Talk:Destiny (streamer)

Start over

Much of this article has to go; there's too much gossip. It's very poorly sourced. I recommend a rewrite using these sources: [1] [2] [3]. I believe these make him pass WP:GNG and don't fall under WP:BLP1E. wumbolo ^^^ 21:09, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Which parts are too gossipy? Triggeredbytriggered (talk) 06:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 16:51, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikibox Photo

The current photo, along with several previous ones all appear to be copyrighted material being uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons by Orbwok. Other than this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Destiny_hangout_2019.jpg photo, is there anything else we can restore it to that doesn't look as poor quality? ~ AlbertOfPrussia ^talk 21:13, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Update: I sent an email to Steven Bonnell II and asked if he would be able to upload an image under a Creative Commons license to Wikimedia which he has done here. I have since added it to the wikibox photo as the current photo is likely to be deleted imminently as it was uploaded without the consent of the author. ~ AlbertOfPrussia ^talk 00:51, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

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Gene Pool

Minor note but I don't think Jontron expressed concerns about Mexicans entering the "genepool." He mentioned it in the context of assimilation, as a "positive" thing for lack of a better adjective. He did make a weird statement that went something like: "Then why are the crime rates for blacks similar across Africa as well?" and when he was asked why he thought black people commit more crime in the US he didn't want to answer and said something like "Now you're trying to get me" and "I don't want to get into it because it's a raunchy topic". I think mentioning that is more important than mentioning the gene pool comment. Is this what the talk page is for? I always feel weird creating new sections on talk pages. Dapperedavid (talk) 17:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

I think it is better to include the gene pool comment as it shows the kinds of ideas he was arguing much more succinctly. While I personally would agree it's true that the Africa comment basically proves without a doubt that he's racist or at least that the ideas he was arguing have racist foundations and conclusions, it's takes several logical steps to get to that point, and I don't think it really makes sense to go into that much detail. The article would have to say something like "He drew comparisons between the crime rates in Africa and those of black people in the US. Given the fact that the only connection between these two groups is their race, he must have been arguing that race determines disposition to crime." It wouldn't really fit IMO. Also yes, you are using the talk page correctly. Finnigami (talk) 05:09, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

removal of content

I've removed unsourced and self-sourced content. Please do not re-add without including a reliable independent source; instead, start a discussion here. —valereee (talk) 13:33, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Valereee. I believe you may have removed some content in error. A WP:SELFSOURCE can be used for uncontroversial personal information. For example, you removed information about Bonell's first streaming job at Justin.tv which cited his blog. You also removed information about his early career which cited his YouTube video.

When you have a moment, please restore any content that was removed but was properly cited to a self-source. As a reminder, here are the criteria for when self-sources may be used:

1. The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim.
2. It does not involve claims about third parties (such as people, organizations, or other entities).
3. It does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject.
4. There is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity.
5. The article is not based primarily on such sources.

– Anne drew 14:27, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Anne drew Andrew and Drew, if no one has ever mentioned that he started at Justin.tv but him, then the information probably isn't important to understanding the subject. If he's the only one talking about it, we shouldn't be including it. If literally no reliable source thinks it's worth mentioning, it probably isn't. The article was primarily content sourced to links to his own videos. —valereee (talk) 14:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you really believe information about a twitch streamer's early streaming career is unimportant? I disagree with that.

If literally no reliable source thinks it's worth mentioning, it probably isn't.

If that was an actual an Wikipedia policy and not just your personal opinion, self sources wouldn't be allowed at all. Self sources are permitted because sometimes there is important information that isn't mentioned by third-party sources. – Anne drew 20:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't have an objection to adding back the first streaming job, as that falls in the same place as dob, place of birth, education details. But "any content that was removed but was properly cited to a self-source" -- we'd have to go through each item, I think. —valereee (talk) 13:50, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and restored some of the content that was verified with self-sources. I restored and updated the Twitch follower and view stats as well. Please take a moment to review my changes and let me know if you have any concerns. – Anne drew 16:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I had removed the liquipedia source because I couldn't find where it said he came in fourth? We definitely cannot source 'he's been credited with turning people blah blah' to his blog, and other source for that is a broken link? Twitch follower and view stats at minimum need a source, and preferably some sort of context to show whether those stats are even meaningful, like his social blade ranking. —valereee (talk) 17:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

*Are we sure this guy's even notable? I'm not seeing anything in the sources that would represent significant coverage, more just mentions? Has he been profiled anywhere? —valereee (talk) 14:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC) Wired source does it. —valereee (talk) 20:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Extreme bias in section talking about “mowing down” protestors

It reads as if Bonnell actively called for violence against protestors, when that absolutely was not the case. This reads as being written by someone who dislikes Bonnell and wants to take a quote out of context to make him look bad. Georgariou (talk) 23:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I have removed the section, as it was also added without a source. Anything added to the page should have a source and be relevant to the section it is being added to. (Bonnell has people who do not like him all over the Internet — this page is very vulnerable to vandalism) Georgariou (talk) 23:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I've tried to make this section more accurate, an added an additional source which includes the clip itself. Finnigami (talk) 05:32, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Agree. Also even the source doesn't say "BLM protesters". Gannicus123 (talk) 13:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

December 26 2020 Rewrite

This page was solidly sourced and mostly factually accurate, but horrendously written and full of information that does not meet Wikipedia's basic notability guidelines. I've done a complete re-write of the entire page to make it properly readable, and I've also removed all material that has not received significant coverage and all references to persons who have not received significant coverage, while adding material that has. I also read through and double-checked all the sources to ensure this article is properly referenced, plus I ensured the article obeys the neutrality standards of an encyclopedia. As for the Kyle Rittenhouse comments, I've included a (nearly) complete quotation because each source that mentions the incident does, and I believe it is necessary context. In addition, any attempt to summarize his statements so far seems to sound biased in favor of or against Bonnell, so I believe including the remarks as well as Twitch's stated reasons for termination will suffice. Leopard of the Snows (talk) 23:54, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

This new rewrite looks great. I would also mention in the political views section that Bonnell has self-identified as a social Democrat, and that in terms of American politics he would consider himself far-left (as opposed to online politics). When introducing himself to a new group, he describes him as “a social democrat if you ask people on the right, a neoliberal if you ask people on the left. Yeah, I live somewhere in there. Pretty far left in terms of social and economic issues”. At 1:57:53 in the same video, he addresses people who don’t consider him left-leaning, saying he completely disagrees and that it’s “stupid” to think he isn’t far left in American politics. This is just one of many videos of him describing as far left in American politics, and defending those viewpoints, while still being pro-capitalism. I think focusing on the single quote where it seems to imply he pretends to be farther left than he is is not representative of his political views. Georgariou (talk) 02:29, 27 December 2020 (UTC)