraries. But unreferenced assertions are never acceptable in a Wikipedia article. Please read Your first article and Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Grammar

What type of grammar (ie. American or British?) is encouraged in the English version of Wikipedia? Is the use of the Oxford comma encouraged or discouraged? Jheodoretacob (talk) 06:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jheodoretacob the guidance on use of different varieties of English is at WP:ENGVAR. The short version: If the subject is related to a country where a particular variety of English is official or widely used, then write in that variety, for example Sydney Opera House is written in Australian English, British Airways is in British English while Nelson Mandela uses South African English. If the topic has no connection to any particular English variety the first substantial contributor gets to decide which to use. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:53, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jheodoretacob: The use of "Oxford commas" is also up to the first major contributor to decide, and, like the variety of English and date format, should be consistent within an article (see MOS:OXFORDCOMMA). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:22, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

My page has been declined

Hello, Yesterday I created a page, and it was declined as supposedly being a duplicate of another page. My page is certainly not a duplicate, but I would like to explain the situation: it was created as an answer to an assignment (and English language contest), so each contestant would create their own page. I thought this might be a problem, but that was the task given by the organizers. If it's possible, I would like to ask to keep this draft until the end of the year, while the works are being reviewed. Thank you. Timur Strong (talk) 07:31, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Timur Strong, you seem to be talking about Draft:The 75th Anniversary of the Great Victory. This draft has a number of comments. On 8 November, AngusWOOF wrote "Please note: if you are creating drafts of this event for a class, please use your sandbox or the class page". I (or somebody else) would be happy to move it for you. Where would you like it moved? If there's a misunderstanding, perhaps you could invite one of the "organizers" to explain. -- Hoary (talk) 07:41, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Timur Strong. I am sorry, but the answer is no. Wikipedia will not keep a non-compliant article or draft just because it is part of a school assignment. This is a project to build an encyclopedia, not a project to help students with their school assignments. If you can write content that meets Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, then that is fine. Otherwise, no. If you have selected a topic that does not deserve a freestanding article, then please select a more notable topic and go with that. As Hoary points out, the content can be moved to a personal sandbox page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Timur Strong. I moved your page to User:Timur Strong/75th Anniversary of the Great Victory in Russia reverting the submission. If it was for an assignment, it was a mistake to submit it. —teb728 t c 08:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Isn't there a test wiki where pages that are never intended to be part of the live enwiki should be created instead? Is the environment similar enough to enwiki to be suitable for learning how to edit here (if that's the purpose)? It seems like we're getting more of these types of users and pages that are primarily here for school/teacher/student benefit instead of being useful to the encyclopedia. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:31, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: You are thinking about https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page but as it says, it is meant to test editing in a wiki environment (either by yourself or by a bot), not to store actual content. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:22, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

• @Timur Strong: Please point your instructor(s) to Wikipedia:Education_program/Educators. While your own draft was kept (for now), I would not be surprised if others are deleted per the rules against web hosting, if the whole program is not cleared up beforehand. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

For now, I am recommending that students create their own drafts in their sandbox spaces, such as Special:Mypage/The 75th Anniversary of the Great Victory and then let the instructor know the link so they can grade or feedback to them. None of these should be considered real drafts. If the instructor has figured out the Educators section and sets up a class page then that can be used to pool assignments. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Amrita Devi Bishnoi National Award

Anybody interested in reviewing my draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huzaifa abedeen (talk • contribs) 07:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Huzaifa abedeen. You have submitted your draft for review, so a reviewer will get to it in due time. In the meantime, you can keep working on the draft – one thing you will need to do is add footnotes showing which part(s) of the text each reference supports. You have a list of references, but no indication of which of them you have used for which information. Help:Referencing for beginners has more information about what to do. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 08:02, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Can I create page by copying all its content from wikishia website

Can I create page in wikipedia by copying all its content from wikishia website https://en.wikishia.net/view/Main_Page , or its not allowed for copyright. I don't know. Such as this page in wikishia https://en.wikishia.net/view/Al-Sayyid_'Abd_Allah_Shubbar . It not exist in wikipedia. Can I copy it as it and create page in same its name and contents? Amrahlawymasry (talk) 07:11, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Amrahlawymasry! No per WP:COPYPASTE, and see also WP:USERG, in short wikis are almost always not sources that should be used on WP. What you can do is to try to determine if any of the refs in your wikishia article are WP:RS, if so they may be of use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:11, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thanks.Amrahlawymasry (talk) 08:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

who is the mother of Nle choppa daughter

Thatiana campbell (talk) 08:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Thatiana campbell: This page is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia. I'd first suggest you try searching for the answer to your question. You can also try asking at the Reference desk. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:52, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Telekom Srbija

