Talk:Antarctic Treaty System

Remove Old False Information

There is a government forming in Antarctica and it is not the Treaty. There is an indigenous population and large numbers of living persons who were born in the Antarctic Seas, on islands or research stations. These people are forming into a new government that may be named Trinity, Nation of the Sea or The Sovereign Nation of Antarctica, the Antarctic Islands and the Undersea Territories of the Antarctic People, Human and other. If this movement is ever published about in media or recognized by any legitimate institution of government, it should be mentioned. As for now until there is something more substantial about it, it should remain left out of the article. I only mention this because it could make merging the treaty system and the government a bad move. In any case, the statement that there is no native human population has been untrue for a great while now. Scottprovost (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC).

Please could you provide a source? 51.146.61.113 (talk) 09:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)NoAccount

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Merge with Government of Antarctica ? --Ann O'nyme 07:50, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I think Government of Antarctica should be definitively merged with Antarctic Treaty System because the content between these two articles is already now highly redundant (Government of Antarctica containing most of the information Antarctic Treaty System contains but not vice versa). The title of the arcticle Antarctic Treaty System is better, but the content of the article Government of Antarctica is much better, so we should copy the additional content of Government of Antarctica into the article Antarctic Treaty System and then delete Government of Antarctica. -- Citylover 11:12, 10 September 2005 (UTC).

Done. I transferred all information from "Government of Antarctica" into this article here (Antarctic Treaty System) and made a redirect from "Government of Antarctica" to this article here (Antarctic Treaty System). -- Citylover 13:58, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Expiration?

Is there an expiration on this thing? - Amgine 00:06, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It is claimed in a letter published in New Scientist [1] that the antarctic treaty expires in 2009. The letter may refer to "the treaty" or one of the other treaties mentioned here, that is concerned with economic exploitation, but it would in any case be of great importance, especially considering the "road" that the US is building towards the south pole. EverGreg 10:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, seems the treaty dosn't expire, it only has a clause saying it may go up for revisions after 50 years. The relevant part is article 25 quoted below. I don't know how dramatic changes could be and still get a 3/4 majority vote. EverGreg 19:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

ARTICLE 25

MODIFICATION OR AMENDMENT

 

2. If, after the expiration of 50 years from the date of entry into force of this

Protocol, any of the Antarctic Treaty Consultative Parties so requests by a

communication addressed to the Depositary, a conference shall be held as soon as

practicable to review the operation of this Protocol.

 

3. A modification or amendment proposed at any Review Conference called

pursuant to paragraph 2 above shall be adopted by a majority of the Parties, including 3/4

of the States which are Antarctic Treaty Consultative Parties at the time of adoption of

this Protocol.

Anime

There should be a section explaining the Antarctic Treaty of the Mobile Suit Gundam anime. It plays a critical role in the series. User-Name 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I moved it to Antarctic Treaty of Mobile Suit Gundam. That's where it belongs. Lokifer 03:13, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Lokifer, there should be a notice on this page about the Antarctic Treaty from the Gundam anime for those looking up "Antactric Treaty" but are really looking for the "Antactric Treaty of Mobile Suit Gundam". User-Name 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I've taken care of that now. Lokifer 09:39, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Westarctica

The land from 90 degrees west to 150 degrees west has been claimed by The Grand Duchy of Westarctica. (see http://www.westarctica.com/index.html) -- Citylover 17:13, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Westarctica is more of a micronation set up by a few individuals over a building or a very small area. Its claims over the 60-degree wide area of the continent is not recognized by international law. Currently, all international claims of any part of Antarctica is suspended, and the Antarctic treaty of 1959 spoke of no nation can claim Antarctica. + 71.102.2.206 (talk) 08:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

mistake?

this link on the BAS website shows us that there are 28 Consultative parties, whereas the article states that there are 27 articles:

"The Antarctic Treaty System's yearly Atlantic Treaty Consultative Meetings are the international forum for the administration and management of the region. Only 27 of the 44 parties to the agreements have the right to participate in these meetings. These parties are the Consultative Parties and, in addition to the twelve original signatories, include 15 countries that have demonstrated their interest in Antarctica by carrying out substantial scientific activity there."

is this a mistake, and on which side? --DTR 16:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

The data in the article was from 1999, but I've updated it: Estonia became an acceding state on 2001-05-17 and the Ukraine became a consultative party on 2004-05-27 [2]. -- Jeandré, 2006-01-03t22:31z

Economic exploitation

Is Antarctica currently protected from economic exploitation? Is this mentioned in the treaty? Zargulon 12:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Annual Meetings

Its impossibale to link to but here is a quote of the http://www.ats.aq/ website"We -the Antarctic Treaty Parties- are meeting in Edinburgh, Scotland from 12 to 23 June 2006 for the XXIXth Antarctic Treaty Consultative Meeting. Our discussions of the international management of Antarctica are this year enhanced by a full day`s consideration of the International Polar Year 2007-2008 and its importance for our Antarctic future." Its impossible to use this a reference becuase the webstie uses AJAX — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.107.78 (talk) 23:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Acceding?

Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't seem clear what is meant by countries with "acceding" status on the map (e.g. Canada). I don't find this anywhere in the article. Could this be clarified? Ddddan 16:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Since this is a basic element of all treaties, it's probably not necessary to explain it within the article. To accede to a treaty simply means to sign onto a treaty that's been around for a while - as opposed to being in the room when the treaty was being drafted. Those who were there at the start are considered "signatories"; those who join later are "acceding states". In the case of the Antarctic Treaty, some refer to states that have signed on but not gained decision-making rights (e.g. Canada) as acceding states. Smpowell 05:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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Defunct?

The Soviet Union is defunct, but the UK and US aren't (yet). Only can't come up with a better way of putting the '46 nations have signed...' sentence, without violating alphabetical order. Sentence would have to be split - like 'original signatories included SU, UK and US and to date 46 nations have signed'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.142.181.197 (talk) 15:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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Confused

Im confused about the reserve the right to claim thing with Russia and the US. Do they have territories down there that allow them to make such a claim? Lemniwinks (talk) 03:50, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

table

Just wondering if the table could be organized a little better. Maybe consolidated to two date columns? --Lasunncty (talk) 18:20, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

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Treaties of Hungary Template

Is the Treaties of Hungary Template really necessary? --Gimelthedog (talk) 03:47, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

48 or 49 member nations?

In the intro paragraph, the article states that the treaty "currently has 48 signatory nations", but in the Members section, it states "Currently, there are 49 treaty member nations"... there are 49 countries listed on the table in that section, so I'm going to go ahead and correct the error in the intro paragraph. PrintedScholar (talk) 00:49, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Conspiracy Theories

Hello, I've seen some conspiracy theories about the Antarctic Treaty from the Flat Earth movement. coverage: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jun/28/why-bad-ideas-refuse-die does this meet notability? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CasualStructure (talk • contribs) 15:09, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Articles of Treaty

Edited to include the actual articles of the treaty. Needs review in regards to format and if the original treaty language is too complicated for the article. I apologize in advance for the newbie mistakes. 96.232.204.14 (talk) 01:34, 14 February 2019 (UTC) It appears the treaty articles have disappeared. 66.183.145.149 (talk) 23:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

"Special Antarctic Treaty Consultative Meeting" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Special Antarctic Treaty Consultative Meeting. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Antarctica.CIA.svg (2002) is a severely outdated map

Antarctica.CIA.svg (2002) does not include the 2015's clarification of Norway's territorial claim's southern border, and it does not mark quite a number of more recently-opened permanent research stations (e.g., Belarusian Vechernyaya, Turkish ITÜ PolReC, South Korean Jang Bogo, etc.). What is the point? Territorial claims in Antarctica uses the Antarctica,_territorial_claims.svg map, whereas Antarctica_Station_Map.png is a much better map of stations if needed.--Adûnâi (talk) 16:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Flag of the Antarctic Treaty System

The Flags of Antarctica page, used as the redirect for Flag of the Antarctic Treaty found in the infobox of this article, was recently rewritten by completely removing any mention of the flag of the Antarctic Treaty System from it, along with other flags and their descriptions, while giving a lot more space to the various individuals proposals.

Given this flag's historical significance, I tried to recover the deleted section of the article, expanded it with new sources, in particular on the origin of the emblem from documents dating back to 1961, and temporarily moved it to the Antarctic Treaty issue postage stamp article, since the history and importance in the public consciousnesses of said stamp and its connections to the emblem (and flag) designs are well attested in that article, before any of the proposals were made and even before most flags of the territorial claims were created. (I hope this doesn't break the WP:GA status @Chetsford )

Since the editors of that page keep removing [3] [4] [5] any mention of the Antarctic Treaty System flag, either that page gets moved as something like "proposals for antarctic flags", thereby loosing all the redirects and trans-lingual links, and a new article is made solely for the Antarctic Treaty System flag and the history of its emblem, or the flag gets rightly reintroduced as the de facto most widely recognized, original and officially adopted design for an Antarctic flag, as the old article did and most articles in other language wikis currently do.

Alternatively, the emblem should at least be mentioned visually in that article, or the information about the emblem should remain inside an existing article, like this one or the Antarctic Treaty issue one, as it currently is.

@HapHaxion @Federalwafer

2.38.151.201 (talk) 12:22, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Also mentioning @Chipmunkdavis as editor of this article. 2.38.151.201 (talk) 12:38, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

As of the year 2048

The expression "As of the year 2048" is not precise language. As the phrase where it is used uses the present tense, it can be understood as "In 2048", "Until 2048" or "From 2048 onwards". The latter is correct according to the references. On both occasions, the same editor argued that the expression I replaced it with, "From the year 2048 onwards", is "tautological" and undid my change. A tautology is a redundant statement or a statement that is always true, but neither is the case. Fernando Trebien (talk) 12:15, 16 February 2024 (UTC)