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Edit links for sysops

John M Wolfson, a suggestion on top of your edit: replace plain URLs https... with {{fullurl:pagename|action=edit}}. See source of Template:Edit. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Also, the added   could go inside the <span>...</span>. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:30, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I put the NSBPs in the span, but I'm not so sure about the magic word, especially in urls that are date-dependent (TFA, OTD, and POTD), although another sysop is welcome to try it. I'd also personally prefer the links to go on the right side of the header (opposite the title), but don't have the CSS skills to make that happen, unfortunately. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Can we please stop putting untested code on the main page? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

John M Wolfson, here's sandbox with links on the right, and better edit link for POTD—right now [edit] link for POTD links to Template:Pic of the day, which isn't used on the Main Page: Special:Diff/987903491/987913789. —⁠andrybak (talk) 23:57, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

John M Wolfson, the edit link for POTD is still not right after your last edit. The Main Page uses subpages of Template:POTD protected, like Template:POTD protected/2024-12-23. —⁠andrybak (talk) 01:51, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

So after my polite request above John M Wolfson made two further untested changes to the main page. Could I make the request a bit stronger then and ask that you do NOT edit the main page in future unless the change is fully tested and supported by consensus? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:18, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Why were these added with neither testing nor a consensus discussion? I have reverted pending a really good reason these are suggested to be necessary (because I don't see it). It causes FOUCs even for people who aren't admins, never mind MSGJ's comment above. --Izno (talk) 08:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Looks cool, I guess, but note that I've never been involved with any main-page operations. Maybe if an admin notices that a compromised admin account vandalized one of the sections? But that seems like a pretty unlikely case. The only other use case I can think of is being curious about what code is used to create a particular section, in which case these links would save some digging through the Main Page stuff.

Maybe something more useful would be a {{navbar}}-style small and unobtrusive v · t · e set of links for each section (with appropriate talk page links), for admins? (Or even template editors?) Enterprisey (talk!) 08:44, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I created the links for the ease of ERRORS-centric admins such as myself who are unfamiliar with how to get to the transcluded templates of such niche topics as POTD and OTD, and prior to getting the mop I assumed they already existed. ~~I don't know what "FOUC"s are,~~ I did not myself experience FOUCs (and consider that an easily fixable issue), but while they were up they passed my basic tests of being unseeable when logged out and not causing major issues on a mobile device. Enterprisey's idea of VTE links seems workable, and I'm open to further tweaks in the sandbox, but other than the fairly weak argument of aiding a compromised account I see no reason why these links shouldn't exist and some reason why they should. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 09:01, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

The links on the headings at Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors are quite useful to get you to where you need to be. I also saw these FOUCs yesterday (and I have learned a new acronym!) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Is there any real benefit to having admins unfamiliar with how to get to the transcluded templates find an easy link on the MP? I kind of think there are more downsides than upsides. Even typo fixes are best at least mentioned at ERRORS, and the links are right there. —valereee (talk) 13:15, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, for someone working at errors I imagine the links at errors would be sufficient, perhaps those are not discoverable as links of interest somehow? --Izno (talk) 13:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

We have Wikipedia:Main Page/sandbox for a reason. If you want to try out some non-trivial new code, do it there, get it tested, and gain consensus on this talk page before introducing the code into the live Main Page. Modest Genius ^talk 12:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I dispute Martin's description of my further edits as "untested", as they were cosmetic/link changes from the initial edit. (I also did test the initial edit in Preview, but can concede such was inadequate.) As a gesture of goodwill and deference I will, however, not make any changes to the Main Page until consensus in this discussion is obtained, as these changes were more controversial than I initially thought. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:44, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Nice work

Very interesting main page today in just about every section, clicked through to a lot more articles than I normally do. Kudos to all involved. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 07:28, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Languages

In section „Wikipedia Languages“ Georgian Wikipedia is missing--ჯეო4WIKI (talk) 20:02, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Two below "Italiano". Bazza (talk) 20:03, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

ჯეო, please start a discussion over at Template talk:Wikipedia languages. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

@Bazza 7: I mean template at the end of Main Page--ჯეო4WIKI (talk) 20:52, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

"Halaman Utama" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Halaman Utama. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 16#Halaman Utama until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:19, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Note: the redirect has now been speedily deleted. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 19:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

"Draft:Main Page" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Draft:Main Page. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 18#Draft:Main Page until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 18:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Featured article not protected

The featured article isn't page protected. I undid some vandalism and did a rpp. Desertarun (talk) 11:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@Desertarun: it's not supposed to be protected - this is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit! Thanks for reverting the vandalism. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:34, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Record DYK?

Is 19 bold links in a single hook a record? — O Still Small Voice of Clam 11:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Wow! Yes it must surely be a record. Well done to everyone who got all those articles up to scratch — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:49, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid not @Voice of Clam:. The record is 54 according to the DYK Hall of Fame. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

That'll taking some beating... — O Still Small Voice of Clam 12:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

November 26th POTD was... just a huge mistake.

Template:POTD_protected/2020-11-26, split into Template:POTD_protected/2020-11-26/1 and Template:POTD_protected/2020-11-26/2

Amongst other things:

I was never asked about combining these into one nomination. They aren't a natural set, and are two seperate nominations. Hence, neither has gotten the full day they deserve by right.
The nominations weren't even in the same year: Duprez's image was in August 2015 and Alizard's in April 2016.
THE PAGES HAVE A MASSIVE ERROR: Adolphe-Joseph-Louis Alizard is described next to the image of Gilbert Duprez, and vice-versa. So their time on the main page served to miseducate people.

As such, I'd ask that this POTD be set aside, and the images rescheduled for about a year from now, as seperate POTDs. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 09:18, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a fair point. I think the multi-set thing should probably be just for items which are visually very similar, and obviously linked, like members of a coin or note set from the same issue. During my time as coordinator, I scheduled several different views of Bath Abbey together, which is something I probably shouldn't have done, as each could stand in its own. I'm neutral on whether to run them again, but if we do, let's space them out significantly so that readers don't feel like their getting deja vu. — Amakuru (talk) 09:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
- If it wasn't for the error, I'd probably let it go, but with the error... But, aye, at least a year before they reappear. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 10:10, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  Fair enough, and yes it's a shame we didn't spot the error at the time. I'd say at least a year until the first, and then at least another year until the second... That's not so long in Wikipedia time! — Amakuru (talk) 10:45, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
@Adam Cuerden: Could you please explain what you mean by the "MASSIVE ERROR"? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:27, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

The descriptions are correct - maybe you thought the "See also" was a caption? P-K3 (talk) 16:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Rechecking, I guess it's kind of right, but confusing as it describes the person not pictured as well immediately after, and then gives a plot summary that minimises Roger's role, despite being ostensibly about him in one case, and kind of summarises the last three acts of the opera as "they then all go to Jerusalem", it's kind of easy to miss when playing "spot the difference". Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 22:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Redesign of the "Wikipedia languages" box

Hello all! A few of us have redesigned the "Wikipedia languages" box that appears at the bottom of the main page. The main change is improving the visual hierarchy, but we've also removed some duplicated or misplaced information. You can see the changes by comparing current to proposed. An admin has requested that we ensure there is consensus before implementing, so you are invited to leave any comments at Template talk:Wikipedia languages § Redesign (please do so there, not here, to avoid a WP:TALKFORK). Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:29, 29 November 2020 (UTC)Template:Z48