@Robert McClenon: Thank you for your comments at my Draft:Telekom Srbija. Can you help me, what kind of information is an encyclopedia article for wiki? I tried to rewrite article that have only statistic information that can find in independent references. Can you see this draft again and give me advice on these blocks? The section on Corporate Social Responsibility I made a translation from the Serbian version of Wikipedia. What kind of information must be in this section? Couse I soo some articles who have this section but didnt understand where was the problem in text or in references?

Thanks a lot for your help and answer. Marija W Marinkovic (talk) 10:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Marija W Marinkovic. The problem is that none of the references is to sources which are independent of ST and contain significant coverage of it. The ekapija one is the closest to being acceptable, but it does not contain much material about the company, and I don't know whether or not it is actually independent, or based on a press release. The thing to bear in mind is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything which the subject, or the subject's associates, say or want to say about it: that includes in press releases. It is only interested in places where people who have no connection with the subject, and have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to write at length about the subject, and been published in reliable places. Most of your references should be to that kind of source, and nearly the whole article should be based on what that kind of source says.

I notice you say you translated a section from the Serbian Wikipedia: there are two problems with that. One is that anybody may reuse or alter (eg translate) almost anything from any Wikipedia freely, provided they give proper attribution. By translating without giving attribution, you are violating the licence under which the material was released in sr-wiki. (See Translation). Secondly, each eedition of Wikipedia has its own rules and policies, and just because something is acceptable in one edition does not mean that it will automatically be acceptable in another. (In fact, en-wiki has tens or hundreds of thousands of articles which are seriously substandard, and copying material or basing sections on them in a new article will not necessarily produce an acceptable article).

Finally, I see that you have not replied to the questions about whether you are a paid editor. If you are, please make the necessary declarations. If you are not, please say so, and that will avoid further suspicion. --ColinFine (talk) 12:22, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I see that the section on Corporate Social Responsibility, which I said was an advertisement, has been removed, as has other puffery. This is a case that I sometimes see where, when a large amount of non-neutral text is removed, not much is left. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Review of Quality Scale

Hello, please could an editor review the quailty scale preiovusly asigned to the Lagos University Teaching Hospital and advise me on how to move to the next grade? I am completing this as part of a project for university, so improving the quality rating would assist me greatly! Thank you Creatorhj244 (talk) 11:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC) Creatorhj244 (talk) 11:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Creatorhj244. Those quality ratings are the domain of WikiProjects, so the best place to ask is WT:WikiProject Hospitals. --ColinFine (talk) 12:24, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Advice on notability

I have been asked by my client to create a wiki page on her as a person. I am unsure about whether she counts as 'notable'. Her name is Angela Terry and she is an environmental scientist in the UK. She has a website: https://www.angela-terry.com. She is the founder of climate action website One Home: https://onehome.org.uk. She is a media commentator and frequently appears on national radio and TV. She also appears in national and regional media talking about the actions people can take against climate change. One Home is a founding partner of a new international initiative called Count Us In: https://www.count-us-in.org, which aims to inspire 1 billion citizens to take action against climate change. It's a global project organised by TED and Future Stewards that launched in October 2020. I'd appreciate your advice on whether you think Angela would qualify for a Wikipedia entry before I start the article creation process. There are plenty of independent third party articles from news outlets that quote Angela but I'm not clear if this is enough. Please reply in mobile view. Gubbins79 (talk) 12:07, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gubbins79. Wikipedia appreciates you asking about this first instead of just rushing into trying to create an article. Before you go any further, I suggest you carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure and Wikipedia:Notability (people). Then. you might want to ask Ms. Terry to take a look at Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Dealing with articles about yourself and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Law of unintended consequences. Many people misunderstand the role of Wikipedia and see it as another place online where they can promote or otherwise inform others about themselves and their activities; just as many, however, come to understand too late that articles are not written for or on behalf of them, but rather about them and that all article content needs to be in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

• @Gubbins79: The typical way to meet notability guidelines for activists is (like 99% of our biographies) via press articles covering them or their work in significant depth. This excludes interviews (which are not critical coverage) and is (intentionally) a high bar to pass, higher than "frequently invited on TV/radio". From my cursory web search, I doubt Angela Terry passes it - she appears to say a few words here or there as a topic expert but that is it.

