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I found 7 sources for an addition I made. Someone keeps deleting them, and my addition.

I edited the Santa Baby article to add a couple of sentences about the Michael Buble version. I found 7 sources, and added 3 more today, for a total of 10. Someone else keeps removing it. I don't know what to do. Please help. Benicio2020 (talk) 16:36, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Benicio2020, Please read WP:REFBOMB. If the Buble version made numerous "worst" lists, just use 2 or 3 examples, please. We don't want to belabor this version of the song in the article, as that will be WP:UNDUE emphasis, as well as recentism.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:32, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I understand. However, the person that removed ALL of my additions kept changing his story - first my additions weren't neutral, then the references were bad, etc. Also, it's not recent - the references were from various years. Not just this year. Benicio2020 (talk) 00:37, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

I also want to add that I just looked at the article again. The user took out Sydney Morning Herald and the Houston Chronicle as not being reliable sources. Since when are legitimate newspapers considered not reliable? Benicio2020 (talk) 00:43, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

The Sydney Morning Herald source was removed as a mistake and I have since added it back. I never removed all of your additions. Also, you never used The Houston Chronicle in the article to begin with. I reverted your edits because you added a large number of unreliable sources to back a claim saying that a song was hated by critics. To me, this screamed of a neutrality problem. I kept the sources you added that were reliable, and removed the ones that weren't. Carbrera (talk) 01:03, 25 December 2020 (UTC).

@Benicio2020: Disagreements such as this are typically best resolved by following WP:DR and discussing things on the article's talk page. Wikipedia wants us to be WP:BOLD, but sometimes others might not agree with our boldness and thus may revert (either partially or completely) or otherwise try and improve upon that edit. When that happens, except when it's obviously a case of WP:VANDAL, it's generally best to follow WP:BRD (not WP:BRDD) and try and resolve things through discussion on the article's talk page. So, that's probably what you should do now so that you can clarify why the changes you made are in accordance with Wikipedia policies and guidelines and see if there's a WP:CONSENSUS to make them. Keep in mind WP:UNDUE because that seems to be relevant to the content you added. In addition, please try to remember that WP:ONUS is upon the person wanting to add content to an article to establish a consensus to do so. Most Wikipedia editors are WP:HERE; so, if your reasons for wanting to add this content are strongly based on relevant policies and guidelines, you'll find that others are more likely going to agree with you than not. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:11, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

So why didn't Carbrera "discuss" "on the article's talk page", which you said is the preferred way "resolve things through discussion"? he just reversed my edits, multiple times. I'm having a hard time understanding why he's treating me like I'm the bad guy, when according to everything you've said, he's been doing the exact same thing I have except worse, because at least I added information to the article (with sources!) and he's just deleting it. Benicio2020 (talk) 14:17, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

​When an editor is bold in making an edit and another editor reverts them because they didn’t think it was an improvement, the next step in WP:BRD is generally for the editor wanting to make the change to discuss things with the other editor and try to figure why; in other words, the WP:ONUS is on the editor wanting to add the content to seek consensus when others are in disagreement. In fairness to you, Carbrera didn’t leave much of an edit summary when they reverted you the first time; it would’ve been much better had they did because it might’ve helped to stop what followed. FWIW, quite a number of editors might have done exactly what you did and reverted the revert and restored the material once again; however, once it was removed a second time, it would’ve been best to slow down and try and resolve things through discussion. There were things that both you and Carbrera probably could’ve done better here. It might have been better for Carbrera to follow up their second revert of the content with a article talk page post explaining why, but hindsight is 20/20. Nobody wins an edit war so at some point somebody needs to be the one to start discussing things because that’s the way things typically get resolved on Wikipedia. When the editing of an article gets a bit heated, there’s a tendency for edit warring to happen and the best way to try and avoid that is to try and remain WP:COOL. You both seem to want to genuinely want to improve the article, but just got off to a rough start. Instead of trying to assign blame for that bumpy beginning, it might be better to put it in the past and figure out whether there’s a way you can work together to make the article better. Does it really matter at this point how you got here now that the you know that the way forward is through article talk page discussion? If you really feel this is a behavior issue that needs to be addressed, then you can seek assistance at WP:ANI. Before you do such a thing, you might want to look at WP:BOOMERANG and Wikipedia:ANI advice if you’re not familiar with how administrators noticeboards like ANI. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I'm not reading through a Byzantine melange of links just for this one edit, I started to and it made my head hurt. You have policies contradicting policies at this place, I can see why so many people hate this website. Benicio2020 (talk) 15:14, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Create page

Hello, I would really like to make a page on Noah Beck. Sadly I do not know how to. If anyone can advise I would appreciate it, Many Thanks, Lexi ItsLexiM (talk) 21:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@ItsLexiM: I've added a welcome message to your user talk page that includes various helpful links, including one to WP:YFA. Note that the order of the steps is important, especially that you determine you can demonstrate notability of the subject, and then to gather the WP:reliable sources that you will summarize for the article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:41, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Find your reliable sources first, as that is your foundation. The article builds from information in those sources. The site List of most-followed TikTok accounts has links to TikTok people who have articles about them. These may be good models. I also checked to see if someone is already working on a draft about Noah Beck and the answer is "No" (as least as a "Draft" but if working in their own Sandbox I would not find it). David notMD (talk) 02:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@ItsLexiM and David notMD: I don't know which Noah Beck this is about, but this search of all namespaces (including User: namespace pages and sub-pages like sandboxes) shows that Joseph.ls.213 appears to have written something about the Youtuber on his user page back in August. There are other mentions that may be relevant or need linking to the article after/if it's created. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:06, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Should I remove all Youtube references for my page to be published?

HI, Do I need to remove all youtube references for my page to get approved? Please advise. Venusorion (talk) 09:43, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Venusorion. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. . Few if any of the current sources meet that requirement. Also see WP:CSMN. Merry Christmas. --ColinFine (talk) 11:32, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Venusorion, to simplify Colin's words: Wikipedia is mainly based on WP:RS. Although YouTube videos can be used sometimes, it's not always (see WP:YOUTUBE). GeraldWL 12:57, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Adding of my Biography

Respected Sir/Mam,

My name is Chirag Jain. I am a notable author from India. And, I would like my biography to be added in the wikipedia. Being of the notable, the media have covered article of me(my book). So, is it possible?

https://www.amazon.in/Search-Another-Life-Chirag-Jain/dp/1636400469/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Chirag+Jain&qid=1608905023&sr=8-1 https://www.prlog.org/12849923-chirag-jain-debuts-with-his-book-in-search-of-another-life.html 2405:201:3013:7072:B533:17C4:38C1:2259 (talk) 14:04, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. An Amazon sales listing and a press release are insufficient to establish that an author is notable. Please read WP: AUTOBIOGRAPHY and Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:01, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

An Amazon listing and a press release do not constitute reliable sources and confer zero notability I'm afraid. Theroadislong (talk) 18:04, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Assuming you are the same author as asked this yesterday, please read the answers you got there, at #Adding of my Biography. Basically, there is no effectitve service for providing an article on request; and when somebody asks for an article about themselves, they are usually here for promotion which is forbidfden on Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 18:04, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello! If you are really Chirag Jain, then search about yourself at wikipedia. There is already an article for you. It was created on 9 March 2020. I am from West Bengal. Thank you. India Meteorological Department (talk) 5:21, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Not the same person as Chirag Jain. David notMD (talk) 19:29, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Suicide epidemic issue

