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Neutrality of "occupied territory" section

This sentence, "An example of an occupied territory is Palestine after the Nakba of 1948 ..." does not meet Wikipedia's standard of neutrality. The UN does not consider Israeli territory pre-1967 to be an occupation. The use of "nakba" to refer to the 1948 Arab-Israeli war may indicate that the author advocates a partisan narrative. I will edit this sentence to replace this example with a less controversial one. Jprg1966 (talk) 06:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Territory (subdivision). Also created redirect to there from Territory (political subdivision). CsDix (talk) 19:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Territory (country subdivision) → Territory (political subdivision) – A territory is not necessarily a country subdivision, for example an occupied territory is sometimes a full fledged country that just happens to be occupied at the time (e.g. Japan). Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 21:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That would work as well. Zarcadia (talk) 16:45, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Proposed merges

I propose to merge the short Capital territory and Overseas territory articles here, as they are all aspects of the general proposition. bd2412 T 02:23, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I suggest you go ahead. Apuldram (talk) 15:29, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I have added a proposal to merge Territory (subdivision) here also. It is another short and long-undeveloped article, and I really can't see any point of distinction between these articles. bd2412 T 15:49, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Theory of

I removed the following from the page because it is really a separate topic:

Theory of Territory was formerly regarded as the natural jurisdiction of a political unit. Over the past three decades this position has been widely revised in social scientific theory. Robert Sack conceptualised human territoriality as a powerful political strategy and theorised political territory as one such instance of this type of strategy.[1] In the field of International Relations, John Ruggie argued that territoriality was the organizing principle for modern international politics and could be contrasted with medieval heteronomous orders.[2] Following Ruggie, a number of works have sought to explain how territory became the dominant principle of European international relations and/or question his broadly Westphalian chronology of the modern territorial order.[3] Stuart Elden's work on the 'Birth of Territory' is the latest example of an attempt to critically interrogate the historical foundations of 'territory' as a distinctly modern idea[4]

However, this is good material that should be preserved somewhere in Wikipedia where it is relevant. bd2412 T 14:36, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Sack, Robert David. Human territoriality: its theory and history. Vol. 7. CUP Archive, 1986.
  2. ^ Ruggie, John Gerard. "Territoriality and beyond: problematizing modernity in international relations." International organization 47.01 (1993): 139-174.
  3. ^ Spruyt, Hendrik. The sovereign state and its competitors: an analysis of systems change. Princeton University Press, 1996.Teschke, Benno. The myth of 1648: class, geopolitics, and the making of modern international relations. Verso, 2003.Vigneswaran, Darshan. Territory, migration and the evolution of the international system. Palgrave Macmillan, 2013.
  4. ^ Elden, Stuart. The birth of territory. University of Chicago Press, 2013.

Dubious

Dependent territories may include Federal Dependencies of Venezuela, Carriacou and Petite Martinique, Prince Edward Islands, and Plazas de soberanía. The definition of dependent territory given in the article is not in the source provided. DrKay (talk) 14:22, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What you said is very wrong. Dependent territories (aka external territories) are political entities which are not integral parts of their parent states. They are similar to sovereign states except their defence and foreign affairs are controlled by their parent states. In the case of the Cook Islands and Niue, they have full treaty-making capacity within the UN System, defence is the only aspect they are still dependent on their parent state. Territories like the Federal Dependencies of Venezuela, Carriacou and Petite Martinique, the Prince Edward Islands, and Plazas de soberanía etc. are domestic territories (aka internal territories). They are governed just like any other general subnational administrative divisions, such as states, provinces, and autonomous regions etc. 120.16.220.60 (talk) 15:23, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BOTs

Which source says there are 13 British overseas territories? DrKay (talk) 14:51, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All eight Antarctic claims made by seven different sovereign states haven been frozen by the Antarctic Treaty. The original signatories of this Treaty include all seven claimant states. When WP:NPOV is applied, all these territories shall be described as territorial claims rather than actual territories. Hence, there are 13 BOTs. The article Dependent territory has clearly set an example for this. 120.16.220.60 (talk) 15:37, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So, no source then? DrKay (talk) 15:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You can ask for sources to be inserted after every sentence written by someone in Wikipedia, but you shouldn't ignore the consistency in information compiled by the community across various articles. Most of the time, you can do a bit of research yourself instead of just asking for sources. In most cases, this consistency has been kept for a reason. 120.16.220.60 (talk) 16:12, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It says 14 elsewhere on wikipedia[1][2][3]. DrKay (talk) 15:58, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but these are British articles. A proper way is to insert some notes in these articles saying the British Antactic claim has not been universally recognised by the international community. For other articles, especially those articles concerning global issues and/or containing international stats, WP:NPOV must be applied. 120.16.220.60 (talk) 16:12, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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