There is a special criteria for academics based on the idea that if you are prominent in a niche field, you may be "notable" even if you do not receive mainstream media attention. However, my GoogleScholar-searching is filled with homonyms (the only thing on the first two pages that I am reasonably confident is the same Angela Terry is this) which is a bad sign.

You might want to read, or point your client to, the following essay: Wikipedia:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Citations

I have just published an article headed HANLEY HIGH SCHOOL, STOKE-ON-TRENT. I have used three paper sources from 1970 or prior to that date. One comment I have received points out there are no citations, but I am not sure there are any. The document referred to in the first reference (edited by Howie) was simply printed at the time (i.e.1970) and distributed to pupils at the school. It has never been put on line. Similarly with copies of the school magazine, and obviously the old school log book will probably be in the SoT LEA archives - possibly in the basement guarded by a tiger:) So any suggestions with what I can do with the references would be much appreciated? Gallagher1965p (talk) 14:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC) Gallagher1965p (talk) 14:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Gallagher1965p, You've listed a total of three references in the References section in Hanley High School, Stoke-on-Trent. All these are not independent of the subject, and are cited incompletely as well. This thing is not what is meant in the "maintenance template" added at the top of article which says, This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations. Inline citations is what this article is missing. You need to source each statement with a source which has mentioned the same statement. Please see WP:IC. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 14:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Gallagher1965p, to put it simply: say you claim "In 1902 the ‘higher’ section of the school was renamed the ‘Day Secondary School’." Where did you get that from? Cite the source there. Just click the "Cite" button, go to "Manual," and click either "newspaper" or "magazine," etc. There will be parameters you are required/or suggested to fill in. Fill it. Boom, you have an inline citation. Do that for the rest of the article. GeraldWL 14:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Gallagher1965p: Before you do that, though, you need to find reliable sources that are independent of the school (and students, staff, etc.), with significant coverage (not just passing mentions). That is the kind of source that is needed to demonstrate notability, as well as provide reliable information that can be used to build an encyclopedic article that summarizes what those source say. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

me and my group of friends would like to write on one of our friends that has a briliant record - how we do that? is it possible to others to change/add, how? thank you so mauch!!!

 82.81.71.215 (talk) 14:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, my IP friend, WP:COI and WP:PAID may apply to you. cheerx GeraldWL 15:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. You and your friends are very welcome to join us in creating the world's greatest encyclopaedia; but starting with an article about your friend: not so much. To start with, writing a new article is the most difficult task there is for a new editor: it's like playing a piano concerto in a public concert when you've had just one piano lesson. Secondly, if you write an article for anybody or anything other than for Wikipedia, you're doing it wrong: an article about somebody is not at all for that person's benefit. (Of course, many people do get benefit from there being an article about them; but others are permanently unhappy about it: either way, it's Wikipedia's call, not theirs). If you try to write an article about your friend and it turns out that they do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, so the article is not accepted, think how you will all feel. And if you succeed in getting the article written (which will require you forgetting everything you know about your friend and writing just what is in independent published sources) anybody in the world can then edit it, and all you and your friend can do is ask for particular changes. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 15:13, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

However, it your friend can just barely escape the notability guidelines, conflicts of interests, significant coverage, WP:NOT and WP:FAMOUS, use the Article Wizard. Le Panini ^Talk 15:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Are your friend's achievements/accomplishments so impressive that people are publishing articles about that person? In publications that meet Wikipedia's idea of reliable sources? If not, no justification for an article. David notMD (talk) 16:34, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Characters of Halo

Where is Sierra-118? He was an Easter Egg is the Halo Series, and was one of the only SPARTAN Commandos in the series. He is mentioned very briefly in Halo Wars, Halo Reach and Halo 4. SCP AGENT 1987 (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi SCP AGENT 1987. This type of question—seemingly an involved issue about some granular detail of a specific Wikipedia's article's content—is unlikely to be something that can be acted on here, but should be raised at the talk page of the article, which, in this case, looks like it would be Talk:Halo (franchise) (or possibly another Halo-related article's talk page – I'm too ignorant on this subject to be sure).