[OT redacted]... Christinepittet (talk) 23:48, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Christinepittet: I'm sorry, but this is a forum for questions regarding using and editing Wikipedia. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:27, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Christinepittet. I see that you wrote Draft:Daniel A. Gair. That is not acceptable for Wikipedia because it is unreferenced and written with a strongly personal point of view. Please read Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:31, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for guidance regarding the "Daniel A. Gair" article I appreciate it. I need to formulate the content in a way where that article becomes more relevant to the general public. I guess media/communication is all about formulating the data where it can fit better to the system.If it is not systematized it would be lost in chaos of big data. Kisses, love you. Christinepittet (talk) 09:44, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

It's also about knowing where you're writing, and we have zero interest in glurgy crap or any other sort of promotion, especially if it is unreferenced. We're an encyclopaedia, not Chicken Soup for the Soul. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 16:49, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Need guidance

Hi, I need abit of help with my current draft Draft:Yeh Shuhua as I am new to wikipedia editing. I don't even dare to resubmit now as I'm scared of it being deleted. I've put in alot of hard work in it and I really hope someone will help me out. Thank you in advance. Justin03 (talk) 02:03, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Appears you have been trying to add references between submissions, but given Declined four times by four different reviewers, strongly suggests that she - of the six women in the K-pop group - has not been written about enough to sustain an article. Reviewers mentioned not meeting musical notability criteria as a weakness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs)

Alright thanks, and do you know where can I get editors to help me edit my errors? Justin03 (talk) 04:00, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

No, for two reasons: we don't encourage mercenaries, and notability isn't a matter you can write your way out of. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 16:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Need permission to use a picture in my book I am writing on memory improvement

I need permission from wikipedia or the original creator to use this image...in my book. https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Arcimboldo_Earth.jpg/800px-Arcimboldo_Earth.jpg

You may plz also tell me about the original creator or copyright holder to contact for his/her permission to use this image. Mukeshhere (talk) 02:17, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

You need no permission to use this image as it is in the public domain, you can use it for any purpose. The file is at c:File:Arcimboldo Earth.jpg on Wikimedia Commons. Dylsss^{(talk contribs)} 02:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Mukeshhere, in addition to Dylsss' answer, please keep in mind that while the image can be used for any purpose, it must be properly attributed (i.e., you must state where you got the image from) per Wikipedia's reuse policies. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 04:55, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't think so, Tenryuu. The image is public domain, not under any license, so there is no requirement to give attribution (though it would be appreciated if you did so, Mukeshhere). --ColinFine (talk) 13:55, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editors who do not assume good faith from other users

Moved from WT:THQ § Disruptive editors who do not assume good faith from other users

 – Marchjuly (talk) 10:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

WP:AGF is a fundamental principle on Wikipedia. What can we do about those self-taught master reverting artists such as this guy, who do not assume good faith from other users and have never stopped questioning the reliability of edits made by other people and virtually asked for sources to be included in every sentence other people wrote instead of trying to improve the articles themselves or stay away from editing those articles which themselves have limited or little knowledge? In my opinion, this type of users have generated more disruptive edits than positive contributions. These users are probably the second worst type of users on Wikipedia, just better than those pure vandals. Is there a direct path we could report them if they are getting out of control? 120.16.155.104 (talk) 03:37, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP 120.16.155.104. The editor you referred to above has been blocked, so that appears to have been resolved. As for the other parts of your post, my suggestion is that you keep assuming good faith and try to engage these types of editors until it becomes quite apparent that they aren’t listening to any of the advice they’re being given. If the situation doesn’t improve, you may have no choice than to bring up the editor’s behavior at one of the administrators’ noticeboards; however, before you do that you should at least explore other options first. — Marchjuly (talk) 10:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

hello can you share my website to all people plz

 Welcome to news (talk) 05:12, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

No. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 06:33, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Worth a shot, though. But yeah, no. Le Panini ^[🥪] 07:46, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Inserting your website into an article is spamming, and resulted in you being indefinitely blocked. You can appeal your block, but if your only intent is to promote your website, you will fail. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Translate

I was wondering if someone who speaks dutch can translate the title from this link for me? [1] An editor at FAC recommended I asked here. Thanks a lot! The Ultimate Boss (talk) 06:22, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@The Ultimate Boss: Wikipedia unfortunately doesn't have a really good translation hub at the moment; WP:Embassy, which was supposed to be that, is pretty dead. What I've tried is going to e.g. Dutch language, searching for an active recent contributor who indicates they speak Dutch on their user page, and asking them. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:27, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Why not look at Category:User nl? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 06:32, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano: since there are 1800 editors in that category, 95% of whom are not experienced or active. Babel is broken. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:57, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@The Ultimate Boss: Note you can give both the foreign and translated title. See Template:Cite web#Foreign language and translated title. I don't speak Dutch but "Jaaroverzichten" could be translated "Year overviews". PrimeHunter (talk) 08:09, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Random question for other hosts who are familiar in this part of wikipedia (as I am more into part of the vandalism side at the moment), do you need to be bilingual to take part or could you use something to digitally translate and then manually go in and make it readable. (P.S. Sorry if this is wordy I couldn't get my point across very well) SnazzyInfinity (chat? • what I've done) 18:18, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Bilingualism is preferred; machine translations are rarely, if ever, 100% accurate. Especially so the further you get from the Romance and Germanic languages. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 18:24, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Can confirm; recently had a little problem over content on a page due to the use of a machine translation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 18:26, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

That's why I had asked, a while ago I worked on some translation for Catherine Vidal (actress) and these two lines alone took me five minutes trying to decipher what it meant, and it's just French! SnazzyInfinity (chat? • what I've done) 18:30, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

The Ultimate Boss, an active Dutch speaking editor is Drmies. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:07, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

• "Yearly overview" will do, as will "annual overview". Cullen328, the notification made me think you were referring to me as the Ultimate Boss. Now I'm a bit disappointed. Drmies (talk) 21:22, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
  • You know what I think about you, my friend. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:50, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Dating System in articles; CITED REFERENCES

I have an interest in and expertise in history, particularly of Eastern Europe, he Mediterranean basin and the extended Middle East and Central Asia. I have edited a few articles wherein the BCE/CE dating sysatem appears in the article BUT IN THE REFERENCED SOURCE WORK, where the BC/AD system is used. To maintain legitimacy and accuracy between the article and the cited reference, I have edited some of the dates in articles where BCE/CE is NOT in the referenced work. Many times this takes more than a bit of investigation and effort in to accessing the cited reference work , so that I am sure of being accurate. I have been warned by an editor Doug weller who has informed me that I am in danger of a "Block", implied that I have an agenda, and that "Reference sources, Do NOT matter" (Emphasis mine). I cannot believe this is true for any work that seeks to be called an Encyclopedia,and should thus give the highest regard to references about references. I want to continue to edit inaccuracies I notice in WIKI and expand the types of edits I make. correcting inaccuracies between WIKI articles and cited references should NOT precipitate the threat of a "block". Thank you. Please advise on how to proceed. Lookout657 (talk) 07:30, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Lookout657, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Era style says: "Use either the BC–AD or the BCE–CE notation consistently within the same article. Exception: do not change direct quotations, titles, etc." Apart from that, it doesn't matter how a source writes a year. It's not an inaccuracy to reformulate something in a source if the meaning is the same. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:40, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

