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Conrad Veidt's likeness as the Joker

I added a file (11 KB) of a proposed, fan-made poster for the 2008 Batman film, showing the Joker based on Conrad Veidt's Gwynplaine from the 1928 (1927 ?) film The Man who Laughs.

I do not know who created the picture. Feel free to use it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Veidtasjoker.jpg
Unsigned entry by Haris Aggelopoulos 06:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is The Joker in this film any more based on Gwynplaine than the Joker in the comic books or the Joker in the 1989 Batman film? I don't think anyone knows yet. It might fit in the 2008 Batman film page, but I doubt it. I certainly don't think it fits here. And I would imagine that there might be problems using an uncredited picture like that. SteveCrook 07:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Joker (period; as in: the original comic book character) is based on Conrad Veidt's Gwynplaine. Fans acknowledged that and requesting the Joker as the villain for the upcoming Batman film created this picture. This is not an official poster. I do not know who did the photoshop, but I can't see why he has any copyright over it, since it utilizes the photo of Mr. Veidt in the 1928 film and the likeness of a DC comic book character who was based on the former. If anyone knows who created this picture, pray inform us. --Haris 23:39, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's already a mention on this page that The Joker is based on Gwynplaine. That should be adequate for this page. Anything specific to another movie where Conrad has no direct connection (it's just based on his character), should be on the page for that movie. The copyright for that picture is either with the rights holder of the picture it was based on or whoever did the photoshop work (because they did the extra work). It's a tricky one to work out, even if you find them both. Many lawyers will be made rich discussing it for a long time. -- SteveCrook 01:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it looks like somebody removed the reference to the Joker, so I've readded it, with citation. CatherS (talk) 08:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Joker is not "based on Gwynplaine," only his likeness from the photo. Anyone who's actually seen the movie will know Gwynplaine is a tragic character, mutilated and unloved and constantly in tears, as far away from a supervillain as possible. There's a big difference there, and it's the mistake nearly every single one of these "this guy was the Joker" articles makes. When, again, just watching the movie would prove otherwise. Snowgrouse (talk) 16:36, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, "only" is quite an understatement, because the Joker is probably one of the most famous super villains. Also "a tragic character, mutilated and unloved" quite fits many of the Joker intepretations we have seen in comic or movies. 2.205.21.46 (talk) 13:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality

Connie was German born, but became a British subject. Doesn't Wikipedia protocol require that he be listed as a German born British actor?203.184.41.226 (talk) 08:10, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, should we omit Veidt's nationality in the first sentence and explain it later (as what we've already done to Tina Turner, Elon Musk, Paulina Porizkova, etc.)? There's at least one editor who has expressed their objection to the descriptor "German-born British", and I think it's possible to find wording that is less ambiguous than the current one ("German-British", which was added by me). Thedarkknightli (talk) 12:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about "German and British"? It doesn’t make much sense to remove the nationality altogether when the situation is really not overcomplicated. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 22:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'd argue the word "and", you know, may imply he held dual citizenship, which was unlikely. Thedarkknightli (talk) 16:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"German and, later, British"? I don’t know, I’m just giving possible alternatives. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 16:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to "German, later naturalised British", reprising the wording from the old revision above. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 15:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

War loan

The article states that he both gave and loaned his fortune to the British government. One is incorrect. Which is correct?125.237.105.102 (talk) 04:24, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My hunch is that he simply bought a lot of war bonds, and whichever studio he was signed to - or perhaps his personal agent - spun this into a tale of him giving away his money to the UK government. As it turned out he didn't live to reclaim them, at least not personally. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 17:16, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not Jewish

Someone's categorised him as a Jewish emigrant from Nazi Germany, but I removed this listing as incorrect. He wasn't Jewish, even if his third wife was, and despite him having signed work forms with "Jew" as a way to get back at the Nazis, there's no proof of him ever having converted to Judaism. Snowgrouse (talk) 16:36, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Bisexuality

I feel as if more needs to be said on Veidt's sexuality and his work with Magnus Hirschfeld. It is a shame that his impact on gay history is not touched on here as much as it should be. Parameci (talk) 15:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]