I note though that all content in articles, if it is to be added, must be verifiable in reliable sources (usually, best that they be secondary and independent ones), and any talk page post is unlikely to be acted upon unless you actually can and do point out what sources verify a proposed addition. If this character was only "mentioned" and "very briefly", then no mention in the article may be warranted. In that regard, please also be aware that, per our neutral point of view policy, article content should should include [only] "...fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic" (emphasis added). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:54, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

How to insert images?

I tried inserting an image and added the link which i copied from the images available at safari. The system took the command but the picture was not uploaded. So, please tell me the proper manner I would be grateful. Ibaadat (talk) 16:10, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ibaadat: Its not possible for both technicall and legal reasons to insert images from random domains. All images that are supposed to be used must be either uploaded locally or to our sister project Wikimedia Commons. Not all images are accepted. Our sister project only accepts images under certain free licenses. The english Wikipedia accepts an image, if it either could be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, or it satisfys all of the non-free content criteria. After the image has been uploaded, it can be transcluded into an article. The local image policy is at WP:IMAGEPOL. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:55, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

How does edit count work?

As of yesterday, I had, as far as I know, two edits made in my name (Both on Donald Trump's article), but I got a notification saying that I had ten. How does the edit count work? Mrytzkalmyr (talk) 16:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mrytzkalmyr: the software does only count your total amount of edits on enwiki, whenever they might have been. These notifications coming after certain edit counts are called milestones, they appear imo for the 1st, 10th, 100th, 1.000th and 1.000.000 edits. AFAIK you can turn them off somewhere in your preferences. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! Mrytzkalmyr (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mrytzkalmyr:. Hi. You can view exactly what the software was counting at Special:Contributions/Mrytzkalmyr. (In some cases, the number of edits seen in one's contributions page will not include deleted contributions, or certain logged actions, that some edit counters may pick up, but you have none of either.)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Closing of discussions by involved editors

Suppose an editor proposes moving a page, and in the ensuing discussion there are 3 people in favor of the move (including the original proposer) and 1 against. The discussion is mostly stable for several weeks and the arguments of the sole opposing voice are not very good or convincing. Is the move proposer entitled to then close the discussion and move the page? WP:CLD technically allows for involved editors to close uncontroversial discussions but does not quite clarify the extent to which this is permitted. I'm aware that requests for closure can be submitted at WP:RFCLOSE, but it takes an unbelievably long time for someone to respond in most cases. Avis11 (talk) 16:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Avis11. In this case there are more direct guideline on the issue than the general WP:CLD – under which such a close is definitively improper. Please see Wikipedia:Requested moves#Closing a requested move ("Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request" (emphasis added), and Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Who can close requested moves ("An involved editor, admin or otherwise, may not close a move request..." etc. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:03, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I see, thanks. When WP:RFCLOSE says "The default length of a formal request for comment is 30 days", does it simply mean that others will usually wait 30 days before assessing a closing request? More than two weeks ago I submitted there a request to close a 22-day-old (as of now) discussion, and to this moment nobody has responded. A few other requests seem to have been responded to in a very short time, however. Avis11 (talk) 17:14, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Avis11: Yes, 30 days is the normal minimum for formal RfCs. However, requests are closed early, usually explicitly or not, under the snowball clause. Because of the volunteer nature of Wikipedia, once 30 days have elapsed, the close can happen immediately, but it can take significantly longer and the usual advice is that you "just need to be patient". Of course, on average, the sheer length of discussion and high degree of complexity, controversiality and tendentiousness will all result in longer waits for closure than will the average for closure of more straightforward discussions – which is essentially the reason Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure exists – where most of the discussions listed there are already subject to closure under the normal processes of the project area they are attached to.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:17, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Fuhghettaboutit for the replies. Avis11 (talk) 22:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi from DaniHart

Just wanted to say, keep up the great work everybody! Love you all so much :) DaniHart08 (Talk). 16:59, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, DaniHart08. Any time you need editing help (or just a cup of tea) do drop in and ask. Just be aware we don't use this forum as a general place to chat or make announcements. Take care. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:02, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. I am trying to edit more but I have so much school work (It really sucks) And I only have chances to get on here once and a while.

DaniHart08 (Talk). 17:06, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Style assistance matter

Hello Teahouse hosts. The matter of sherd or shard has been brought up regarding the New Albion article--it is a WP:GA. On November 15, I reverted a November 14 edit, the type I think of as a drive by edit, one in which someone not invested in an article sees an item which displeases them and makes an unconsidered edit. This red link editor changed one instance of the word shard to sherd and left all other instances of shards as they were originally used. I reverted the edit and fortunately, no edit war has ensued. He did, however, explain why the change in the editing summary. I explained my thoughts HERE.