To elaborate on it's not an inaccuracy to reformulate something, if a source says that someone wore slacks but the wikipedia page said trousers or pants then that wouldn't be out a lack of deference to the source material - it would be still be faithful to the source but written for the reader. Equally if the source said that the subject were in deutschland geboren but the en.wikipedia page says they were born in Germany. --Paul ❬talk❭ 12:06, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Lookout657, it is disruptive to change the existing dating system within an article without a good reason, and there is no requirement that Wikipedia's dating system must comply with the source, since 150 BCE is identical to 150 BC. It is especially disruptive to impose a Christian based dating system on articles about China (or other articles with no connection to Christianity), as you have done. Many non-Christian editors very much oppose that type of change. I suggest that you take Doug Weller's advice and abandon this behavior. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:23, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Bigg Boss Tamil Multiple Edits

Hello there :) I am SPEcial EDItor 2020, and I have a question to clarify about the Bigg Boss Tamil Wikipedia Page, if that is ok :)

In sites Bigg Boss Tamil 1, 2, and 3 Nominations Table , an account 2A01:4C8:A8:1542:894A:AFC6:6E77:7A21 has been changing the fontsize multiple times by adding the code "<blockquote style="padding: 0em; overflow:auto;">" . When I reverted the font size to the normal size, the user left a talk page on my User Account saying that I did not follow the rules and that I would be blocked from Wikipedia if I reverted the edit.

Considering that the original font size before the user's edit was similar to my edit, I feel that I didn't do any mistake in editing the Wikipedia page. Incase if I am wrong, I am extremely sorry for my mistake, and I hope you can forgive me :)

So my question is, which font size is supposed to be correct for the Bigg Boss Nomination Table ?, and if user 2A01:4C8:A8:1542:894A:AFC6:6E77:7A21 is wro g, will he be blocked from Wikipedia ? I need to know the correct font size to prevent any disputes happening in my talk page (User (2A01:4C8:A8:1542:894A:AFC6:6E77:7A21) has already left a talk page before this issue), thank you so much for helping me, and I hope that no more confusions will happen in Wikipedia :) SPEcial EDItor 2020 (talk) 13:31, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@SPEcial EDItor 2020: <blockquote> does not change the font size. Usually, it's used to signal that a text is a quote by putting extra padding around it, like so:

This text is inside a blockquote.

In the Bigg Boss case, it's padding is set to 0em (no thickness) to put the extra-wide table into it's own "scrollable box" as opposed to running off the page. I haven't seen this formatting trick before, but I see why it's there. With any dispute, you should reach consensus with other editors on the article's talk page. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:55, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Your answer is appreciated :) Thank you so much for clarifying this issue — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPEcial EDItor 2020 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

SPEcial EDItor 2020 First of all I did not do anything wrong. User:Cyphoidbomb told you and gave you a warning to not put the size to 60 but still you did not listen. When it says in WP:FONTSIZE that it should be at 85%. The second is that I did tell you about why the blockquote was needed is because the table is going off the page. And what the user above has said is completely right so hense don’t remove it. The blockquote is nothing to do with the font size. And last Special Editor I did not say anything about the rules in this [2] it was just about the blockquote. I only told you in the earlier one when you was keep changing the font to 60 last month remember. So don’t lie please as that is not nice — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4C8:A8:1542:E47F:AE97:F1E:42D2 (talk) 18:01, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

• Note: Please sign your messages on discussion (talk) pages by adding a space and four tildes to the end of the last line of your message, like this:

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  The four tildes will be automatically converted to a signature that contains your linked username and a timestamp, which helps readers understand who said what. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:35, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

about editing a semi protected article

hey i just edited eminem article i added some more information about him but i cant see it on the main google page only inside wikipedia i mean when i search eminem on google the information i put doesnt appear under his name on the main google webpage Shreyas2710 (talk) 14:47, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Shreyas2710, it takes time for Google to update it. Just be patient. GeraldWL 14:49, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

hey check ur EMAIL — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shreyas2710 (talk • contribs) 15:11, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft

How do you change a draft into a finished article? Welbinatorr (talk) 16:04, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Submit it for review with {{subst:submit}}. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 16:27, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

As in type that in at the top. This submits the draft to Articles for Creation (AfC). There are thousands of drafts waiting for a Reviewer, so the wait can be days to several months. Reviewer will accept or decline; if the latter, will provide reasons. David notMD (talk) 17:40, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Maslingfing

 Maslingfing (talk) 19:14, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Maslingfing, and welcome to the Teahouse. You don't seem to have asked a question about editing Wikipedia, which is what this page is for. However, you have made a number of inappropriate edits to Wasser, which I have reverted, and left a message on your User talk page. If you wish to work on English Wikipedia, I suggest you take The Wikipedia Adventure, to learn how we work here. --ColinFine (talk) 19:25, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Notability

I was curious what is considered "Significant Coverage" when discussing WP:GNG. Is one good source enough? Is three or five enough? Is there a concrete threshold or is it super vague and up for interpretation? I've seen articles rejected for not being notable despite have a dozen sources, but maybe the sources weren't considered "Reliable". I'm very unsure when an article meets WP:GNG or not so any clarification will be welcomed. TipsyElephant (talk) 21:00, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, TipsyElephant, and welcome to the Teahouse. Does WP:CSMN help? --ColinFine (talk) 21:03, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

It's a little helpful, but do you know if there's anything concrete concerning the "Significant Coverage" criteria? TipsyElephant (talk) 21:08, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

TipsyElephant, we can't be too concrete, since a sentence in a blog about some subject just doesn't mean the same as a full article in a leading magazine. I think significant discussion in three important publications is enough for most editors. Drmies (talk) 21:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

TipsyElephant: you need at least three (maybe two, if they both cover the subject in great breadth and detail) sources each of which is reliable, independent, and has significant coverage of the subject: see WP:SIGCOV. --ColinFine (talk) 22:41, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

(ec) @TipsyElephant: Just to clarify, "significant coverage" is about the content within a given source. The content about the subject must be more than just a passing mention. E.g., an article that talks about a band as a whole, mentioning its members' names only once, would not be considered significant coverage for use in an article about an individual band member. There should generally be at least a paragraph or two about the subject – something you might be able to reasonably summarize and put in the article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:46, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Change Username

How can I change my username? Jack Reynolds(talk) 21:25, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

JackReynolds05Singer Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS. 331dot (talk) 21:33, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

331dot, thank you!! Jack Reynolds(talk) 21:35, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Why is there no flood flag on enwiki?

