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Indonesian politicians

So, if they were not national MPs, what was the assembly they were part of? Has that assembly an article on Wiki? Is it a sort of regional council, which would make them not encyclopedic? Before readding what I undid, please explain, @Tensa Februari:. --Folengo (talk) 12:47, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All of your questions are on the news sources. So if you want to delete their notability because such assemblies are not on English Wikipedia yet, I have no problem. But that was problem if you state that they are from national MP because those are wrong. Best regards. --Tensa Februari (talk) 12:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was confused by user saying contrasting things. So they can be compared to regional councillors, no? Are they notable enough to have a page on Wiki? --Folengo (talk) 13:51, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They are not regional councillors. There are 34 provinces of Indonesia. Each province has its own legislature. Indonesia is a democratic republic like the United States that has a similar structure. Federal > Province > Regencies (which would be similar to regional councillors or municipalities elsewhere) > Districts > Villages (Subdivisions of Indonesia). The problem is that Indonesia is not covered very extensively on English wikipedia but that is not to confuse them with not being notable.Sunny Doo, 14:27, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In cases such as these, I would always go to the 30 day test. Ref ^(chew)(do) 17:57, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Muspandi was a member of the provincial East Kalimantan DPRD [id] and is listed on that page. He was also a member of the Paser DPRD [id], with Paser being a regency of East Kalimantan. Muhammad Arif was a member of the Tanjungpinang City DPRD [id] with cities being administrated separately from regencies, but at an equivalent level. Emk9 (talk) 18:28, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Regencies are sub-provincial and hence not inherently notable (WP:NPOL). I have removed the Pasar mention from Muspandi, and nominatred Arif for deletion. WWGB (talk) 01:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessarily rapid switcheroo?

Quite tedious to find yesterday's deaths. Can't we wait a week before we do all those conversions and delete format one is accustomed to? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yesterday was December 31, which can be found in either Deaths in December 2020 or at Deaths in 2020, which will redirect to 2020 at a list of annual deaths, wherein you will find the December 2020 deaths link. How hard is that? Wylie pedia @ 17:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gee, thanks for telling me what date that was! (Wow!) I wrote "tedious" not "hard", and am not a nincompoop. I stand by "tedious". Let me add: unnecessary. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:25, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not ganging up here, but regular visitors and editors to the Deaths pages understand the technicalities of the immediate New Year switchover. Look for consensus if you will, but the result would be more chaotic than your search was. Ref ^(chew)(do) 17:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but it is not my opinion that we are here mainly to create material for "regular visitors and editors" but for any and all readers, and to make access to that material as facile as possible for all readers. I asked a simple question: Can't we wait a week? Perhaps someone who does not care only about "regular visitors and editors" might want to try to reply? If not: oh, well... Others need not bother here, in any case, with me and my silly outsider query. Happy New Year! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Recent deaths was the third-most viewed page in the English Wikipedia in 2020. It received over 43.5 million views, an increase of 9% over the previous year.

Thanks to the contributors and wikignomes for maintaining such a popular, informative and accurate article. WWGB (talk) 00:43, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikibreak

I'm taking a break for a week, because apparently Marbe166 can't let go of 2020 and insists on adding the hatnote to Deaths in December 2020 or even Deaths in 2020. See how easy that was to type in? It's never been done before 2020. A casual wikivisitor could do that in the search bar. Deuces. Wylie pedia @ 01:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the page history, you see that I am not the only one who reverted your removals. The fact that something hasn't been done before is not an argument for not doing it now, it is called continuous improvement, as the problem (of easy access (i.e. by clicking, not typing in a search bar) in the beginning of the year to the deaths at the end of the previous years from the Recent deaths link at the Wikipedia front page) has been there every year. This is an improvement, although it is not perfect. In my view, the Deaths in 2020 page could have stayed as it was on 31 Dec (with 31st on top) until 7 Jan to be in as close analogy as possible with how it is done in other months. --Marbe166 (talk) 01:21, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, and I'm not involved with this page, I like the hatnote, especially for the seven day period as outlined in the FAQ and per WP:HATCHEAP. schetm (talk) 03:12, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Symons

This edit request by an editor with a partial block from editing this page has now been answered.

[2] He died on January 1st, not January 2nd. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 11:11, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Marbe166 (talk) 12:42, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Brown

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[3] [4] [5] Can he be moved back to the 2nd? According to these articles, the tweets are saying January 2nd. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 12:32, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Marbe166 (talk) 12:40, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Don Salls

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[6] He died on Saturday, not on Sunday. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 15:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Ref ^(chew)(do) 16:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tanya Roberts

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Can a better source other than TMZ be used? Here are some other sources that can be used instead:[7],[8] MikaelaArsenault (talk) 02:54, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing wrong with TMZ, as explained to you here, but Deadline has been used. Wylie pedia @ 04:30, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Barbara Shelley

COD needs to be temporarily removed.

The inline citation at her article, and the article itself, state that she had recovered from COVID-19.

If a person recovers from something, I think that makes it a bit difficult to then die from it.

Thoughts about removing COVID-19 as any part of Shelley's COD ? 2600:8800:785:9400:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 17:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]