I have found no consensus anywhere about the use of sherd or shard, even on a Wikipedia discussion (which I am unable to re-locate so please excuse my lack of providing a link for your view convenience). Clearly sherd is preferred by archaeologists but this is not a clear rule of style. Even the Merriam Webster Dictionary is not entirely clear: read the definition and scroll down to the examples HERE and you will see an excerpt from The Smithsonian discussing ancient Greek pottery fragments as shards.

I use shards through the New Albion article to maintain consistency with the Los Angeles Times reference and the Point Reyes National Seashore museum usage, and I still believe this is correct. I wonder, however, if a footnote about the matter might be useful. An example of this type of explanation, which is used on a scholarly website, may be viewed HERE and may provide a model. I believe grammatist.com (you may see their site HERE) is a reliable source, even they note that that the words can be confusing and speak of their usage in terms of usually.

So, how do you suggest I proceed? Do I make such a footnote, leave matters as they are, change to sherd and ignore consistency, or make some other edit? Should I request a Rfc or seek a WP:THIRD?

Also know that when I write this, there has been no response to the New Albion talk page. Additionally, I am working diligently to keep this article from being hacked as it took much effort to achieve good article recognition, so I really wish for this to be addressed in a very accurate matter. I am considering another large editing effort for myself, and it may be to make this a WP:FA, so this would be a step toward that effort.

I look forward to hearing from you and kind regards to all.Hu Nhu (talk) 17:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 17:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Hu Nhu it seems from Talk:Sherd that the "sherd" spelling is more common in archaeological literature. It does not appear to be an WP:ENGVAR difference. Perhaps WP:WikiProject Archaeology might have some guidance. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Hu Nhu. The footnote idea is similar in principal to the method suggested at MOS:JARGON, although writing 'one level down' is also a consideration. Regards, Zindor (talk) 23:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Technical problem with timeline

I've been struggling with a strange problem with the timeline in Yes (band)#Timeline. You can see the broken version in the Band members/Timeline section here: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Yes_(band)&oldid=988248258. I've fiddled around with it and it seems that small and seemingly irrelevant changes flip it between working and broken. For example, if the date of the last album is set to any date between July 1, 2014 and July 20, 2014, it works EXCEPT for the four specific dates 7/8, 7/13, 7/16 and 7/17. Using one of those "bad" dates, if the ImageSize width is set to 1001 instead of 1000, it works. If the name of the line color is changed from "studio" to "studioalbum", it works. This is all very baffling to me. So two questions: can anyone explain this behavior? And if not, where would be an appropriate place to raise this question where someone technically knowledgable about the timeline extension would see it? CodeTalker (talk) 18:10, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Personal research

I did my own research on a topic in order to get information. How can I cite or prove that this information is true since I technically don't have a source to cite or reference? (This research was on a video game that I play and did my research by playing the actual game) JPaul Getty ptoductions (talk) 18:22, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@JPaul Getty ptoductions: I'm afraid your own research will serve yourself only. Wikipedia can't benefit from it – see the relevant policy at Wikipedia:No original research. --CiaPan (talk) 18:26, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! I was having trouble figuring out if I could do that. I also have a follow-up question about citing sources that may not be totally reliable, but are all that I can find that cover the topic and information about the topic that I'm researching. This is mainly about websites like Fandom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JPaul Getty ptoductions (talk • contribs) 18:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, JPaul Getty ptoductions. I'm afraid that if you cannot find reliable sources, then by definition the subject is not notable in Wikipedia's meaning of the words, and no article on it will be accepted. Non-independent sources can be cited for a limited range of kinds of material (though they cannot contribute to notability) but self-published sources can hardly ever be cited. --ColinFine (talk) 21:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Idea for a Wikipedia feature

Hello, I think it'd be really neat if, when hovering over a link that redirects to a Wiktionary entry, a pop up is displayed that defines the hovered-over word. This would look and function very similarly to how hovering over Wikipedia links works.