I always wondered this, ever since I discovered its existence on Wikidata. So, why does English Wikipedia not have the flood flag? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 21:45, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

For those who, like me, had no idea what JJPMaster was talking about, see d:WD:Flooders. --ColinFine (talk) 22:43, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

remove notice of lack of references

I added some references to this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollikins I was thinking to remove the tag that says the page had "no references" and replacing it with on that says "more references are needed". As now there is some but more are needed or just having no tag there either way works for me. Ty78ejui (talk) 22:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC) Ty78ejui (talk) 22:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC) The notice is still there so if no one objects I will have to remove it myself. Ty78ejui (talk) 23:12, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Ty78ejui, yes, when you add references to a page that was previously unreferenced, you should definitely replace the maintenance tag. Be bold! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 10:20, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

It's removed, Thank you. Ty78ejui (talk) 18:25, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

The central banks.com website

I wrote an article for this website I admin and i am wondering why you would decline the article. I admin this site and want it indexed in Wikipedia so that others can learn about my website. I have no references for it because this is a website that I made. This is confusing..... Thesireofplebs (talk) 22:31, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Thesireofplebs, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. You "want it indexed in Wikipedia so that others can learn about my website" is the very essence of promotion, and is not permitted anywhere in Wikipedia. If reliable sources, wholly independent of you, have published about your website, so that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then we could have an article about your website. You should not be the one to write it, and once it is accepted into Wikipedia, you will not have control over its contents, which should be based not one what you say or want to say, but almost entirely on what those independent sources say about it. --ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Thesireofplebs, please read the guideline Wikipedia:Notability (web), which should clarify things for you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:17, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1087#List_of_South_African_artists/_Nerine_Desmond

FYI

 – Link to previous Discussion added -Maresa63 (talk) 10:00, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Further comments re Nerine Desmond[[ page on ‘List of South African artists’ 1) I realise that I may not have made it clear that I am David, the son of Nerine Desmond. I had left this ambiguous because of all the warnings by Wikipedia editors about Wikipedia's inbuilt prejudice against contributors writing about a family member. 2) I am disclosing this so that I can cite a an actual example of WHY the statement on that page regarding ND painting in [now] Namibia, and in Zanzibar and Kenya, is incorrect. I have already outlined the absurdity of lugging around paints, turps, easel etc; as part of her luggage. But I want to point out that Nerine was too poor to even AFFORD an actual studio! So that our lounge (in whatever rented home we occupied) also served as her studio. SO that six decades later, a mere whiff of artists′ turpentine is redolent (literally) of my teens! 3) I now realise that I used the word 'infers' when I should have written 'implies' (belatedly recalling the dictum 'YOU infer; I imply')… Finally, if I knew HOW to contact the editor 'Rudolf Red', I would like to point out that his comment that 'I am now at Stage D (referring to the nameless person who had made incorrect assumptions (such as in [2] above). Stage D [discuss differences of opinion]. HOW do I 'discuss' with an anonymous 'editor"? ```` DeSoto 383 (talk) 00:21, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@DeSoto 383: If there is something in an article that you want to change, then start a discussion on that article's talk page. That is what "Discuss" means. RudolfRed (talk) 00:33, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

DeSoto 383, it appears that you are editing with two accounts, the other being David Desmond. Please use only one account and abandon the other. You have a conflict of interest regarding Nerine Desmond and should limit yourself to making edit requests at Talk: Nerine Desmond. What you call "prejudice" is based on 20 years of experience that shows that close relatives are almost never capable of editing articles about their family members in a neutral, policy-compliant way. The sort of personal anecdote you recounted above is an example. That kind of thing does not belong in this encyclopedia unless previously described in a published reliable source. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:11, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Trouble with an aggressive editor

Made thorough edits to one Wiki article, and have had one editor aggressively undoing my edits demanding a paid disclosure? I’m not being paid for these edits, and have significantly improved the factual accuracy and citations in this article but they are not allowing any space for collaborative discussion. Not sure how to proceed? These edits were objectively amended by others and were up for months. Think this person operates with a bot? Please advise! Elp1108 (talk) 03:12, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Elp1108 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure why you say there has been no space for collaborative discussion; according to your edit history you have not attempted to discuss this issue on the article talk page or any talk page, with the exception of one post on your own user talk page. How did you come to write about Bally Shoe? You don't have to be specifically paid for specific edits to be a paid editor- any paid relationship with a subject you are editing about needs to be disclosed. If you have none, then simply inform the user who brought up the matter. In looking at your edits, I can see why someone might think that you are a paid editor- but again, if you are not, please say so and explain to those involved what the source of your interest in the subject is. 331dot (talk) 08:09, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Confirming that your declaration of not paid is buried on your Talk page. The proper place to declare not paid and no conflict-of-interest is on your User page. Only after doing that should you invite GSS to a discussion on the Talk page of Bally Shoe. None of the reverts were done by a bot. David notMD (talk) 10:50, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Elp1108: you responded in December to a post from August, made by GSS on your user talk page. It is unlikely that any editor will keep track of all user talk pages they post to, at least not for several months; if you want to get another user's attention in a talk page post you can "ping" them using a template, for instance {{re|USERNAME}} or {{ping|USERNAME}}. The template will create a notification for the user, provided you also sign your post like you did above. More info here. Also remember to post your response below the post you are replying to. Your response to the August post on your user talk page was inserted above the heading for that section, so it was not easy to find even for someone who knew it was there.

As for how GSS noticed that you had reverted their edit, that is also a feature of the software: when you revert another user's edit, they will automatically get a notification. I agree with their revert, FWIW; your edit included very promotional language, for instance this, which does not belong in an encyclopedia. If it had been me, I'd have removed the list of shops as well, because that's also not something an encyclopedia needs, but that's a different matter. [edited to add] As a matter of fact, David notMD did that while I was writing this! Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 11:01, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Film plots greater than 700 words

Are there examples of pages where editors have come to a consensus around a film plot summary greater than 700 words? The filmplot policy explicitly allows for this, but in practice I haven't seen it yet.

Thanks! 66.76.58.10 (talk) 03:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@66.76.58.10: The plot setion in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 1 is about 840 Words. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:51, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

In the Tall Grass has 772 words; it can't be compressed further since a forced compression would make the plot confusing. GeraldWL 12:53, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Editing

How do I edit???????? BananatheGreat (talk) 04:18, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello BananatheGreat. Try playing The Wikipedia Adventure. And visit Wikipedia:Community portal. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Unsourced Material

I need help on whether or not I should be removing unsourced material. Specifically, Florida's 1st through 13th House districts.

Example: "This district features a large military presence, serving as a bedroom community for the various naval bases in Jacksonville, as well as Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay in nearby St. Marys, Georgia. This district contains Naval Station Mayport, located in Mayport, and the Blount Island Command, located on Blount Island. There was a vacancy between November 22, 1988 and January 18, 1989 as the incumbent, Gene Hodges, resigned after being appointed to the Florida Parole Commission. Army veteran Allen Boyd won a special election to fill the seat. There was a vacancy between September 1, 1998 and November 4, 1998 as the incumbent, Randy Mackey, resigned after being convicted of federal tax evasion. The seat remained vacant until the general election a few months later. Donald L. Tucker served as Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives from 1974 to 1978." From Florida's 11th House district.

I'm pretty sure some of this information can stand alone, such as the last sentence about Donald Tucker, but there is a lot of unsourced information. I also went ahead to one of the sources (The People of Lawmaking in Florida) and nothing on page 88 has to do with the district itself.

I'm trying to clean up some of these articles, but I wanted to confirm with other editors before I do anything and delete the information. It should also be noted districts 1 through 13 all use the same second source (The People of Lawmaking in Florida, pg. 88). FredModulars (talk) 06:41, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello FredModulars. The first thing to try to do when encountering unreferenced though plausible content is to search for an acceptable reference. The Almanac of American Politics is a biennial source going back decades that includes detailed prose describing the history, demographics, politics and unique aspects of every single congressional district. The second step is to tag the assertion according to the documentation at Template: Citation needed. I recommend removing the content only if good faith efforts to verify it are unsuccessful, and you truly believe that the content is false or highly dubious. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:57, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Cullen328. I should mention that the articles I'm referring to concern the Florida Legislature, not the United States House of Representatives, which is why I believe the almanac won't help (from the Wikipedia article I don't think it delves into state legislatures, but you tell me). I believe the content isn't false and I will try to reverse engineer sources to verify it. Thank you again. FredModulars (talk) 01:39, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

I've also edited Florida's 13th House district to include citations and removed some information. I'm still unsure if I did it correctly, however, as I believe the content I removed wasn't false, yet couldn't verify it. FredModulars (talk) 01:39, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Should I list all publications of a short story?

If an entry for a short story lists several books it was published in, should I add additional books it is in that I know of? Is there a limit to how many, since some stories will have been republished dozens of times?

(Is there a policy if style guide I missed that answers this question?) Cptbutton (talk) 12:03, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Cptbutton, hmm, I'm not sure if there's any concreate guidance on that. I'd say use your editorial judgement—if the entries feel useful, add them; if not, go by this rule and don't. If you're still unsure, maybe ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 12:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Cptbutton: My view is that it would be OK to list other publications in which this short story appeared, providing those publications are, themselves, notable, or likely to be notable if someone were to attempt to create an article about it, and if you can give sufficient detail of that carrier publication for the statement to be verified. We try to avoid filling articles with pure lists of trivia, so err on the side of caution, please. I suggest that in Billennium (short story) you don't add such detail to the lead, but create a separate section listing key publications in which such a story has appeared. (PS: I have just changed the article assessment to Start-class from stub, though a few more references would be helpful, if possible.Nick Moyes (talk) 12:50, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: like the "Publication History" section in The Seed of Earth? Cptbutton (talk) 13:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Cptbutton: yes, that approach makes sense to me, though articles about novels aren't my area. (The page you linked to seems well established, but totally unreferenced. Maybe every work by a major author is deemed notable, but I'm surprised such an article has stood for so long without being dealt with one way or another.) Nick Moyes (talk) 16:50, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

What to do first when there's an article of the same name?

I want to make an article for a village called "Pickersgill". It's red-linked in Settlements of Guyana (the template), and I found sufficient sources for notability (Census, news, etc). However, Pickersgill already exists as a list of folks with that as a last name. I only have a vague idea about dab pages, and I'm not sure if I can assume the page name can be moved easily after I create the article. How should I approach this?

• Should I just make an article called Pickersgill, Guyana and add a "Places" section to the Pickersgill article?
• Or should Pickersgill be moved to Pickersgill (Name)? Likewise, would this need discussion before doing so?
• Or is there some other process I'm unaware of (oh noes)

Advice? Estheim (talk) 12:33, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Estheim. It doesn't sound as if the village would be the primary topic, so I would recommend your first option. Don't forget to put a hatnote at the top of your article. --ColinFine (talk) 16:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Will do, ColinFine, thank you! Estheim (talk) 23:46, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Doubt about chronological order of music albums.

Hi!

Every wikipedia page related to music albums has an infobox. Inside it there is a "Previous Album" field and a "Next Album" field. My doubt is about which album I should put in those two fields. Let me explain a bit more. There are many categories of album that an artist can release: "Studio Albums" and "Live Albums" just to name a couple. The question is: when editing "Previous Album" and "Next Album" fields, should I include only albums of a specific type or every album? In other words: should an artist have one single chronology or one chronology for every type of album he/she released?

I hope I explained my doubt decently enough to be understood.

Thank you very much in advance for your help!

Lapo Furio92 (talk) 14:56, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Furio92, every album. But if the artist has no other albums, you don't have to put it; it's not required. GeraldWL 15:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis thank you very much! I'll have to undo some of my previous edits. I'll fix everything in the coming days. Thank you again for the support! Lapo (talk) 15:34, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Changing font size to print an article for visually impaired?

I have asked this before but all responses regarded BROWSER settings. My brother has no computer. I must print hard copies for him to read.

Changing font size to print an article for visually impaired? My 76 year old brother is visually impaired and is doing physics research. He does NOT have a computer. I must print articles and take to him. I can't seem to copy & paste an article in such a manner that I can then increase the font size so that he can read the article with data loss. In doing this all the equations are lost. One example is an article titled: Calculus of variations. If I download the PDF it keeps the equations but I can't edit the font size on the general text. Is there anything short of having to purchase ADOBE ACROBAT to make this possible? This will be an ongoing issue.

Thank you! 50.82.62.160 (talk) 16:38, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry for your and your brother's problems, but most people who read and answer questions on this page are editors, who have no inside knowledge of the software or other technical details. You are more likely to find somebody who can help at the Technical section of the Village Pump. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Adobe acrobat reader is a free download: just search for it online from get.adobe.com. It has pretty good facilities these days, including the ability to print at a custom scale. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:04, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Your other alternative is to print directly from within Wikipedia. Instead of using "download as .pdf" from the WP menu, try "printable version". This allows a choice of zoom up to 200% and will scale the maths equations correctly. That size font ought to be OK, I would hope. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:13, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Have you read the answers over at Wikipedia:Help desk#Archives/2020 December 13#Changing font size to print an article for visually impaired? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 17:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Question on closing/archiving a discussion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hello Teahouse editors. So recently the Wikipedia:WikiProject Current events had a discussion that has concluded. I am the lead coordinator of the WikiProject and this is the first discussion that the WikiProject dealt with. How do I go about closing the discussion and archiving it. The idea is like how a AFD closes, but I do not know how to actually close it with the fancy ways of "Please don't edit this discussion" and I do not know how to archive.

Any guidance is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Elijahandskip (talk) 16:55, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Elijahandskip, the easiest way to close a discussion is to use the XFD Closer gadget in your preferences, which will add a "Close" link that you can click to customise block messages. Alternatively you can use {{archive top}} and {{archive bottom}}, which requires that you type in the parameters instead of having it automated by the aforementioned tool.

For archiving, consider reading WP:ARCHIVE, as there are different methods to manually and automatically archive. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 17:20, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Tenryuu, I saw that WP:Archive is about archiving a talk page. Is there any other procedures I need to follow if it wasn't on a talk page? The discussion was on the actual WikiProject's main page. Also on the archive page, would I use the talk page or the article page. (I highly assume talk page, but I am not sure). Elijahandskip (talk) 19:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Elijahandskip, I would consider it as if it were this page: the Teahouse archives questions on here in a Questions subpage before sub-organising it into archives. I'm not aware of any required procedures to follow if it's not a talk page, though you might want to add a link to the archive subpage on your WikiProject's main page so that it can be referred to easily. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 20:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you! Elijahandskip (talk) 20:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Taking down template message.