Where can I see if this idea has already been had and/or defined and/or rejected? Where can I see if there are any efforts to create this? How can I learn more about creating/programming this feature for Wikipedia? Brytonsf (talk) 18:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

IMO this has not yet been implemented. Its also kind of hard because of the cross-site-scripting stuff. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:31, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Brytonsf. I think, like Victor, that this would be difficult. But Wikipedia (and other Wikimedia projects) need volunteer programmers as well as editors. The place to start is VPT. --ColinFine (talk) 21:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I need help regarding possible vandalism!

Hello Teahouse, I need help for this page: Johan Staël von Holstein

It seems like people are reverting genuine content backed up by good sources with content backed up by YouTube videos of an unofficial channel.

>>>ICT Group, CEO Staël von Holstein is the CEO of ICT group, the parent company of Crowd1, where he worked as a consultant.[15][16] Crowd1 is a multi-level marketing company that aims, ostensibly, to develop an online entertainment industry.[17]<<< This paragraph is sourced by good references.

The reference #15 - “Och Johan Staël von Holstein, en gång i tiden grundare av Icon Medielab, mannen som blev portalfigur för Sveriges snabba internetutveckling, ska ha varit VD för koncernen som sägs vara moderbolag till Crowd1.” This translates to "And Johan Staël von Holstein, once the founder of Icon Medielab, the man who became a portal figure for Sweden's rapid internet development, is said to have been the CEO for the group, which is said to be the parent company of hasta Crowd1".

>>>Crowd1, CEO Staël von Holstein was CEO of this company in 2019.[15][16][17] Crowd1 is a multi-level marketing company that aims, ostensibly, to develop an online entertainment industry. The company is based in Spain where it trades as Impact Crowd Technology S.L.[18]<<< This is poorly sourced. Unofficial YouTube channel is used with misleading titles, in the entire video, there's not a single sentence which states him the CEO of Crowd1.

Also, when the page is about the subject, then why the company's history is discussed in details, shouldn't it have its own page? Ablasaur (talk) 19:26, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ablasaur: YouTube is not considered a reliable source. See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#YouTube. If the information is not available in any other source, then it may be removed. You should discuss this on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 20:00, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ablasaur: No sign of vandalism, and this is not the place to discuss content issues about a specific article. I will comment on the article talk page. --bonadea contributions talk 20:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Just to expand on RR's comment slightly, YouTube has reliablity equal to the creating source for content that is published by a verified/official account of that creator. E.g., a video posted by CBSNewsOnline has the same reliability as if it were coming from cbsnews.com – the only difference is the distribution channel. An unofficial YouTube channel is unreliable, just as are other self-published sources. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:06, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Newspaper references pre-1985

I am writing a Wikipedia entry about a movie I made in 1983 called "Music in Monk Time". I want to quote movie reviews from the Los Angeles Times and other newspapers, but the articles are only available through a paid website, newspapers.com. I can cite the date and page in the newspapers, but I believe any link I create will require the viewer to subscribe to the archival service. Thedevoutcatalyst (talk) 20:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Thedevoutcatalyst: Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for citing your sources. Cite the newspaper as you normally would. It is not a problem that the source is behind a paywall, see WP:PAYWALL. Also, with old newspapers, if someone has all the info from the cite, they can look up the paper another way, such as from a library's archives. RudolfRed (talk) 20:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Aye. We allow cites to dead-tree sources as long as enough information is available to look things up in an archive. (For newspapers this is, at minimum: Paper name, paper edition (i.e. 1 Jan 1923), article title, article byline, and the page(s) the article is on.) See Template:Cite news. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 21:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Thedevoutcatalyst: Additionally, if you have access to newspapers.com, you can "clip" the articles on their site to get a publicly-shareable link that will be readable without a subscription. If you don't have access, and it's a reasonable number of clippings, give me the details (date, page, title) at User talk:AlanM1 and I can clip them for you. I assume this is for the draft in your sandbox? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Why am i not allowed to publish by an editor

I tried to edit and publish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kachari_people&redirect=no , which redirect to a related page but for different purpose. My edits are verifiable and well known in society. KPAhmed (talk) 21:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@KPAhmed: You're better off adding your info to Bodo-Kachari people#Kachari, which is where Kachari redirects now. Just make sure it's properly written and sourced, but not to another encyclopedia. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:04, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Writing a Wikipedia article for a relative

At the end of last week, I was creating a wikipedia page for a relative. Over the weekend, this page was deleted because it used "copyrighted material" from her personal website. Would it be possible to restore this page? I'm more than willing to rewrite the copyrighted material. I want to keep the work I did creating her info-box on the right-hand side. AysarGha (talk) 22:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@AysarGha: If you go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion and enter "Draft:Cleotilde Gonzalez" (without quotes) into the box, and create an entry and explain that you just want the infobox, an administrator should be able to help you. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Linking a PDF for a magazine as a source