I fixed the page Pune Vidhyarthi Griha's College of Engineering and Technology to make it neutral and not promotional. How do I take down the message at the top of the page. It is not showing up in editing. Whimsicalghost (talk) 16:56, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Whimsicalghost: You already removed it in this edit: [3]. Or is there something else you are asking about? RudolfRed (talk) 18:55, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: I figured it out Thank You!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Whimsicalghost (talk • contribs) 19:33, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Artical Create

Hello Peace be upon you i have a question 1. why i don't have artical page to create ? and 2. How i can finding and create the the page ? 3. My artical page can publish in internet and can if any person or, me search to subject my artical show that ? Iam.20.O (talk) 18:02, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Iam.20.O. For information about how to write a Wikipedia article, please read Your first article. You seem to have difficulty writing clearly in English. Perhaps you speak another language better. If so, please consider contributing to the version of Wikipedia in that language. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Blocked as sock. David notMD (talk) 02:18, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Table in Wikipedia

I want to ask a question. How to remove the empty cell from the table in Wikipedia without affecting any other cell from row or column. Nikunj12387 (talk) 18:14, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Nikunj12387. Please read Help:Table. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Nikunj12387: Without an example of exactly what you mean, I'm going to guess the correct answer is "you don't". A table, by its nature, is a rectangular grid of R rows of C columns. There are R × C cells that must exist, and you can't just remove one. If the value of a cell should be empty, there are various things you can change the value to, including just a space ( ), {{N/a}} or {{Emdash}}, depending on the need. (This generalization ignores rowspans, colspans, and other special formatting tricks that are described in Help:Table.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:21, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Nikunj12387: I think AlanM1's reply makes a lot of sense. If there's something you think we're failing to appreciate, do please follow up with some specific examples or links to pages you'd like to modify. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:34, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Finding images

How do i find images for articles and make sure they're in the public domain? How are things such as logos allowed to be put in articles? Mekeit (talk) 18:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mekeit. This is sort of hard to answer; there's so much involved given the breadth of your questions. Here's a bunch of point that I hope help. I am going to collapse this, as too intrusively large.

A bunch of Image points

• For clarification purposes: not all free content images are in the public domain – a large portion are under a suitably free and and compatible copyright license;
• But when you do find such images, they are usually hosted at the Wikimedia Commons – which allows their use at all Wikimedia projects, rather than just here. Images at the Commons can be displayed here natively – so that's where you should: i) search for existing, and ii) upload – such suitably licensed and public domain images;
• More rarely, we allow the use of non-free copyrighted images, including for logos, under fair use. they must, however meet the non-free content criteria. See Wikipedia:Non-free content;
• Since you specifically asked about logos, some are eligible for upload to the Wikimedia Commons as public domain material because they only consist of typefaces, individual words, slogans, or simple geometric shapes, and thus are not eligible for copyright protection. See, e.g., {{pd-textlogo}}.
• Please note one significant exception to the bullet point above: some such images may still be subject to copyright protection in their home country, if from a country (such as England) that recognizes the sweat of the brow doctrine, and thus must be uploaded to Wikipedia for use here, rather than to the Commons. See, e.g., {{PD-ineligible-USonly}};
• You can use an advanced Google Images search to try to locate suitably-free images. Once at Google Images, go to Settings → Advanced search → usage rights: → Creative Commons licenses → once a specific image is invoked → License details → compare against the list here;
• Flickr is also a ripe place to search for free images, but please be aware of "license laundering".
• You might try the "FIST", Free Image Search Tool;
• Please note that the starting point for a random image found on the internet is: it is assumed to be fully non-free copyrighted (and there is no need for an image to display © or similar). For free status, we look for affirmative and verifiable evidence of a free copyright status. This excludes a vast cross section of images you find on the Internet, and through a plain old Google images or other non-targeted search;
• So, you must look for an affirmative release by an image's owner (e.g., the owner so states in relation to the image);
• However, some images pass into the public domain because of some situational status, such as that the image was not subject to copyright in the first place (e.g., an image created by a U.S. federal employee during the scope of his or her duties), or because of timing, coupled with publication status—which can be summarized as the image being:

• Created/photographed prior to 1900 (whether published or not) = PD.
• Published before 1925 = PD — but only in the U.S. Wikimedia Commons images must be suitably-free also in the country of origin, so for foreign images, you must check its source country's copyright rules, and if not PD there, it can be uploaded to Wikipedia, but not to the Commons.
• Published after 1925 and up to 1977 without a copyright symbol = PD
• Published between 1978 and March 1, 1989 without a copyright symbol and not registered since = PD
• Published from 1925 to 1963 with a copyright symbol and copyright not renewed = PD
• Unpublished and created/taken before 1925 = PD 70 years after author's death (so the author's identity must be known).
• Unpublished and created/taken after 1925 = too complicated to get into. See more here

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:36, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm surprised by the the occurrences of the date 1925 in the "hidden" content above. I thought the relevant date was 1923, has been so for many years, and does not advance with time. Can you confirm that 1925 is now correct? Maproom (talk) 21:44, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Maproom: Based on Wikipedia:Public_domain#When_does_copyright_expire? 1925 is correct for the United States. RudolfRed (talk) 22:30, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

On January 1, 2020, all works copyrighted in 1924 entered the public domain in the U.S. In a few days, on January 1, 2021, the same will happen with works copyrighted in 1925. And so on each year into the future, unless the law is changed. This article published a year ago discusses a few of the famous newly copyright free works of 1924. Expect similar articles in days to come about works of 1925. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:47, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Sources in drafts: Part II

I have seen that my thread about drafts was archived almost a month ago. I have some doubts that are still unsolved, but I will start with the tweets. I have found two tweets that might be useful: this one might help to verify André's cameo on Red's Dream (although the user misnamed André by the bee's name instead of his actual name, which it is derived from a Greek word meaning "man") and the other one might verify the existence of a Christmas card featuring André and Wally B., as well as the Stained Glass Knight from Young Sherlock Holmes.

Whilst Twitter is included in the list of sources which are unacceptable, I have seen that there is a template about using tweets as references. In brief, I have had to ask about the use of these tweets before including them in the Pixar-themed draft, as I do not know that these tweets are reliable or not.--André the Android^(talk) 21:34, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, André the Android. I'm afraid not. The only circumstances in which a user-generated source like Twitter can be used are 1) when the subject of an article tweets from their verified Twitter account, in which case information can be used in the limited ways allowed for Self-published sources; or 2) in theory, if the tweet is from the verified account of a recognised expert in the field (this exception is occasionally used for blogs; I've never heard of it being used for Tweets). A tweet by a random person on the internet is never acceptable as a source. (See WP:TWITTER and WP:TWITTERREF.) --ColinFine (talk) 23:53, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me about the tweets' reliability, it is clear that unverified accounts make more mistakes (and even misspellings) than verified ones. According to this wiki's rules, I would add one of them (about André's first and only cameo) to the draft I created before and the list of Pixar film references if Pixar's official Twitter account was more aware of earlier short films Pixar has produced like The Adventures of André & Wally B. However, all Pixar films (including Luca, which it is my least favourite Pixar film to date) are overhyped so it is impossible to find reliable sources to help verify it.

I have another question related to books as sources: a few days ago I received a copy of The Art of Pixar Short Films (an art book from The Art of... series which was written by Amid Amidi and was published by Chronicle Books) as a Christmas present and I think this book is not only useful, but it can also be reliable. For example, I discovered that the fictional character is not only named after one of the protagonists of My Dinner with André, but also his name has the same prefix as the "android" term. That is why I think this book may help to verify information.--André the Android^(talk) 14:53, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

anything and notable wikipedia

wouldn't be better to have two separated wikipedia, one for really notable stuff and one for not really notable stuff? here there are 2 type of authors, those who believe that only very notable article should be kept and those who believe the more articles we have the better it is. Wouldn't be best to have one wikipedia ruled on strict rules about sources and notability and one with softer rules? Now on wikipedia the notable-reliable sourced articles are mixed with hardly notable with not strong sources. Most of the users can't tell a good source from a bad one and they can't tell what/who is really notable and this generates a lot of confusion. there are good things in both the approach (hard/soft approach) so why don't we implement them both but on separated pages?. Having two different web sites we could have one omniscient wikipedia where one can find about everything even though one knows one needs to double check and we would have a reliable enciclopedia where one can find only notable articles with the best sources. just my thought --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 23:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)&nbsp

@AlejandroLeloirRey: feel free to create a page about any non-notable person at Peoplepedia. I'm sure there are many other sites and free blog pages that allow anyone to write about anything they like. There's also Deletionpedia], too. I suspect others might say that we focus on notable topics, so why worry ourselves about creating a parallel site for non-notable topics when so many other platforms offer that already? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:31, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: because as a metter of fact we have notable bios and articles mixed with not notable bios and articles and it is hard to establish how notable is something only because it is on wikipedia. For example, if I find a magazine or a company on wikipedia does it mean that such a mag/comp is actually notable? can I trust all of its sources? at the moment no, not at all. Especially with niche articles establishing notability can be very important for the reader also. If I am not a gemer but I am doing a research of the most relevant videogames can i consider a videogame irrelevant/relevant for being on wikipedia? at the moment the answer is no... --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 00:21, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

If you find a non-notable article, you can work to improve it, or propose it for deletion. Just because there are some non-notable articles, does not mean we should create a parallel encyclopedia filled with non-notable articles. RudolfRed (talk) 00:36, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. Wikipedia is a "work in progress". Feel free to help us remove the chaff, and retain the core content Nick Moyes (talk) 00:43, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: @RudolfRed: actually I have improved and have nominated for deletion a lot of articles but still, there is a frange of people who wants to keep as much as possible and a frange who wants to get rid of anything that is not not undeniably and universally notable (once again hard with niche articles) therefore you will not always have success in having the not notable articles removed so the result is a bad mix of the two visions. We have an enciclopedia that might have a reasonably notable subject deleted because it met a certain kind of authors when nominated and a totally not notable subject kept for the same reason... using such an enciclopedia could be tricky. plus, I feel we should make a list of reliable sources and anytime once wants to use a source not included into the list he has first to submit it for approval, if approved that source will be added to the list... just a few ideas, not trying to impose anything :-) --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 01:10, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Pre-approving sources as reliable is impossible - the world changes too fast. David notMD (talk) 02:03, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Question about the policy on nonpublic information

I have a quick question: why do you need to be identified to the Wikimedia Foundation to become an OTRS member, and why is the age requirement for OTRS membership 16 as opposed to 18, which is the requirement for account creator, CheckUser, and Oversight? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 01:56, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@JJPMaster:

• WHy you have to be identified? Well, this has to do with privacy. OTRS, as well as Checkuser/Oversight can involve personal data, such as private telephone numbers, person's real adresses, connections between A real Life human identity and his WIkipedia nickname... Basically, WMF wants to know who has access to their queues, so they know who to sue if someone turns out to be evil. WMF can probbably give you some more on this
• Why is the requirement for OTRS 16? I don't know. As far as I am aware, the requirements for Checkusers and Oversighters are 18 years old. YOu probbably have to ask WMF about this. 07:39, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Text Layer on svg images being changed by wikipedia

Text on svg images I have created are being edited once shown on the page. I see the font hs changed, and that seems to be it. Not sure why, and is there anything I can do to stop this? I wasn't expecting it, and due to this, once I uploaded the file, it looked all messed up. I'll show the file if you need it, but I bet this has happened to a lot of people, so there's probably an easy explanation Xiphactinus A (talk) 03:44, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Xiphactinus A: Please provide an example. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Xiphactinus A: there are some issues around fonts used in SVG images, and it depends on how the file was saved – with fonts set to use the system default, with just the name of the font and the font expected to be present elsewhere, with full outlines (but some fonts are copyright and should not be exported in this way), etc. So as AlanM1 says we need to see an example. It's not specifically due to Wikipedia. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:18, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Peter coxhead:

this vs. this

Information page about me

Hi, I received my last answer I happy with it. Now I want to know how can I create information about me? like If anyone searches my name "Alizay Sheikh" then my information page shows through Wikipedia. AlizaySheikh (talk) 05:38, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello AlizaySheikh. Wikipedia is not a platform for self-promotion. It is an encyclopedia. If you want people to find you online, create an excellent website. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:46, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Bias - Racial Bias, Political Bias, National interest etc

How are racial & political biases handled? I guess wikipedia will be a target for various media houses. Mankind has met various wars and still has times of unrest at places. How does wikipedia handle biases?

What is considered an authoritative source here? Suppose there are more editors from XYZ nation at wikipedia, then do they give more priority to their own national interest and consider nations not following them less authoritative? If such happens, how are they addressed?

Though giving undue priorities to one's own nation brings a bad name to the nation itself making it a laughing stock, I guess in this world today very less understand that. Gub Sub Dub (talk) 09:08, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Gub Sub Dub, hey there. Good Wikipedia editors handle bias by using a source and absorb the neutral elements in it, and are able to know what's Wikipedia-worthy and what's not-- that is, able to detect what's fact and what's not. We mostly cover facts; if we are to talk about opinions (like reception of a film), we will attribute the source. See WP:RS for what's considered a good source. There's no such thing as national interest here, and a nation should not be given more priority of coverage, unless the nation is the only thing covered. If such happens, other editors would bring in more coverage on other nations. It's collaboration. GeraldWL 09:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Your questions have merit. Wikipedia articles are supposed to strive toward neutrality, but unconscious (and conscious) bias exists. See Wikipedia:Wikipedians for nature of the editor population. One large problem still is that close to 90% of editors self-identify as male. Also, editors prefer to use references in the language(s) they understand. David notMD (talk) 10:46, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

How do I change the name of the article?

Esso Journalism Award is now called ExxonMobil Journalism Award. How do I change it, and make Esso Journalism Award as a redirect? User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 10:10, 28 December 2020 (UTC) User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 10:10, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Tetizeraz, did it there for ya. GeraldWL 10:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Gerald Waldo Luis, I saw the diff and I think I understood what you did. User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 10:15, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Where can I ask Wikipedians to solve a dispute in an article (regarding neutrality, sources, etc)?

As the title says. I'm having a issue with another editor in an article I just created, and I'd like more input from other editors. User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 10:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC) User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 10:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Name of article? (you have created more than one). David notMD (talk) 10:49, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Tetizeraz on above question. GeraldWL 10:56, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

David notMD Sérgio Dávila. See Talk. User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 11:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Needs references for the content that is not about his covering the war (for which there are too many refs). For example, is there a ref that confirms he is editor-in-chief? The earlier parts of his career? By the way, the editor dispute is moot, as that editor now blocked for other activities. David notMD (talk) 12:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Tetizeraz, there are several options at WP:Dispute resolution requests that may be helpful. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Debate over terminology on United Kingdom talk page