Magazine PDF as sources User:ResolutionsPerMinute has argued that using a PDF of a magazine such as Billboard would constitute a reliable source, while User:Gen. Quon argues that this would violate WP:COPYVIO. Would this violate WP:COPYVIO or is it considered reliable? 2603:8081:160A:BE2A:BC32:2EC5:83C5:B878 (talk) 22:41, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi I.P, welcome to the Teahouse. The problem it seems is that worldradiohistory.com might be hosting/publishing the content without the permission of Billboard Magazine. Providing links to such illegally published content is a copyright violation in itself.

While the copyvio situation could be avoided by not linking the pdf, a question would remain about the integrity of the information in the pdf. Is it a true copy of the magazine page or has it been doctored or altered? Chances are low that it's been messed with, but the reliability/trustability of worldradiohistory.com is now a factor here. Zindor (talk) 23:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi person editing from ...B878. The copyright violation would come from copying and pasting too long (unattributed) excerpts (or too-closely paraphrased) in the article from the PDF source, such that they would not meet the doctrine of minimal use for fair use purposes. Linking to a PDF that is being used as a citation that verifies information content, so that the PDF can be accessed and downloaded is in no way a copyright violation or copyright issue—so long as that source is not itself a copyright violation (for example if you link to a BBC news story at YouTube, from BBC's official YouTube account – no problem; if you link to that video being illegally posted to YouTube by some random YouTube user named RandomInfringingYouTubeUser, then that's a problem. See WP:LINKVIO and WP:ELNEVER. When that is the case, find the original source of the PDF (even if paper only), and provide a well-attributed citation to that original. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

It seems that it is an archival website. I believe some of them are in public domain. Is there a list where we can add this site if it is reliable/unreliable?2603:8081:160A:BE2A:BDFF:CB2C:E914:D727 (talk) 23:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

It seems the rub issue here is not reliability but whether the use is a copyright problem. If you can determine the public domain status of the original, then a post to the talk page, directed at the copyright issue would seem in order.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

Agreed, copyright is the issue at hand. IP just ignore my musings about reliability, i'd litigate water out of a stone if given half a chance. Zindor (talk) 00:25, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Copy Edits

When to mark articles are no longer needing copy edits or categorization After I improve articles within All_articles_needing_copy_edit or Category:All uncategorized pages, when does it get removed from those lists subsequently? Should I be the one doing that, and if so, how do I know objectively and it's of the right standard? WikiVillager (talk) 22:52, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi WikiVillager. Have you clicked on the link in the maintenance templates posted to the various pages needing cleanup (it's the templates, almost always, that places the pages in those cleanup categories), that says "(Learn how and when to remove these template messages)"? That message is a link to a page I wrote, Help:Maintenance template removal, that is focused on this issue and I hope will answer your question in detail. If after visiting there, you still have any questions, please do follow-up here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:27, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Fuhghettaboutit I never noticed that page link before in the copy edit template. Good job. I'm not sure it's clear from that page though that adding templates automatically adds their articles to categories such as Category:All articles needing copy edit, and removing the template removes the article from the category, which was part of the question above. Maybe that info could be added? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Greetings

Hi Kkjfnsdjofneofnoesnfsoe (talk) 00:40, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Kkjfnsdjofneofnoesnfsoe, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Zindor (talk) 00:46, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Yukon Jack (liqueur)

I've been working on this article for a university project, I would like to know if my article is still rated as a stub class, or if it could be changed?

11Bush (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Querry how to publish

my article is in sandbox. How do i publish it? Can i get it proofchecked before submitting ? as i am trying to publish for 1st time? Prachi.chopade (talk) 00:55, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

New Article

How do I get my article published? it is in sandbox and I have it ready I just do not know how to request it to be published. Toak2004 (talk) 00:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Toak2004 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I assume that you are attempting to write about yourself; that is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a subject, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. What you have written is essentially a resume. We need sources that go beyond profiles and announcements of routine business transactions. If you truly meet Wikipedia's definition of notability, someone will eventually take note of you in independent reliable sources and choose to write about you. Also be aware that a Wikipedia article about you is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 01:05, 17 November 2020 (UTC)