Any suggestions for how to proceed with this issue at Talk:United Kingdom#Sovereign Country would be helpful. Llewee (talk) 14:26, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey Llewee. You could seek a request for comment on the issue. Please note a common mistake to avoid if you do so (that I mention because I've seen it so many times and I think it's really vital): the RfC statement describing the issue should be scrupulously neutral – not advocatory; not suggesting the conclusion you side for in its manner of description; a good test is to read it over while pretending you are a stranger to the issue and see whether you think such an outsider could even tell what "side" the person who wrote it (you) is on. You might "advertise" at the talk page of an appropriate Wikiproject or elsewhere, possibly using {{rfc notice}}. See Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Publicizing an RfC. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:02, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

wikimedia commons

can you use wikimedia commons as a source or place it among the inline citations? thanks SpiritGirl809 (talk) 14:29, 28 December 2020 (UTC) SpiritGirl809 (talk) 14:29, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@SpiritGirl809: In short, no. See the second paragraph of Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Commons is a self-published sister project. Peter coxhead (talk) 14:32, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi SpiritGirl809. I agree with Peter coxhead above, but just wanted to note one exception to the general rule stated, that could possibly be applicable given that you did not specify what situation prompted your question. Occasionally, a source that you seek to cite may itself be hosted at the Commons, and the courtesy link you provide in the citation to that source can point there. As an example, I did this for a page from the 1910 U.S Census at Kelly pool#cite note-Census-5. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:15, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: yes, that's a good point. Commons is then basically the same as an archived copy of a source. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:12, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Help? My IP address was used to make edits I did not make or know of... ??

Greetings, experts! An announcement popped up just now saying that my IP address (the correct one, I checked) was used to make edits in a topic I know nothing about and in which I have no interest. I never made any such edits. It lists my IP address on the User Contributions page. (I took screen shots of this message in case it is some kind of security issue to investigate.)

Should I try to correct this? I don't want to be associated with edits I did not make.

Larger question, how can someone use my IP adress? I am the only user in this household on this internet setup. Have I been hacked? I know of no other evidence of that.

Apologies if these are dumb questions; I'm an older person trying to catch up to the late 20th century, um, early 21st century (definitely not a young internet-native).

Thank you for any insights you can provide. Acoldiron (talk) 17:39, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Acoldiron. It is quite likely that your IP address is not static: have you tried switching off your router and then switching it on again? If you do that, your Internet Service Provider may allocate you a new IP address. One of the reasons that Wikipedia prefers editors here to create accounts is because IP addresses are not guaranteed to always refer to the same person. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:48, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for this quick and helpful answer. Yes, we had several storms and have indeed turned the router off and on a few times. Your answer helps me not feel so paranoid about this. <smiles> A.Coldiron. Acoldiron (talk) 17:54, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Acoldiron: The IP talk page would also have shown the box at the bottom of for example User talk:76.72.9.125. It says: "Many IP addresses change periodically, and are often shared by several users." I think most of a small country shared an IP address not long ago. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:43, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Question

Who was the youngest WP administrator? 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 (always ping me when replying) 21:52, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi LightningComplexFire. We don't know. Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors advices to not give out age. Administrators are not required to reveal their age or identity. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:02, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@LightningComplexFire: Noting your signature, I need just to comment to you that it is up to you to add pages to your watchlist if you have posted there and want to be aware of replies. Expecting others to ping you is not always reasonable, and just comes across as laziness to me. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:50, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

updated information and biography

Hello, I am attempting to update the Wikipedia entry for Felicity Abbott Production Designer. I am Felicity Abbott. This page was written by a third party and is 10 years out of date. It contains dead links and outdated information. All attempts at updating this page have been undone by Kemalcan, who has sent me a message saying that I will be blocked the next time I "vandalize Wikipedia". I'm simply trying to update an existing page with current information. How can I go about this? ANTIPODEANFA (talk) 22:44, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ANTIPODEANFA. Unfortunately we cannot accept updates without reliable published sources, as we have no way of telling who your are. Please see WP:ABOUTYOU for ways to proceed. --ColinFine (talk) 23:12, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Schwarz triangle

I have tried to create a template to produce a Schwarz triangle (Template:Schwarz Triangle), but it does not seem to work—see the documentation. Is anyone able to help? DBoffey (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Are you using {{Schwarz Triangle}} which does not exist or {{Schwarz triangle}} which is the correct name? Template names are case sensitive. RudolfRed (talk) 22:51, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

forgot to ping @DBoffey: RudolfRed (talk) 22:52, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

In Template:Schwarz triangle/doc you say {{Schwarz|...}} which doesn't exist either. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:55, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

want to learn Wikipedia

Hi How can I learn to work on Wikipedia faster? Help if you can. Thanks Hogo-2020 (talk) 22:49, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

I added a header to this question RudolfRed (talk) 22:51, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Hogo-2020: Try the WP:ADVENTURE interactive learning game, and/or the WP:TUTORIAL. RudolfRed (talk) 23:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

how to edit wiki

Please how can I edit or create a new page Jeremiah mapeo (talk) 23:07, 28 December 2020 (UTC) Jeremiah mapeo (talk) 23:07, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jeremiah mapeo, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I have put some useful links on your user talk page: please have a look through them. You are welcome to start improving Wikipedia as soon as you feel ready; but I implore you, don't try the exremely difficult task of creating a new article until you have spent a few weeks or months editing some of our six million existing articles (some of which are desparately in need of work) and learnt how Wikipedia works. --ColinFine (talk) 23:17, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Jeremiah mapeo, there is an interactive tutorial at WP:ADVENTURE that will walk you through the basics. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 23:19, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Donations

I would like to donate however do not trust typing all my card info into the phone. Is there a way to donate via my secure internet banking? 1.144.110.42 (talk) 00:30, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

See [[4]] for the various ways to donate. RudolfRed (talk) 00:40, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Fjord Estuary Ecosystem Wiki Page

I stumbled on this article while doing some research. It feels like it deserves a wiki page, but I couldn't find any other ecosystem pages like it.

Is it something I should make a page for? Or is this not a standard Wikipedia topic? JulesAltis (talk) 01:23, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi JulesAltis, and good question! Typically, we add content to existing pages until they become too big on their own, at which point they split off. The existing coverage of the park's ecosystem is at Kenai Fjords National Park#Wildlife and ecology, so I would start by improving that section as much as you can while keeping it a reasonable length. Everglades National Park is a featured article, so that might be a good page to draw inspiration from. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!! I'll start there and see how things evolve! JulesAltis (talk) 02:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

"Neutral point of view does not mean no point of view"

I came here to ask if there was ever a Wikipedia policy that read this, as I think that I recall reading it at some point back before I became a constructive contributor. JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 02:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Edit: I think I found it in WP:VAND. JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 02:07, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

@JJPMaster: Your link is about vandalism. You may be looking for WP:VALID instead. RudolfRed (talk) 02:17, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

fix ping for @JJPMaster: RudolfRed (talk) 02:17, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

RudolfRed, I know, but I found the specific phrase I was looking for in the vandalism policy. JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 02:18, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Past Wikipedia contributions credit before I set up Wikipedia account

Took the the time to set up a Wikipedia account, then realized that I had contributed in the past. Is it possible to associate my name/email with those contributions? Flexsoman (talk) 03:15, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Flexsoman. I don’t think there’s any way to merge two accounts into one since each account needs to be properly attributed for the edits it has made. I think the best you can do is pick the one that you want to use from here on and then add a link to the other account to the user page of the one you keep. You may be able to use the template {{User previous account}} to do that or you can just add a link manually. A better option, however, might be to simply stop using this account if you’re still able to access the older one. You’ve only made one edit with this account and nobody will know or care that you created it as long as you don’t make any more edits with it. — Marchjuly (talk) 03:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)